Multiple clients in Developement system for Charm

Hi Solman experts,
We are planning for the Charm implementation and we have multiple clients in Developement system.
Major hurdle is how to keep all the development clients in sync.
we have following clients
100 Golden client
300 configuration client
400 ABAP Developement client
500 Unit test
600 HR1
700 HR 2 clients
All configurations will be made in Client 300 and transported to QA and all developements will be made in client 400
Transports released from 300 and 400 should go all other clients.
Solman experts could anyone advice whether this is can be done using charm.
regards
Naveen

Hello Naveen,
Please, check the point 1 of the following link:
/people/dolores.correa/blog/2009/07/22/change-request-management-scenario-usual-questions-and-known-errors
I think that this link can answer your question.
Best Regards,
Diego Fischer

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