Multiple Frame rate's??

My english is not .. excellent.. but i think u'll
understand.. Just, keep that in mind :)
Soo, my question is... Does exist any solution which provides
using different frame rate's (fps) in one .. scenee
For example.. one animation has a 20 fps. & anotherr
hasss 30... but they're in the same scene, or file... Does that
possible, or is there something that can help me whit this
situation. ?

Okett.... So, is there any optionn or tip orr action... that
cann make faster speed to some object..?

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Working with multiple frame rates

Hi- I unfortunately am dealing with a project where I'm dealing with potentially 3 different frame rates. I have some shot at 29.97ndf, some HDV captured using 1080i60 and some P2s converted for FCP and are at 23.98.
I understand that FCP 6 can handle different frame rates in the same timeline, so... are all these different rates something I need to be concerned with? I'll need to cut these together into a single montage and my end product will be a DVD.
Thanks for your help.
Robert

Thank you guys. Any specific ProRes? (there are so many of them). So... does this mean when I render it at 29.97 for NTSC all the 23.98 footage is going to get speed up like chipmunks?
Thanks again.
Robert

How best to deal with multiple frame rates in storyline?

Hey all, my lack of attention to detail may have cost me hours. I have a movie I am working on and made the stupid assumption that all my clips are the same frame rate. Don't ask why I didn't check - just sheer stupidity.
So now I have numerous clips in the storyline all meticulously edited to sync with other clips, music, the whole nine. Some source clips are 24p while others are 60i. Do I really have to go back and convert each clip individually? I am looking to preserve quality as much as possible, and I know getting 60i to 24p will create some loss, but is there a nice and easy way to do the converting all at once after I complete the storyline?
Thanks in advance. Time to go do something else while I wait for answers...

on playback inside FCPX.
And on export.
you'll notice in the 'Retime Menu' the Option 'Conform Speed' - eg, when I add a 60p clip to my 25p Project, I get a wonderful smooth slomow, due to the 60fps get 'stretched' to 25fps.
if I don't Conform Speed, the 60p get playbacked - in a 25p pProject! - in real time => no slowmo
How 'good' FCPX does the marvel to down-cascade 60i into 24p ... try yourself.
no interlaced material in use here.
quality is in the eye of the beholder ...

Concerning multiple frame-rates in one export file to perceive important necessary philosophies.

consider READ QUESTION, The following 4#'d Paragraphs should be skipped and not considered to be read and don't link
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thought flow throughout as it would be me daily, reflecting as necessary, apologizing in advance
if thrown out of balance.
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Imagine a movie theater. The projector is running happily away at 24 fps. All of a sudden you want to watch the movie at 60fps. You pick up your cell phone and call the lobby and talk to the manager. He thinks this is an interesting idea so he sends the projectionist up to the booth to look for a speed control on the projector. No luck, this one only runs at 24fps.
That's how video containers work. You render to a container (mov, avi, flv, whatever) and you've just bought a projector with only one speed. If you want to change speeds in the middle you have to have a very special projector. No way around that.
So the answer is that you can't render to the same container with different frame rates.
You can, however, in a single comp, have footage that runs from 1 frame per hour to 99 frames per second. You can interpret the footage placed in a comp at any frame rate from 1 per second to 99 frames per second, which would accomplish what you are trying to do, except for the part that the first hour of the movie rendered movie would contain more than one frame.
There are different types of containers however that can display each frame for a specific time interval. Animated Gif is the simplest movie container of this type. Flash is the most common. These are non standard video containers and you have to control the timing outside of AE.
It would help if we had a little less escortaric posing of your question. What exactly, in an actionable question, are you trying to do and why?

Editing in 60i or 30p? for canon Hf 10 and multiple frame rates?

My canon hf 10 shoots at 60i, 30p, and 24p. I would like to incorporate all the features of my camera into my projects, like the 24 frame movie mode for certain clips in my video, shoot at 30p for others, and 60i for fast moving when we are in a car. Now I understand that my camera does 30p and 24p in a wrapper, but if I were to edit a project timeline, which setting would be the correct to use If I wanted to use all the different footage??? Should I just use 60i? and just remove pulldown for 24p footage? Someone said that progressive is better then interlaced for DVD and internet viewing, or should I edit at 30p? 24p is of course not a reasonable option so I left it out. So I am left with either 60i or 30p...
The project will be put on DVD and on the internet. I was told 30p is better then 60i for this, but if my 30p and 24p are just 60i in a wrapper, should I go and EDIT IN THE TIMELINE with 60i since thats the format that its "really" coming from? Then, when its all done, it will be better?

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Video doesn't slow when added to timeline of different frame rate

I'm having trouble understanding what's going on here. I have a video shot at 59.94 fps, and I add it to a sequence that is set at 29.97 fps. It plays back normally which makes sense if premiere is dropping frames by 1/2, but the drop frame indicator says that it isn't dropping frames. The clip also runs the same length. The interpret frame rate for the clip in the project window says 59.94 fps, so if it's added to a sequence that is set at 29.97 fps and it's NOT dropping frames, shouldn't it be slowed down?

OK cool thank you very much. So I've been doing some research to figure out the best way to edit this project. The problem is that I have some GoPro videos shot at 1080X1920 and 59.94 fps and some at 480X840 and 240 fps. But the catch is I want to make the final product work well for Youtube. This is how I feel I should go about getting the best quality for my final video.
1. Set the sequence settings to 720X1280 (which is what I will export as so that the 480X840 doesn't loose as much quality compared to having to resize up to 1080X1920 to match the other clips). I don't think there's much quality loss in down-scaling the 1080X1920 to 720X1280 (if any, or is there?), so it's kind of a happy medium for both frame sizes that I have and it's still good for Youtube.
2. Apparently Youtube really works well with 29.97 fps, so this is what I will set the sequence frame rate at.
**Another side question I have is what if my sequence frame rate is set at 29.97fps and I interpret the frame rate of a 59.94fps clip as 29.97fps and add it to the sequence. Now if I use the rate stretch tool to speed up the now slowed down clip to 200% so that it plays at normal speed. Will Premiere remove frames to speed up the clip or does it really increase the rate of the frames so that I don't loose any frames?** My guess is if I export at 29.97fps it will remove half of the frames.
Is it not possible to have an exported movie clip that contains multiple frame rates?

Mixed frame rate video clips on the same Blu-ray disc

Before I go into the detail, this actually isn’t an issue for me, but more of a finding the answer to a different question, so please bear with me.
To explain: I live in the UK, and I’m forever challenged by the different native video frame rates imposed by the PAL and NTSC standards. Every consumer camcorder I’ve ever seen only produces HD output (1920 x 1080) at either 50 fields/second interlaced, or 25 (sometimes 50) frames/second progressive. Some action cameras (Go Pro) I possess allow me to record at 30fps progressive, in full HD, which for fast movement is simply better. This in itself is not really a problem, but I use other software (all USA sourced) for video production whose best results are only visible when the finished HD output is 1080/60i.
Having mixed frame rate video is a real problem for the DVD standard, but no so much for Blu-ray. Indeed Adobe Encore neatly gets around this problem, so I can actually author a Blu-ray disc which contains full HD video clips that may be either 50i or 60i. Both types of video exist on the same disc, and when played back through a Blu-ray player/TV combination, the resultant video clips are shown correctly. Player and TV switch seamlessly to the correct setting to handle the video content. So, I have a solution to my problem, but at the same time, a question I can’t find an answer to, which is this:
Does the Blu-ray specification allow video clips of different native frame rates (i.e. 25fps and 30fps) assuming the resolution is the same, to co-exist on the same Blu-ray disc as a supported feature?
It works, but I can’t find one shred of information that says what I’m doing is supported.
Comments are most welcome.
Regards,
Steve

Stan Jones wrote:
Encore requires you to specify the project type as PAL or NTSC (whether you start it as Bluray or DVD), and does not allow you to change it later. Also, if you try to create a transcode type for PAL in an NTSC project you cannot get to the 25 fps setting (and therefore, I think, cannot do it).
But if you import a Bluray legal 25i file to an NTSC project, it is happily added.
DVD player conventional wisdom is that PAL players handle NTSC disks, but NTSC players do not generally handle PAL disks. I never quite understood why the TVs were not more of the issue. Do Bluray players even differentiate between PAL and NTSC?
Even if the player will handle PAL, the TV may well not do so - so there is more going on.
NTSC uses (generally) 60Hz systems whereas PAL is 50Hz hence the problem.
Do not try to mix standards as it will not be allowed - however, multiple frame rates are allowed as long as they are within spec for that TV standard.
They are best avoided though - otherwise you run a very real chance of serious asset truncation as the TV display switches between different resolutions & frame rates.

FCPX Mixed Frame Rates? 30fps AND 24fps in same project?

Just got done doing a multicam shoot for a large event where I had multiple people helping me out. We all shot at 1080p on a variety of Canon DSLR cameras and a Go Pro and a MiniDV Consumer Cam. I thought everyone got the memo to shoot at 30fps, and most everyone did, however one of my Canon cameras shot at 24fps. I know I've heard in the past mixing frame rates can cause issue in other programs, and I know FCPX can handle multiple frame rates, but what sort of trouble am I in for if I want to use footage from cameras using 30fps and a camera using 24fps in the same final product? Is the 24fps stuff going to choppy or weird if I use it in a 30fps sequence/project? My final deliverable at this point can be 30fps or 24fps, it is not stated and I want to make sure evrything looks good so what should I set my project settings for? Any ideas?

Ah - no - conforming simply resets the frame rate information. You should re-conform it back to 29.97...
Here's what I think you'll need to do. If the majority of your material is at 23.98, make your main sequence that. Cut everything at that 23.98 - you'll have to render any 29.97 material then, but when you've locked picture, look at the sections with 29.97 stuff and if it looks okay, just skip to making the DVD. If it doesn't, you'll have to insert a pulldown by exporting your sequence then bringing the quicktime back in, adding a pulldown with Shake ($500) or Nattress frame rate converter ($99) - OR try this - edit it to tape and a pulldown will be inserted, then recapture.
Once you have a 29.97 version of your clip, cut it into a 29.97 sequence and re-cut in the 29.97 material (now you won't need to render). Then export for your DVD.
Now - after all this, are you sure that your 30fps material is NOT 29.97 with a pulldown? Did you check this yet?
Patrick

How can I edit multiple clips with different frame rates on the same timeline

how can I edit multiple clips with different frame rates on the same timeline

You do not want to edit material from different frame rates on one timeline. You CAN do this, but it is a very bad idea - and this is why.
Once you establish the sequence frame rate - lets say it is PAL material at 25fps, any material that you drop into the sequence other than 25 fps will have to be changed to play at 25 fps. If the material you add is NTSC (29.97), FCP will DROP 5 frames per sec to bring the frame rate down to 25 fps. Which 5 get thrown away? Every 6th one. This yields a funky cadence that becomes even more complex as as there are also interlaced fields (DV/NTSC is an interlaced format). Oh, and by the way, the image sizes are different as well. DV/PAL has 576 lines of resolution and DV/NTSC has 480. FCP has to scale up the NTSC to fit the PAL frame.
You do not want FCP adjusting these things on the fly. You want to do a thoughtful (and time consuming) conversion so that you end up with all your material in one format with the best possible image from the conversion process. Compressor can do an adequate job with Frame Controls turned on. The Natress Standards Conversion FCP plugin is another way to go. A third option is to find a post house that can do the conversion for you using a hardware based process.
The good news is, once everything is in the same format, editing it will be painless and the output process very quick.
Whatever frame rate/ image size you select, I'd suggest using ProRes for the codec. It is 4:2:2 color and will withstand color correction and composting with much more grace than any variant of DV based codecs.
Have fun.
x

Multiple formats and frame rates in one sequence

i have material shot on many different cameras. it includes PAL and NTSC, HD and SD, 24, 25, 30, and 60 fps, ProRes, DCVProHD, DVCam, etc etc. the final product is going to HD in both NTSC 24fps and Pal 25fps, for NatGeo domestic and international.
the roughs are already done with this hodgepodge. my job is to clean up the audio (done), and send the video out in for color, titles, and graphics. i'm trying to get at least the frame rates to match at 24, much of it is already in 24 dvcprohd or prores, so i have been doing quicktime exports of the non-dvcprohd/prores video to prores, then conforming to 24p in cinema tools, then overlaying the clips in the sequence with a fit to fill edit. sync has not been a problem, miraculously, even though the speeds end up between 100 and 125 percent.
am i doing anything right, and if not, what's a preferable way to handle this mess? i tried media manager initially but nothing would relink, so i gave up and started doing the clips individually as stated above.
all i know for sure is that whatever i end up doing, they're not paying me nearly enough.
-m

Hi Shane - Thanks for getting back to me! I figured I'd have to compress it, but
my question is - how? Initially, I used MPEG Streamclip to import the 23.98 dvd footage in as a DV/DVC Pro QT at 100% Best Quality. I then imported those files into FCP. After getting your e-mail, I went to export the files into Compressor (from FCP), and I'm only given 5 setting choices under "QT." I'm not sure which one to select . . . Uncompressed 10 bit? Any ideas? Again, thanks so much!!!

Export Quicktime = stalling / frame rate / dropped frames

Firstly this issue isn't news. It appears it has existed since 2002 at least on these forums and Apple has done nothing.
Exporting to Quicktime:
1) Keynote makes up what seem to be consistent random frame rates on export
- Codec doesn't matter. Photo JPG, Intermediate, 8bit 422, H264
- You can set the frame rate in export / custom / settings it doesn't matter
- Having no video on a slide or having video on a slide doesn't change the problem...
- The last two items do have more information to complete their story
- If you do have a video on slide at say 25fps and export (at same rate) the random will stabilise
but it will stabilise to something bizarre, such as 23.69.
- So Keynote can wreck your frame rate it will drop frames, or even add frames while dropping
others. It is deeply sophisticated in how it destroys stuff on export.
Result
- is a stuttering output if embed video on a slide with a wrecked frame rate
- and a random frame rate if you don't have a video embed
2) The video stalls between slides
- Keynote seems to play a trick by making a single frame span multiple frames
- At the start of the first slide this seems to vary. The first frame can be between 7 and 33
frames depending on some strange internal logic only known to Keynote
- Between slides it will hold the last frame of the exiting slide usually for 7 frames and hold
the first frame of the entering slide for usually the same amount.
- No amount of change to settings such as transition delay, adding a transition, self play etc
will effect this stalling from what I can tell.
- You can analyse the reality of the issue by dropping the resulting file into Quicktime 7 and
changing the video window "time code" display to frames by clicking on it and single framing
through the video. I have Quicktime Pro for the record.
Notes:
- I have every update installed and am running 10.6.2
- I have tried it on two machines, one a clean build, server or client
- Playing the presentation direct in Keynote does not present any of the noted issues
- I have spent the better part of two weeks on the issue trying all sorts of combinations
- Video of different frames rates, sizes, codecs. All useless, don't bother.
Outcome:
- Keynote is completely useless unless you just want to play a presentation in it
- Dropped frames, stuttering video, stalling, mangled frame rates, fake frames
Solutions that aren't:
- One suggestion for video embeds is to enter a strange custom frame rate. For example a
24fps original turns into a 23.69 export, if you up the frame rate to 24.3 the resulting export
is 24fps.
This is a truly hit and miss affair and will require a lot of testing to nail it. Unfortunately I
tested the resulting video frame count in Quicktime against the original video and...
The amount of frames is not the same. Part of my assumption is that the stalled pad frames
are being considered by Keynote and it drops some frames to fake the same length, that at
least -seems- to be part of the result, but it doesn't account for all the lost frames.
- I have also tried just having one slide and exporting that. The same things happen regardless
How Al Gore managed to make "inconvenient truth" using Keynote is a complete mystery. Maybe on Tiger with some old version it used to work, yet from the forums it would appear it has never worked. This piece of software is a clear case of "it just doesn't work"
I hope you find this and stop hurting yourself trying to make this. I might hurt on a bit longer yet.

I can't answer in detail (I started with version 6, which I haven't used in years, so don't know what v5 did) but... a general comment
Software that old is very likely going to struggle trying to edit a VOB/MPG file copies from a DVD
If you are digitizing by playing the DVD through a conversion device you should end up with DV AVI which should edit well
Just what kind of files are you trying to edit?

Setting video frame rate

Hi,
Are there someone had been able to control frame rate of video chating with actionscript or somthing else?
I have no preference which would be to set it in static or dynamic.
Thank you
Ono Keiji

you can use your camera and microphone when connected to Stratus. however, you can only publish your camera/microphone for direct connections (new NetStream(nc, NetStream.DIRECT_CONNECTIONS)), and subscribers must use the direct connect API to get the stream from you (new NetStream(nc, <your-peer-id>)). in this mode, your video/audio stream never goes to the server, but travels directly from you (the publisher) to the subscribers. that's the *only* mode that Stratus supports.
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-mike

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I have created code that runs on both Linux and windows.
The purpose of this code is to change the frame rate of capture device(webcam).
I have created a processor, and player, get FrameRateControl, and use setFrameRate(5.0f).
I have tried multiple combinations, just processor, just player, etc. and tried setting frame rate to different number, without success.
stopping processor, stopping player, setting frame rate, the starting again, and frame rate does not change!!
I have even created a ProcessorModel, with one format, specified frame rate, but still doesn't change.
Any one have ideas, or suggestions????
I can post code, but has lots of comments, and is messy, just a warning.

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We are using Flex to create a rich internet application that
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funny things are happening:
I import 300 jpegs (canon 6D raw exported from LR as jpeg at max quality)
create a new composition (with 25fps)
render video in h.264 @25 fps
videos rendering works fine, plays well at external player.
drag and drop video from file explorer to AE project window:
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how does that happen and more important: how can this be fixed?
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is there some know issues with the h264 codec in ae?
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