Multitimbral Instrument Plugins (ie 1 instument many midi channels)

I am using SampleTank and Kontakt and they way I use them just does not seem right ! The problem starts here..
- when I add Kontakt to a Instrument Strip the Midi channel is assigned in the strip in the environment window.
- If I create multiple tracks with the same Instrument and change the midi channel of a track they all change - Doh... not very logical.
The only work around to this that I have found is to create multiple instrument stips on env window and assign them all to the same instrument (ie instrument 1).... then give each a serperate midi channel - this creates lots of channels with the same audi meters bobbing up and down.
Sure I can use multiple instances of the same plugin (as with EXS24) but that is not very memory or processor effecient...
Now I know I can create Aux Channels and route channels to each - but you get in a "too many channels" mess !
So am I missing something is there an easy & logical way to put an instrument on a channel and route multiple midi tracks to it ?
Did I explain the problem clearly ? Any help/advice/guidance very welcome !
Cheers
Ian

Hello !
You have to go in the environment page, instruments, and create a new multi instrument, which you will name Kontakt for instance. Activate all channels by ticking each check box in the instrument icon in the environment page. Then open another environment page where you will choose to see the Audio objects, I.E. the mixer in that case. Drag a cable from you newly created multi instrument to the channel strip containing your Kontakt sampler. You get then a message saying that the ports are in use, do you want to change the assignment, and you answer YES. Now in the arrangement page, set midi channel of Kontakt to All. Now you can create Midi tracks for each midi channel. Multiple outputs are either managed inside the sampler itself or using the Multiple Output version of the plugin, depending of which plugin model.
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Thanks for the responses! The issue is that the three audio instrument objects in the environment are not respecting it's assigned midi channel. Yes, the channel splitter will split the incoming midi channel, but I shouldn't have to use the splitter if I set the midi channel on instrument 1's parameters pane to channel 1, and if the the midi channel is set to channel 2 on audio instrument 2 ect. So in the above example, no matter how how many different events I send on different midi channels to audio instrument 1, audio instrument 1 should only respond to midi channel 1. However it responds to all midi channels. Again, the channel IS NOT SET TO ALL.
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