Mountain Lion Very Slow on Mac Pro 3,1 (2008 model)

The Mac Pro 3,1 is supposed to support Mountain Lion, but when I run it, the GPU (ATI Radeon HD 2600 that came with it) makes a constant, loud fan noise as if it is working hard, and all of the graphics lag badly. I've installed all of the updates. Is there some driver problem between the Radeon HD 2600 and Mountain Lion? People on MacRumors said that it works fine on a Mac Pro 3,1 except for one guy who said it was really slow. Snow Leopard runs great on my machine.

First, back up all data immediately, as your boot drive might be failing.
There are a few other possible causes of generalized slow performance that you can rule out easily.
Reset the System Management Controller.
If you have many image or video files on the Desktop with preview icons, move them to another folder.
If applicable, uncheck all boxes in the iCloud preference pane.
Disconnect all non-essential wired peripherals and remove aftermarket expansion cards, if any.
Check your keychains in Keychain Access for excessively duplicated items.
Boot into Recovery mode, launch Disk Utility, and run Repair Disk.
Otherwise, take the steps below when you notice the problem.
Step 1
Launch the Activity Monitor application in any of the following ways:
☞ Enter the first few letters of its name into a Spotlight search. Select it in the results (it should be at the top.)
☞ In the Finder, select Go ▹ Utilities from the menu bar, or press the key combination shift-command-U. The application is in the folder that opens.
☞ Open LaunchPad. Click Utilities, then Activity Monitor in the icon grid.
Select the CPU tab of the Activity Monitor window.
Select All Processes from the menu in the toolbar, if not already selected.
Click the heading of the % CPU column in the process table to sort the entries by CPU usage. You may have to click it twice to get the highest value at the top. What is it, and what is the process? Also post the values for % User, % System, and % Idle at the bottom of the window.
Select the System Memory tab. What values are shown in the bottom part of the window for Page outs and Swap used?
Next, select the Disk Activity tab. Post the approximate values shown for Reads in/sec and Writes out/sec (not Reads in and Writes out.)
Step 2
If you have more than one user account, you must be logged in as an administrator to carry out this step.
Launch the Console application in the same way you launched Activity Monitor. Make sure the title of the Console window is All Messages. If it isn't, select All Messages from the SYSTEM LOG QUERIES menu on the left. If you don't see that menu, select
View ▹ Show Log List
from the menu bar.
Select the 50 or so most recent entries in the log. Copy them to the Clipboard (command-C). Paste into a reply to this message (command-V). You're looking for entries at the end of the log, not at the beginning.
When posting a log extract, be selective. Don't post more than is requested.
Please do not indiscriminately dump thousands of lines from the log into this discussion.
Important: Some personal information, such as your name, may appear in the log. Anonymize before posting. That should be easy to do if your extract is not too long.

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Any one else notice Mountain Lion very slow...feel like I am back on a PC !!! Open files, programs, rebooting, even shutting down takes longer. Am I the only one?

Must have been bad hardware would be my guess. That's the problem with vendors though. Windows really isn't the issue if you have the right hardware. It's like a Mac, really.
The problem is that PC vendors have a tendency to rush their machines out with bad chipsets and a mish-mash of conflicting hardware. Take Vista for example. Besides the fact that it was a resource hog out of the box, there was really nothing wrong with it.
Vendors on the other hand, rushed their PCs out without the proper hardware to run it in order to sell, sell, sell, which is what gave it a bad name. So yeah, people had issues. It also suffered the same issues as Lion and ML right now due to the fact that it wouldn't run on older machines and there was an uproar in the online community--sounds familiar enough to me.
Oddly enough, even macs are running at the same specs as Windows today.
The majority of issues people tend to have is more with their PCs than with Windows and they have a tendency to blame Windows because of this without realising that MS develops software; not hardware (xbox aside). Whereas Apple develops both.
Millenium was terrible though--I won't deny that.
OSX may appear to work better, but that's because everything is designed to work together and we pay a premium for it because of the quality control on the machine. I can't help but feel that Apple takes a little more pride in their machines then PC Vendors do. In fact, Windows probably runs better on my Macbook Pro than it does on my PCs. I use it for very little these days though. I happen to like OSX and I'm addicted to the App Store.
Basically, my whole outlook on the two is that MS is a people pleaser, they try to appeal to everybody and a plethora of PC configurations. It suffers because of this. Apple is a little more arrogant (but in a good way). They stick to their own configurations and don't worry about being everybody's machine. They take pride in their designs and configurations and they succeed because of this. It also allows them to take bolder steps.
Neither is perfect and both have their strengths and weaknesses. Though I feel that Windows is often picked on for the wrong reasons, just as Mac users are often picked on by the PC community. It all boils down to a lack of understanding since Macs don't only appeal to the dumb and Windows does work quite well if you have the right configuration. No insult implied--it's just the common outlook from both communities and it irks me on both sides.

Can't install my Mountain Lion again on my Mac Pro -- help please.

I can't install Mountain Lion again on my Mac Pro: got this message: This copy of the Install OS X Mountain Lion application can't be verified. It may have been corrupted or tampered with during downloading. Delete this copy of the application, and go to apple store ...

Well, the hard disk has been replaced and the Apple people replaced but innstalled the older OS (
X Lion 10.7)! So I tried to reinstall the newer OS which from App Store under Purchases but I had the problem I stated earlier: This copy of the Install OS X Mountain Lion application can't be verified. It may have been corrupted or tampered with during downloading. Delete this copy of the application, and go to apple store ... Hopefully, I can get this fixed! thanks!

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Dear Premiere Pro users,
I am in need of some technical insight, I am in a situation where I cannot afford a Red Rocket or Red Rocket X neither am I in a position to buy a new Mac Pro (as the new one isn't out yet nor can I afford it immediately). But I am about to upgrade my current system to the best of its compatability (I have lots of work coming in soon which has lots of demanding footage such as 2k ProRes4444 and r3d 4k to 5k so I want to be ready) and thus I want to be able to playback (without rendering) at 1/2 resolution at minimum (downsized and downsampled to a temporary 1080p timeline):
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32 GB 800Mhz Crucial RAM ECC
Gigabyte Nvidia GTX 770 OC Edition 4GB VRAM (macvidcards) (I will have a total of 4 screens attached to this card which I'm not certain if it would strain the performance of r3d playback)
Crucial M500 240GB SSD - OS X Boot & Applications Drive (Unfortunately max speed is limited due to Mac Pro 3,1 being SATA II only, though its still good - 250mb/s read 270mb/s write)
3x RAID 0 via DiskUtility Western Digital Black 4TB (12TB total), this I use for storage, cache, auto-save, render, etc. files. - expecting it to be around 250-300mb/s read&write on SATA II.
Tempo SSD Pro with 2x RAID 0 Crucial M500 960GB (1920GB total) - expected to be 960mb/s read and 810mb/s write, this I would just use to actually work off from when accessing the footage in premier pro, once a project is finished, I move it to a regular harddisk drive and wipe for next new project. - Most projects I do are below 2TB, short films, music videos and web commercials.
There are other external drives, hardware, etc. which are irrelavant to this query.
My questions are:
Will ProRes and especially R3D playback performance be improved by these specs and usage? Or should I look into anything else, such as an extra GPU (if Premiere Pro would smartly use it?). Also what are the comparison on playback between ProRes and R3D precisely, whats the hardware that matters most for each codec? - If you have any of this hardware please share me your experience with them.
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Pro Res will play fine with that configuration including likely the 4K version. However R3D requires the most CPU threads and will push that system beyond what the CPU's can handle for 1/2 resolution most likely especially if you get beyond 1 layer. You are likely going to have to drop to 1/4 resolution to get the playback you want without rendering if you cannot get the Red Rocket card. Either that or wait for Red to get the debayering GPU accelerated and hope that will get added to Premiere at some point.
Eric
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Is there any thing i can do to install mountain lion on my early mac pro

is there any thing i can do to be able to install mountain lion on my early mac pro

This is in no way official but you might like to have a look here:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1325709

HT1338 Has anyone successfully installed Windows XP Mode and Windows Virtual PC software inside Windows 7 Pro inside Parallels 8 inside Mountain Lion running on a Mac Pro built in 2013?

I wanted to ask if anyone using a Mac Pro running Mountain Lion, Parallels 8, and Windows 7 Pro could run XP Mode?
My experience has not been encouraging in that I progress to the end of the final mile, that is configuring XP Mode for first use, then an error message appears saying I should try again, that is I should attempt to configure XP Mode again for the first time use. An endless loop, with no visibility into the nature of my configuration failure.
I understand my problem is a narrowly focused, microsoft-centric issue, however, I would imagine this XP behavioral Mode running inside Windows 7 Pro is a common goal for many users, so I thought this question was reasonable to ask our group.
Please advise, and thank you.

Hello FatMac,
I wanted to let you know that your "requires a patch" feedback looked--at first--like the piece of the puzzle I was missing. Turned out, however, when I downloaded the 64 bit version of the patch, then attempted to install it under Windows 7 Pro, my installation was first searched, then my patch installation returned a message saying this patch was not applicable to my system. (BTW:my Windows 7 install is 64 bit) This failure to install surprised me because, based on an earlier evaluation for hardware virturalization support, my MacPro does not have virturalization hardware support. I mean, based on this no hardware support feedback, and based on the nature of this patch, it looked as if the patch should install and set my problem right.
Nevertheless, the patch won't install, and I don't know a way to query or coerce it. I'm approaching the point of diminishing returns with this problem. I have two applications (Adobe Illustrator 10 and Framemaker 7.0) which will run, but they don't behave properly, under Windows 7. BTW: I did make somewhat extensive use of the Windows compatibility tool early on, but nevertheless, FrameMaker 7 simply quits at the worst possible moment, and Illustrator 10 graphics are very often blank black areas where pallettes should be.
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Were it not for Illustrator and FrameMaker, I would not have taken us down this dark road.
So long for now, and hope to talk to you all again soon...

Mountain lion very slow

I just installed the mountain lion on my macbook pro, lion had before, the team made me very slow, when I play youtube or videos the videos are cut. The i7 processor and 4g memory I have. Believe it should work fine.

First, back up all data immediately, as your boot drive might be failing.
There are a few other possible causes of generalized slow performance that you can rule out easily.
If you have many image or video files on the Desktop with preview icons, move them to another folder.
If applicable, uncheck all boxes in the iCloud preference pane.
Disconnect all non-essential wired peripherals and remove aftermarket expansion cards, if any.
Otherwise, take the steps below when you notice the slowdown.
Step 1
Launch the Activity Monitor application in any of the following ways:
☞ Enter the first few letters of its name into a Spotlight search. Select it in the results (it should be at the top.)
☞ In the Finder, select Go ▹ Utilities from the menu bar, or press the key combination shift-command-U. The application is in the folder that opens.
☞ Open LaunchPad. Click Utilities, then Activity Monitor in the icon grid.
Select the CPU tab of the Activity Monitor window.
Select All Processes from the menu in the toolbar, if not already selected.
Click the heading of the % CPU column in the process table to sort the entries by CPU usage. You may have to click it twice to get the highest value at the top. What is it, and what is the process? Also post the values for % User, % System, and % Idle at the bottom of the window.
Select the System Memory tab. What values are shown in the bottom part of the window for Page outs and Swap used?
Next, select the Disk Activity tab. Post the approximate values shown for Reads in/sec and Writes out/sec (not Reads in and Writes out.)
Step 2
If you have more than one user account, you must be logged in as an administrator to carry out this step.
Launch the Console application in the same way you launched Activity Monitor. Make sure the title of the Console window is All Messages. If it isn't, select All Messages from the SYSTEM LOG QUERIES menu on the left.
Select the 50 or so most recent entries in the log. Copy them to the Clipboard (command-C). Paste into a reply to this message (command-V). You're looking for entries at the end of the log, not at the beginning.
When posting a log extract, be selective. Don't post more than is requested.
Please do not indiscriminately dump thousands of lines from the log into this discussion.
Important: Some personal information, such as your name, may appear in the log. Anonymize before posting. That should be easy to do if your extract is not too long.

Why is Mountain Lion not available for Mac Pro 2007???

Why is Mountain Lion not available for Macpro 2007 eventhough this computer is not having old generation hardware like of 15years ago's computers!! I am surprised to know about that. when this mac pro have 2 xeon processor, 8GB ram, OS 10.7.5 (Lion) etc etc. so why is this not compatible for mountain lion???
Very Sad for us - the buyer of so costly Macpro ....
so does the Apple want to say we should buy or upgrade our purchased costly apple products every 5 years ??!!

This is a user forum. We are all users like yourself. Conjecture about Apple's products is not appropriate discussion in these forums.

Data transfer very slow on mac pro!! mac H/W unable to fit specifications.

Hi,
I am installinginternal disks on the quad mac pro and the transfer ratet in the mac are very slow!!!
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According to seagate.com the maximum sustained data transfer rate:78MB/s
but in the mac the reallity is different: I am getting a transfer rate of 22MB/sec!!!!! . with out any application running and only making copy of the files!!!!
that means that the mac is only providing only 1/3 of the expected transfer rate for the disks..
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Is the Quad MAC Pro hardware unable to get the maximum throughput of the disks???
It seems that the mac is unable to get also the average transfer rate of those disks.. how to correct it???
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ps. just for fun: I am getting a faster transfer rate from an old power pc ,and old pc, and firewire 400 and old ide disks!!! (36MB/seg!!!)

Yup.
BThe latest Mac Pro are better, so if you have a new or 2 month old unit, Seagate should work, though I think there should be later firmware.
Some would say those drives take the cake or woRSe.
http://www.barefeats.com/hard91.html
SEAGATE PUZZLES
+Firmware version 3.AEE or later solves the slow sustained large block write speed issue for a single 7200.10 inside the Mac Pro.+
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+Until Seagate fixes this, we can't recommend the 7200.10 series as the ideal boot drive for the Mac Pro (or Power Mac).+
http://www.barefeats.com/quad08.html

Mountain Lion extremly slow on Macbook Pro

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After Upgrading everything runs so slow. every app is very slow. I have deleted apps I dont need, Ran a disk Utility verify and repair, turned off all notifications.
reset memory by holding down apple, function p and r keys.
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Look at Thomas A Reed's Understanding Upgrade Nightmares article http://www.reedcorner.net/understanding-upgrade-nightmares/ and make sure all apps are compatible with Mountain Lion by using www.roaringapps.com. Using both of these you should be able to diagnose your individual problem and get i fixed.

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Obviously came with Mavericks, but would like to know if it's possible to run 10.8.
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mrala wrote:
While that is typically the case, I've noticed the new MacBook Air and Mac Mini will allow you to install Mountain Lion
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Mountain Lion install crash on Mac Pro

Hi,
Just started the install on my Early 2008 Mac Pro and it's completely crashed the system. The app downloaded fine and ran OK in 10.7 doing the setup and then tried to reboot. As soon as it rebooted I get a Kernel Panic and the 'Please Power Off your System'.
I've managed to get into Recovery Mode and am going to restore from Time Machine and try again but has anyone else had this?
There were no warnings or errors before the kernel panic at all.......
Thanks,

This worked for me....
Restart
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After this, the computer will flash and reboot again and should boot into the Mountain Lion Installer.
Good luck.

Why is mountain lion incompatible with my mac pro?

The app store says that Mountain Lion is incompatible. Not sure why. I have 2 x 2.66 GHz Dual Core Intel Xeon processors. I have 8 GB of memory free and over 800 GB of storage free. Can someone explain?
Thanks,
Jim

Paul Kahn wrote:
Mine doesnt show what month / year it built. How can I find it?
If you're running Lion, it should, where my iMac shows it's an early 2009 design:
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Very Slow New Mac Pro

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Opening an app takes several seconds. I have seen my friends Macs and they have almost instant opening of apps and all. It seems awfully slow to me.
Also I noticed that RAM is constantly on 3.98 or so, and many times there is only a few MB available. Who is using all the mem?
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The warranty entitles you to complimentary phone support for the first 90 days of ownership.
If you bought the product in the U.S. directly from Apple (not from a reseller), you have 14 days from the date of delivery in which to exchange or return it for a refund. In other countries, the return policy may be different. If you bought from a reseller, its return policy applies.

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I have a very new mac pro that can't seem to run aperture at a usable speed at all. My 4 year old G5 was able to run it faster, using the same library. When I move between pictures, or even try and change rating, the whole computer comes to a halt and I can't do or click on anything. After about 10 - 30 seconds I can start working again. This is the same with just about any feature in aperture. I have checked the task list and it is empty. This is running with the library on the boot drive and on a secondary drive. The performance is the same. Any ideas??

Library size does matter, and Aperture doesn't handle big libraries well when it comes to speed. It shouldn't matter but it does.
My own library is around 65k images and growing rapidly. If I was to have all these images on one drive, or a RAID, and perform a search of an image with spotlight, I would get results in only a few seconds, with Aperture it's like pulling your hair out and is very painful to perform a search.
If I wanted to search my entire album I must be prepared to watch the spinning beach ball for quite a few minutes, and every click or keyboard type takes another few minutes. I don't know why this is, or why the finder runs rings around Aperture, even iView can perform a whole library search in a matter of seconds.
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I really hope that the engineers work on this issue for version 2, and also come up with a better captioning window than is currently in use. I use PhotoMechanic to caption everything before it even touched Aperture, which makes Apple's programme by post-event workflow rather than my live workflow. An IPTC window such as PhotoMechanic's would be very welcome. If anyone else agrees please add it to the feedback page.
Anyway, back to the performance. Certain operations, even with plenty of RAM and a good graphics card, can lead to almost snail like performance with large Aperture libraries. I doubt an Octo-Mac (as I like to call them), or even a 50-core Mac with 60Gb RAM and a 20GB video card would make any difference. The application needs updating in that respect.

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