Multiclip - stacking collapsed multiclips?

Some very tricky footage. 12 cameras too much to handle on this system. I broke it into three separate multi-clips. I'm going to edit each separately.
If I collapse these three multiclips, can I take the collapsed results and combine them to make a NEW multiclip ... that will allow me to have the best of all 12 cameras stacked in only a 3 track multiclip?
Or will something blow up?
All ears,
Ben

Hi Studio X. That's what I did. Works fine. Sort of fine.
The 12 cameras were actually one, doing 12 different takes in the pouring rain (camera under its raincoat). The singer had to run the playback from an iPhone patched into these tiny tiny speakers which had to be hidden ... and then lipsync perfectly while standing over crashing waterfalls ... seriously crashing. So between the rain, the iPhone playback (never quite getting the 'start' right) and not wanting to exhaust the singer with restarts to get a clean start ... all the starts were erratic. I had to tail sync the multiclip with out points. This often resulted in some pretty weird non-syncs.
And I still, after cutting maybe four films with the multiclip setup, can't figure out the proper protocol to get the video and audio working as they should. I just keep clicking variations until I get it working. I wish I could find a tutorial that covers the audio in relation to the video properly. So many just fudge through, or skip the audio/video syncing.
Thank you kindly for your help ...
Ben

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Added the following paragraph:
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denke wrote:
I want to make an album inside the project showing only the photos I uploaded, but I have not found how to do this.
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I did not beat you, Don.
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/Andreas <- Don, observe the S at the end of my name. Hey! I'm a guy you know! ;-)

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Hi mikeleung81
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Gary wrote:
Gary -- Thanks for the numbers. Numbers are good to have.
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My experience (limited, but aware) has been that, for each of the many grouping or binning functionalities in Aperture, I am always best served by choosing one and only one purpose. Your use of Stacks illustrates the problem: are Stacks for
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How to keep just the selected angles in a multicamera sequence??

Hello,
Is there any way to "uncollapse" ala Final Cut for lack of another word, the multi camera clips??
I just want to keep in the sequence the selected angles and not be in a multi camera nested environment type thing.
If I disable the mutlicamera what stays is completely different to what I selected.
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F.

Greg, check this article about multicam. This is the same thing I was saying.
Link to full article.
http://provideocoalition.com/index.php/ssimmons/story/working_with_multicam_in_adobe_premi ere_pro_cs6/
And no way to commit or collapse those multicam edits
One other thing that is missing from Premiere Pro CS6’s multicam editing is a way to commit multicam edits (as Avid Media Composer calls it) or collapse multiclips (as Final Cut Pro 7 calls it) when you’re done with an edit. This function basically replaces all group clips (as Avid calls them) or multiclips (as FCP7 calls them) with a normal, single clip in the timeline. This can be very important if you’re sending out AAFs or XMLs to another finishing system as multicam-type clips might cause some problems on conform.
It looks like PPro CS6 has something similar because if you right+click on a multicam clip and look at the Multi-Camera submenu there’s an option to Enable:
When you toggle that Enable check mark and disable the multicam clip it doesn’t “commit” that clip to the timeline but rather it seems to default to whatever clip is on the top most video layer in the Multi-Camera Source Sequence timeline. That doesn’t make a lot of sense to me but I think that’s a holdover from the older PPro versions when you had to edit a sequence into a sequence and then enable Multi-Camera to make it work. If Adobe wants to make Premiere Pro play nice with conform and finishing applications (and I think they do) then some way to collapse/commit multi-camera edits to a timeline with one swift click will help.

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But here's the issue... Suppose you want to zoom back out to 100% at some point. Is it best to animate that in the multiclip? This would work but it would be tedious and not terribly accurate if you were doing it alot. I haven't been able to keyframe zooms in the mulitclip sequence and, as I understand it, there's no way (or reason) to "collapse multiclip" the way you do in FCP 7.
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Hi,
Yes you can : it is an architectural problem.
You must divide the work into 2 methods : one on the generic level and one
on the concrete level.
The generic level will manage the cinematic : it could be ExecSql. In the
ExecSql method you can call a DoExecSql method which can be overridden by
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Url : http://perso.club-internet.fr/dnguyen/
Gabriel Akos a écrit:
Hi!
I have the following problem:
1. I have a class, name SQLManager
2. I have a method, ExecSQL
3. In method ExecSQL I do some SQL, occasionally it's loosing the
connection to the DB, gets an
exception, reasoncode 201 (If my memory is correct)
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Placing multicam shots from viewer to canvas?

I've edited a multicam sequence and now need to use that exact sequence in another sequence BUT the error I'm getting is "Operation not allowed. You cannot nest sequences with different editing timebases."?????
Please help. I've tried making a subclip but that didn't work either???
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You could copy/paste the content from the 24 sequence, into the 29.97...this should work, unless for some reason, that media is actually 24fps.
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K
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