MSI K8n Neo Platinum

Hi Guys,
I am having a problem with my computer at the moment. I am having trouble getting into the BIOS of this motherboard (MSI K8N Neo Platinum). When I try to get into BIOS, it goes into a black screen with a little line on top of it and its blinking. This has never happened before. Then when I shut off my computer since I couldn't get into the bios, I turned it back on and it goes on but nothing goes to screen or it wont boot up to startup screen. Then I turn it off, I reset the BIOS and turn it back on. Now it boots up to the startup screen, but when it says press del to get into bios, I pressed that and it happens again, it will not get into bios. When I do this over again by resetting the bios, this time without getting into BIOS, it goes on and boots up to Windows XP. I want to reformat my hard drive with a fresh copy of XP Pro, but I can't get into BIOS to do that. Can someone help me?

Same thing happened to me today. Thanks MSI for publishing a Betaversion of a BIOSupgrade on the Live update..
At first I figured that there must have been some fault during the BIOSflash so I downloaded the file again and repeated procedure. This time it worked like a charm and I could do all my BIOS-settings. The next restart the problem was back again though, and this time I had swapped the order for my SATA-drives to boot (to the way they should) but the system couldn't boot. So I couldn't enter neither the bios or Windows. Luckily you can shift the primary boot device by pressing F11 though, so I got out of the libido...
Now I've downloaded the old 1.9 Version instead and I sure as h*** won't do any more beta-testing for MSI by using the Live Update anymore!

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*UPDATED 7/15/04* Complete guide to bioses, drivers, and needed files for the MSI K8N Neo Platinum

Complete newbie's guide to bioses, drivers, and needed files for the MSI K8N Neo Platinum:
Last Updated: Thursday July 15th, 2004
Bioses:
(In order of date released.)
1.1b3 - (Download)
- Pre-1.1, given to reviewers to use in their reviews and benchmarks.
- Less stable, but supposedly you get slightly better overclocks.
1.1 Official - (Download)
1. This is AWARD BIOS release
2. This BIOS fixes the following problems of the previous version:
- Memory always run DDR 200 when install single side DDR on DIMM2 & DIMM3.
- Windows 2000 can't format the RAID IDE HDD when plug in Promise 378 controller.
1.2b5 - (Download)
1.2b7 - (No Download Yet)
1.2b10 - (Download)
- First attempt to fix false temperature readings. Fixes it for some people with Newcastle cores and doesn't fix it for anybody with Clawhammer cores.
1.2b12 - (Download)
- Second attempt to fix false temperature readings. Fixes it for some people with Newcastle cores and some people with Clawhammer cores.
1.3b1 - (Download)
- Another attempt to fix temperature problems?
- Possibly fixes cold boot/power light issues?
1.2 Official - (Download)
1. This is AWARD BIOS release
2. This BIOS fixes the following problems of the previous version:
- System can't resume from S3 sometimes when install USB device.
- Support K8 Sempron CPU.
- Turn off keyboard LED in S3.
--Quick Guide for flashing BIOS, provided by MSI--
1. Create a MS-DOS boot diskette, then copy the the .exe and the bios file to the floppy disk. Both of these files can be found in the package you downloaded.
2. Press "Delete" and go to BIOS setup while computer bootup.
Check BIOS advanced features and see if BIOS flash write control is enabled
(This option must be enabled. If you can not find this setting, it means the BIOS can be
flashed.)
3. Boot from MS-DOS boot diskette and get a:\> prompt.
4. Type "", then press ENTER
5. The flash program will then ask "Do you want to save BIOS?", please press "N" for no. The when you see Press 'Y' to program or 'N' to Exit, please press "Y" to continue.
6. After flashing complete, remove floppy and reset the system .
7. Press DELETE or F1 when prompted at first reboot after flashing.
8. Load BIOS optimized defaults, then save settings and exits.
Drivers & Needed Files:
(Note: All these drivers are for Windows XP.)
Leaked Nvidia nForce3 Chipset Drivers Version 4.40
(Please use at your own risk, these are LEAKED drivers. Password for the .zip file is "ocworkbench rules". Also, you will need to rename the WinXP_2K folder in IDE to either WinXP or Win2K else the installer doesn't pick it up.) Thanks for the link Wonkanoby!
*NEW* Leaked Nvidia nForce3 Chipset Drivers Version 5.03
More leaked drivers? Seems some parts of the drivers are older and some are newer.
1. Windows XP Service Pack 1A (Web Install) -or- Windows XP Service Pack 1A (Full Install)
2. Microsoft DirectX 9.0b (Web Install) -or- Microsoft DirectX 9.0b (Full Install)
3. Nvidia nForce3 Chipset Drivers Version 4.24
4. AMD Athlon 64 Processor Driver Version 1.1.0.14
5. Nvidia Video Card Driver Version 56.72 -or- Omega Nvidia Video Card Driver Version v1.5303
(The Omega drivers are third party drivers optimized for gaming, most prefer these over the standard Nvidia drivers.)
5. ATI Video Card Driver Version 4.7 -or- Omega ATI Video Card Driver Version 2.5.51
(The Omega drivers are third party drivers optimized for gaming, most prefer these over the standard ATI drivers.)
6. Onboard Sound Driver (Realtek AC'97 Audio Codec) Version A3.61
It is HIGHLY reccomended that you install the drivers/needed files in the order listed above. Please note that there are two #5's because you either install one or the other depending on your video card, do not install both of them.
You will come across a problem here though. You can't install the chipset drivers without installing the Windows service pack and DirectX first, but the Windows service pack and DirectX installs need the internet to download files and you won't have working internet until you install the chipset drivers. Here's what I did to get around this. Instead of downloading the web install versions of Windows service pack and DirectX, download the full version and and put them along with all the other drivers on a backup hard drive or burn them to a CD, this way you will have all the drivers you need when it's time to install them and none of them will require the internet to download files.
Another note when installing drivers. Apparently the Nvidia chipset drivers also come with drivers for the onboard sound, but people seem to agree that the Realtek onboard sound drivers are better. When you are installing the Nvidia chipset drivers, just be sure to uncheck the box for sound drivers when it asks you which drivers you would like to install. Now you can safely install the Realtek drivers without any chance of conflicting sound drivers. Thanks for the tip Wonkanoby!

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Originally posted by Deviation56
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Originally posted by RLiu818
You CAN install the nforce drivers BEFORE installing SP1. The only requirement to install the nforce drivers is DX9.
So is SP1 still recommended to install before the nforce drivers?
The installer still reccomends to install it beforehand for full USB 2.0 functionality... I would have put what you said in there but I wanted to keep it as simple as possible.
oh. IIRC the installer just says USB 2.0 will be fully functional after SP1 is installed. So after you install SP1 you go into device manager and u click update driver and it will auto search and update the driver.
Simplicity-wise, i guess its pretty much equal. It might take less preparation to just copy DX9 full onto a CD and install that first, then nforce driver, then right away you have yoru internet connection.
but i dunno.. i guess i will try it your way this time when my RMA"d board comes.
i will be fomratting and doing a fresh install later on today and will let you know if i come across any problems

"error loading operating system MSI K8n Neo platinum

OK,
System will post, according to MSI Website I have the latest Bios version.
I can boot from CD.
The only odd item is that I am using the HD that I took out of my old computer with windows already on it.
Tried re-installing windows XP. It went through the loading process and then rebooted. Same error message appears.
Also, is 48 degrees normal for idle temp on CPU AMD 64 3400? 36 degrees NB temp ok?
Oh, yeah, I have a floppy installed, CD-ROM, CD RW, all non SATA. Using IDE cables.
Video is Asus V9980 ultra GeForce FX 5950.
MSI K8N Neo Platinum
AMD 64 3400
Hercules 600 W PSU
WD 80gb HD
Generic CD-Rom
Sony Cd-RW
2 x 512 crucial 400 ddram slosts 1 and 2
Asus V9980 ultra GeForce FX 5950 256 TVD
Do I need to clear bios and re-start?
HD is on it's own cable in IDE 1
Cds on IDE 2 shared.
let me know what you think.
The other related posts I read, people were using raid or multiple OS. I'm not.

I had the same issues as you sometimes Windows would install and sometimes it wouldn't the problem was related to ram. I had my ram in slots one and two like you did and I moved the ram to slots 1 and 3 and now the machine is rock solid stable.
I think most of the problems people are having are actually more ram related than anything else.
So try moving the stick of ram you have in slot 2 to slot 3 and see if this solves your problem. This solution is on forums somewhere I am just not sure where.
Take care,
Bob

MSI K8N NEO Platinum Edition memory question

Hi there,
I've currently got a MSI K8N NEO Platinum Edition (Nforce 3) motherboard and 2X 512 MB Corsair Value Select memory modules (both double sided) running at DDR 400 - this runs completely stable and has done for a number of months. I would like to increase my memory to 1.5 Gig but there seems to be a lot of issues?
I originally planned to buy an additional 512 Meg Corsair value select chip and place it in Bank 3 - is this acceptable?
I assue that i would have to drop the speed down to DDR 333 from 400, could anyone tell me how much of a difference this actually makes (when playing FPS games Doom3 etc..) ?
Any help would be greatly appreciated as i've been looking through both this forum and the Corsair one and i cant seem to find the answer.
thanks in advance !

Just note that there are combinations of two sticks that will also make the board run in DDR333 mode (see page 2-8 of the manual). For example, using two double-sided sticks in DIMM2 and DIMM3. I've actually managed to get it to work at DDR400 in those two slots, but it's not perfectly stable and overclocking diminishes drastically. Bottom line is the system will work fine when forced to DDR333...as long as you don't expect to overclock the RAM to any significant degree.

Problems with 64 3200+ on MSI k8n neo platinum.

AMD Athlon64 Newcastle 3200+ AX 2200MHz/2.2GHz 512kb Boxed (with cpu-cooler!) Socket754
MSI K8N Neo Platinum nForce3 250Gb 3DDR-DIMM 5PCI SATA Raid Audio GB-LAN Firewire Socket754 ATX
Kingston KVR400X64C3A/512 512Mb DDR PC3200 400MHz 184pin Unbuffered CL3
Okey here it comes..
I installed everything and all seemed to work okey, until i threw in the XP install cd and began my install..
in the dos install of windows xp, (when it moves files to the hdd) it stopped and said that there was a problem with a file that were to be copied, i pressed enter to try again and the install moves on, this accurs 4-5 times and then it gives me a BIG "IRQL less or not equal".. Blue screen of death.. (it complains on different files each time i try to install xp, tried 15-20 times)
I have tried to change memory to another Kingston KVR400X64C3A/512 512Mb DDR PC3200 400MHz 184pin Unbuffered CL3 with no luck,
changed hdd, change gfx-card. change psu, removed all no-need pci-cards..
but still same error, i aint no expert so i might have missed something in bios or something :(
please help me if you can..

Flashing bios with memory errors is a veeeeery bad idea .
Almost guarantied to ruin your bios chip with bad data block.
That this even is suggested with mem errors , well .
You need to resolve the mem errors before doing anything else.
The windows xp install routine is a very heavy user of cpu and memory
and will fail if you have mem errors like you have.
Some things to try is entering bios and change auto settings on cpu voltage
giving it 0.5v more than default .
Set the memorys voltage to vendors max approved voltage
which for yours is 2.6v +/- 0.1v . So it's safe to set at 2.7v .
Set timings to cas 3 ,ras 3 ,trp 3 , tras 8 , CMD 2T.
Pushing it firmly down in the dimm socket , sometimes it's not all the way down there even if the plastic lockers snap in.
Disconnect all devices not needed for a windows install ,things can be added later.
Have only the hd that os is to be installed to , one cdrom , floppy , memory and
gfx card .
Disconnect USB case front connector (cause corruption and strange faults if
USBOC pin is connected)

Help with MSI K8N Neo Platinum

HELP please- motherboard MSI K8N Neo PLATINUM: I tried to take away the backplate for the heatsink (on the back side of MB) in order to install the zalman HS beafore i read the forum (use a fan...) and the worst of all happend:
I scratched the back surface!! the scratches are minor, that is 4 scratches half a milimeter long each and not deep but i can see the copper of some lines leading from the memory slots to the processr. My question is : can I try and build the computer on that motherboard anyway or better buy a new one? is there a risk of dammaging other components? oh god what a mistake!

Make sure the new backplate is non-conductive. The backplate for the Hyper 6 has a non-conductive sticker on it. Make sure to keep it on if youve got one... If the lines are exposed even with the back-plate on perhaps you should cover them with some non-conductive (100% non conductive!) tape or something.
Then it doesnt matter if they are exposed, as long as they are ok.
A good tip, which got when i was removing my backplate, is to use a blow dryer to heat it up and the remove it with your fingers. That way youll also notice if it gets to hot
The glue gets sticky at blow drier temps. And pls, dont singe the MB with your blow dryer, you only have to make it hot, and if you cant touch it, how can you remove it with your fingers?
I guess theres no way of telling if you have a serious prob and no way to tell if your cpu will be ok. I guess you could (?) try and start it wíthout anything (cpu, mems) but a PSU, and then, if it (and maybe the PSU) goes "!Pfsssssss!" or "bang!", youll now you will have to replace it.
I put a screwdriver through an asus board once, and it still worked...

MSI K8N NEO Platinum Edition PROBLEM

Hi (my english is not good sorry for that)
I just got my new computer:
MSI K8N NEO Platinum Edition
AMD Athlon64 3200+
Western Digital Caviar 160Gb
PNY Verto GeForce 6800Ultra 256Mb
1GB Value Select pc3200
Levicom 500W
The Problem is that when i start the computer, it boot and die directly no bootscreen what so ever, it boot and die. i dont know what to do plz help me

Make sure you have Both the ATX Wires on.. theres the Big one! (21Pins i think).. and the Small 4Pin Connector both need to be connected.. if you havent done so yet.. Another thing you could do is Take everything out and place it on a cardboard or something appropriate for the mobo.... I think your motherboard is shorting?.. if it's touching your case.. I had somewhat the same issue long time ago.. give it a try..if you want hope it helps..

MSI K8N-NEO-PLATINUM nForce3 250 + Corsair vs.

Hi, I'm thinking of buying a new computer with a MSI motherboard and now thinking if these will correct and have no direct problems, MSI K8N-NEO-PLATINUM nForce3 250GB + Corsair VS512MB400 Value Select 512Mb DDR PC3200 400MHz 184pin Unbuffered CL2.5. I'm not the guy who is intresserd in overclocking and such things.
Will that motherboard and memory correct good with each other ?
Sorry for my bad english. :D
//Johan
EDIT: I think I made this topic in the wrong forum. Mods move it to AMD64 nVidia Based board ?

MakubeX,
I have the Antec True Power 480. Unfortunately it only has 22 or 23 amps (the specs and the label on the psu have different ratings ) on the +12V rail. Most of the folks here recommend a power supply with at least 24 amps.
The good news is that the system in my sig is working flawlessly so the extra 1 or 2 amps don't seem to make a big difference, at least in my case. I will say, however, that according to Core Center my +12V rail runs around 11.5 volts, which is low and nearly out of ATX sepc. The low voltage will result in higher amperage draw...but again, the system is stable.
I wish you good luck

MSI K8N Neo Platinum and hyperttransport

Can someone please explain to me how MSI K8N Neo Platinum uses hypertransport? What is the option in the bios for hypertransport used for? What is it's advantages/disadvantages?

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Originally posted by Ludic
4 is the multiplier of the Front Side Bus frequency, default of 200MHz.
4 * 200MHz = 800MHz
Since this is a bi-directional bus (like DDR memory) this 800 gets multiplied by 2.
2 * 800MHz = 1600MHz or 1.6GHz
I'm sure you've seen AMD advertise a 1600MHz HyperTransport in response to Intel's 800MHz FSB.
To my knowledge, you can't use the 5x multiplier in Socket 754 (unless you underclock the Front Side Bus?)
The 5x will be available on Socket 939.
Ah. That's very enlightening. Thanks for the info.

MSI K8N Neo Platinum and DTR

Heya fellas,
I was wondering if anyone know whether or not the new MSI K8N Neo Platinum will have support for the AMD Athlon 3200+ DTR chip? I know some boards have had trouble with them and I'm hoping that this one, since its a new reviision, will conflict with it.
Thanks,
-Ish-

If that's the "Newcastle" version of the 3200+, it is supposed to work!

MSI K8N Neo Platinum | system freezes!

Hi,
I recently bougt a MSI K8N Neo Platinum and an A64 3200+ Clawhammer Boxed. I was looking forward to low temperatures and a stabile motherboard, but I haven´t been that blessed yet. During random cpu loads, I get system hang-ups. Wether it´s running iTunes, CS, Sisoft Sandra, FarCry or nothing at all, the system sometimes stops responding.
I´ve updated to 1.2 BIOS, and I´ve downloaded the unofficial 1.33 BIOS from this forum , haven´t tried it yet, though.
MSI Corecenter tells med that the CPU temp gets above 55 degrees under full load. Atually, I had up to 70 degrees until I installed a third case fan. But the sys temp reports from 45 to 50 degrees. And I guess this is the little "MSI"-marked heatsink´s fault. It gets burning hot.
Could the system temp be the cause of my hang-ups?
Hoping for tips and possible solutions.
Btw, sorry for my norwegian-english

Hi,
I recently bougt a MSI K8N Neo Platinum and an A64 3200+ Clawhammer Boxed. I was looking forward to low temperatures and a stabile motherboard, but I haven´t been that blessed yet. During random cpu loads, I get system hang-ups. Wether it´s running iTunes, CS, Sisoft Sandra, FarCry or nothing at all, the system sometimes stops responding.
I´ve updated to 1.2 BIOS, and I´ve downloaded the unofficial 1.33 BIOS from this forum , haven´t tried it yet, though.
MSI Corecenter tells med that the CPU temp gets above 55 degrees under full load. Atually, I had up to 70 degrees until I installed a third case fan. But the sys temp reports from 45 to 50 degrees. And I guess this is the little "MSI"-marked heatsink´s fault. It gets burning hot.
Could the system temp be the cause of my hang-ups?
Hoping for tips and possible solutions.
Btw, sorry for my norwegian-english

MSI K8N NEO Platinum Edition Low Benchmark scores

Hi, can someone please help?
I have these details of my friends new PC :
MSI K8N NEO Platinum Edition
AMD Athlon 64 3200+ 2.2 GHz Socket 754, 512 KB cache
Corsair Value S. PC3200 DDR-DIMM 512MB
I have run a sandra memory bandwidth test on it and I think he gets really low scores for his spec.
int buff'd 2657
float buff'd 2656
This is the scores he gets un tweaked and not overclocked. Do these sound like reasonable out of the box scores??
Any information would be appreciated

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Originally posted by tritium4ever
Who cares, Sandra is a completely synthetic benchmark with absolutely no relevance to real world performance. Don't believe me? Put a 3.0C up against a 3000+ S754 with the memory bandwidth benchmark. The 3.0C will own, but the 3000+ will perform better in most real world apps. Bottom line: don't sweat the Sandra results.
not 100% true either beacuse if you then run encoding apps etc which are mem bandwidth dependant the 3C would own. it is not true to say they are not real world results, just games and most apps dont bottleneck on the mem bandwidth.....now that is will be different on 64-bit coding but of course the A64 would still own the 3C on them.
just for the record i would never buy an intel.

MSI K8N Neo platinum sound prob

Hi!!
I got myself a MSI K8N Neo platinum...
every 20 secondz my music hangz...
why? don't ask me.
any answers? and when my music hangs I have a look at the ctrl+alt+delete menu and I see that my cpu load goes to 46 percent when the music stops...
help...
cheerz Xyus!!

Hi!!
I got myself a MSI K8N Neo platinum...
every 20 secondz my music hangz...
why? don't ask me.
any answers? and when my music hangs I have a look at the ctrl+alt+delete menu and I see that my cpu load goes to 46 percent when the music stops...
help...
cheerz Xyus!!

MSI K8N Neo Platinum & Crucial Ballistix 512MB RAM Problem

I have had MSI K8N Neo Platinum and 1x Crucial Ballistix 512MB RAM for 11 months.
I have had 1x Crucial Ballistix 512MB RAM for 2.5 months, for a total of two.
I have had MSI GeForce 6600GT (NX6600GT-VTD) 128MB AGP for 1 month.
For about 1.5 to 2 weeks, I have been seeing random crashes while playing PC games.
I started a thread on the Hard OCP forums a few days ago. I did not know MSI had forums =)
Rather than re-typing, I may as well just post the link:
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=934956
My issue is also similar to this one:
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=83799.0
Thanks for the help.

ALL RIGHT, after almost FOUR months my issue is FINALLY resolved.
It is amazing how much time passes when you are hesitant to buy parts unless you are 95% sure it will fix the problem.
OK, here is an update as to what I remember.
I went to BIOS 1.4 and tried many different physical and BIOS RAM configurations (Different seating, different number of DIMMs, different RAM timings, voltages, etc).
I concluded that I could not make my PC 100% stable, but I could get it darn close. With certain settings, such as DDR400, 2-2-2-6, 1T, 2.80V, Aggressive Timing enabled, Memtest failed test #5 every time (this is spec for my RAM). With other settings, such as DDR333, 2.5-3-3-7, 2T, Auto V, Aggressive Timing enabled, Memtest failed test #5 maybe once out of 5000.
I also concluded that the RAM voltage and Aggressive Timing setting was having a big impact. Some settings would not work (failed Memtest) with RAM at 2.80V but would work with RAM at Auto V. Some settings would not work (failed Memtest) with Aggressive Timing enabled but would work with it disabled.
Finally, I started to occasionally get R,G,R,G (Processor Initialization) on the D-Bracket upon cold-start & warm-start, which suggests a PSU issue:
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=76972.msg542545#msg542545
That pushed me over the top, and I decided to buy a new PSU (TG-480-U22) and a new SATA HDD (WD2500KS) just because.
Problem solved. Thanks for all the help.
I will continue to buy MSI in the future just because of these forums…and a good product of course!

MSI K8N Neo Platinum - CPU Cooler?

Hi there, this is my first post to the forum and hope that someone can help
Bascially I've just purchased a MSI K8N Neo Platinum mobo to use with an AMD 64 2800.
I'm wondering if I should use the stock CPU cooler or look to purchasing a cooler such as a Zalman? I want to keep the computer as quiet as possible.
I've recently read that it would be better to use the Cool and Quiet option with the stock CPU cooler instead?

Chris,
If you don't mind a used one, there are probably about a hundred thousand available ones from people in these forums who has upgraded their heatsinks, and that's about everyone
The problem is, we dont want to give them up. We bought the retail package with fan not because of the free heatsink/fan, but because of the 3 year warranty that you only get with said combo. To invoke the warranty, we'd have to return everything, including the heatsink/fan, so we hang on to it and let it collect dust.
So, for an aftermarket fan. If you don't plan to overclock, ever, the thermaltake silent boost K8 will do, although it is nowhere NEAR the 21dB that tt claims. They are known for shall we say, exaggerated claims. But it's certainly quieter than the stock HSF, and it's available everywhere.
Note that the "silent boost k8" is different from the "silent boost". The latter is for socket 462 I think.

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