Mutt + gmail (imap) + trash

hi everybody.
I've been using a mutt + offlineimap set-up for quite some time which worked like a charm. I did however buy a new laptop for which I wanted direct access from mutt to my gmail account. Pretty much everything works, except for one thing.
I have a macro in my .muttrc
macro index,pager d "<save-message>=[Gmail]/Trash<enter><enter>" "Trash"
which allows me to delete a message (removing all labels and set the "bin"-label to label them with "bin" only).
What does not work (and what I would want to get working) is that I can delete threads or tagged messages the same way (D + regexp for selecting messages to delete or T + regexp for selecting and then d). If I try to delete several messages, all labels are removed (ok), however the Bin-Label is not attached so the mails still remain in the Gmail All-Mail Folder.
I have tried with both mutt, mutt-hg and muttng but always get the same behaviour. I have nothing fancy in my .muttrc (which I will post later when I have access to my notebook).
Any hints for me?

Here is my .muttrc file. I did notice that I had to comment out the set trash statement. I had played with Debian before coming back to Arch..
set from = "<gmail address>"
set realname = ""
set imap_user = "<gmail address>"
set imap_pass = "<password>"
set folder = "imaps://imap.gmail.com:993"
set spoolfile = "+INBOX"
set postponed = "+[Gmail]/Drafts"
#set trash = "imaps://imap.gmail.com/[Gmail]/Trash"
set header_cache = ~/.mutt/cache/headers
set message_cachedir = ~/.mutt/cache/bodies
set certificate_file = ~/.mutt/certificates
set smtp_url = "smtp://<gmailaddress>@smtp.gmail.com:587/"
set smtp_pass = "<password>"
bind editor <space> noop
macro index gi "<change-folder>=INBOX<enter>" "Go to all mail"
macro index ga "<change-folder>=[Gmail]/All Mail<enter>" "Go to all mail"
macro index gs "<change-folder>=[Gmail]/Sent Mail<enter>" " Go to sent mail"
macro index gd "<change-folder>=[Gmail]/Drafts<enter>" "Go to drafts"
set move = no #Stop asking to "move read messages to mbox"!
set imap_keepalive = 900

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