MPEG DVD Pal Widescreen at 1.458 PAR, what were Adobe Thinking?

Okay apart from the fact that Adobe wanted to stiff me for another £999 to upgrade from the CS3 Production Premium suite to CS5.5, my first HDV project on the new system messed up; and I thought I was moving forward (apart from my bank balance) phew got that off my chest. Whichever way you look at this and no matter how many technicians tell us otherwise, DVD players, You Tube, Vimeo, well the world really have been happy using a PAR of 1.422222 for PAL Widescreen and now Adobe are using 1.458 the "correct" PAR for the BBC apparently having read previous threads (well yippee da). This doesn't help me uploading my videos for a client to You Tube, Vimeo or a DVD and having black bars either side, they couldn't care less whether it is the correct standard for the BBC or not they just want their footage to look like everyone else's. What are you playing at Adobe, just give us another option in Media Encoder to export the same way we have been happy doing for years and stop rolling over for the BBC. Incidentally I upload MPEG2 DVD to You Tube and have been getting good results so that is why I am using MPEG2 for You Tube and Vimeo (but I'm sure someone will now give me a good reason not to). I have been fighting Adobe's (and Window's) corner for the last god knows how many years while the Mac crew have been tempting me with that alluring mistress FCP, more stable audio and better colour resolution. Adobe sort this out we've had enough of this nonsense, what is it with big companies they become god like in their sheer arrogance, give us what we want and stop toying with your minions. This really hacks me off.

I understand the frustration that your tone implies, but you've run off the tracks here.
The computer world uses square pixels. Vimeo, YouTube, etc. When people upload anything but square to those services, the resulting picture is distorted, as it's displayed in square pixels. And I see a lot of distorted videos on YouTube.
http://support.google.com/youtube/bin/static.py?hl=en&guide=1728585&page=guide.cs
I'm fairly certain that if you upload an MPEG2 to YouTube, they're going to recompress it to FLV or MP4 for you. It's not one of their "supported formats." So, I wouldn't be surprised if they muck it up.
£999 to go from CS3 to CS5.5. sounds like a pretty good deal to me... that's a three version jump. I also believe Adobe has become more responsive to customer input in the past few years, and not just "rolling over" for big clients. But, those are opinions.
Mitchell Remes wrote:
Okay apart from the fact that Adobe wanted to stiff me for another £999 to upgrade from the CS3 Production Premium suite to CS5.5, my first HDV project on the new system messed up; and I thought I was moving forward (apart from my bank balance) phew got that off my chest. Whichever way you look at this and no matter how many technicians tell us otherwise, DVD players, You Tube, Vimeo, well the world really have been happy using a PAR of 1.422222 for PAL Widescreen and now Adobe are using 1.458 the "correct" PAR for the BBC apparently having read previous threads (well yippee da). This doesn't help me uploading my videos for a client to You Tube, Vimeo or a DVD and having black bars either side, they couldn't care less whether it is the correct standard for the BBC or not they just want their footage to look like everyone else's. What are you playing at Adobe, just give us another option in Media Encoder to export the same way we have been happy doing for years and stop rolling over for the BBC. Incidentally I upload MPEG2 DVD to You Tube and have been getting good results so that is why I am using MPEG2 for You Tube and Vimeo (but I'm sure someone will now give me a good reason not to). I have been fighting Adobe's (and Window's) corner for the last god knows how many years while the Mac crew have been tempting me with that alluring mistress FCP, more stable audio and better colour resolution. Adobe sort this out we've had enough of this nonsense, what is it with big companies they become god like in their sheer arrogance, give us what we want and stop toying with your minions. This really hacks me off.

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