New Hard Drive - ATA, ATA 133, SATA?

I have a PowerMac G4 Dual 1.42 FW 800. I need to add a second internal hard drive but I wasn't sure which type of hard drive I currently have installed and what the differences are between the ATA, ATA 133 and SATA.
Does the FW 800 model have the 128 gig limit for the hard drive if I use the existing hardware and cables?
Does the ATA 133 and SATA provide a dramatic performance difference to justify the cost of the new PCI card to support them?
Thanks for your input.

Thanks for your response. Does the FW 800 have a gigabyte limit on the hard drive above 128? For example: 200 or 250? I would like to install a 250 gig.
Do I need to do anything special to install the hard drive. I know the FW 800 will take 4 hard drives but two run at 66 instead of the 100.
Thanks

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New Hard Drive ATA-5, ATA-6, ATA-10, ATA-66, ATA-100, ATA-133!!!!!!

I am looking on ebay to pick up a new/second hand hard drive for my Pismo 400Mhz.
I going to go for a 60-120GB harddrive and am going to settle for a 5400speed.
So I know i'm looking for :
60-120GB
2.5"x1/8 H
IDE ATA or PATA
BUT if I go for the ATA option what ATA do I need?
ATA-5, ATA-6, ATA-10, ATA-66, ATA-100, ATA-133?
An I right in thinking it can only ba ATA-5 or ATA-6?

Bluefusion:
You need an 2.5" ATA Hard Disk Drive. It is sometimes referred to as (P)ATA or ATA/IDE. Serial ATA (SATA) drives are not supported by PowerPC Macs. Maximum capacity supported by the Pismo is 120 GB.
Here is a list of available HDDs for your computer at OWC. Many users suggest avoiding Toshiba and Fujitsu HDDs. Seagates are highly user rated, have a 5 year warranty, but cost a bit more in general.
Good luck.
cornelius

Help with new hard drive

Only a select few of us have found ourselves in this position. I am a student who takes his laptop to school for learning purposes however after doing a long night as the sound technician at a school show I put my MacBook Pro (Mid 2012 13" 4GB RAM Intel Core i5) into my bag put it over my shoulder and started to walk when I felt like a sudden weight had been lifted off my back and I heard the most colossal bang as then I find that the bag has snapped and my MacBook Pro is on the floor. When I get home I hastily go and check it and I find that there is a sizable dent in the side of my laptop where the hard drive is, so I open it up the hard drive and the SATA connection are fine and my mac still works so I continue to take it to school when a couple of days ago it completely freezes up and refuses to do anything so I turn it off and wait till I get home and then boot it up and all I get is a white screen so I press command and R. I then get I dialogue saying "INTERNET RECOVERY PLEASE WAIT", I read up on internet recovery and find it means something has gone completely wrong with my system. My hard drive has broke. So I go to school and they give me a small 60 GB hard drive spinning at 3,200 RPM which gave me some time to look for anew hard drive online whilst I could still do work on my laptop. I then find a Seagate 1 TB SSHD for £70 on Amazon so I go for it. Now I have followed all the instructions on how to install the drive which is supposedly Mac compatible I then boot my MacBook Pro up holding command and r it then boots into internet recovery I then go to restore the system through Time Machine Back-Up to then find that the SSHD isn't recognized. So I take it out and put it in my now 12 Year Old Power Mac G5 and in registers fine I then formatted it to Mac OS X Extended Journaled and partition it as GUID Partition Map for Intel Macs. I re-insert it into my MacBook Pro and go through the process again however it is still not showing up.
My Question is...
Am I doing something wrong?
Or
Is it the Solid State Hybrid Drive?
I can't Plug the new hard drive in via a SATA to USB and install Mac OS X Yosemite and my files because the only medium that has all my files on is my External Hard drive for time machine back-up.
Any help would be greatly appreciated

"It also seems a bit backwards since you have to erase a hard drive with nothing on it to format it"
At least you are not erasing anything important!! Always worth reformatting a new HD in my opinion, Apple does not make the HDs so you never know what they may have been formatted as/with/on/by etc... Also if you take time to ZERO out any data (see security options button) you would identify/isolate any bad blocks before you start using (highly recommended). This would lead to far few problems later, as you know for sure you have a sound and working disk! Definitely NOT backwards! Just good sense.

New WD Hard Drive ATA Link Errors

Hi there,
I just bought a new hard drive for my lenovo ThinkPad R60e. It is the following model:
# hdparm -I
ATA device, with non-removable media
Model Number: WDC WD5000BUDT-63G8FY0
Firmware Revision: 01.01A01
Transport: Serial, SATA 1.0a, SATA II Extensions, SATA Rev 2.5, SATA Rev 2.6
Standards:
Supported: 8 7 6 5
Likely used: 8
Configuration:
Logical max current
cylinders 16383 16383
heads 16 16
sectors/track 63 63
CHS current addressable sectors: 16514064
LBA user addressable sectors: 268435455
LBA48 user addressable sectors: 976773168
Logical Sector size: 512 bytes
Physical Sector size: 4096 bytes
Logical Sector-0 offset: 0 bytes
device size with M = 1024*1024: 476940 MBytes
device size with M = 1000*1000: 500107 MBytes (500 GB)
cache/buffer size = unknown
Nominal Media Rotation Rate: 5400
Capabilities:
LBA, IORDY(can be disabled)
Queue depth: 32
Standby timer values: spec'd by Standard, with device specific minimum
R/W multiple sector transfer: Max = 16 Current = 0
Advanced power management level: 128
Recommended acoustic management value: 128, current value: 254
DMA: mdma0 mdma1 mdma2 udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 *udma5 udma6
Cycle time: min=120ns recommended=120ns
PIO: pio0 pio1 pio2 pio3 pio4
Cycle time: no flow control=120ns IORDY flow control=120ns
Commands/features:
Enabled Supported:
* SMART feature set
Security Mode feature set
* Power Management feature set
* Write cache
* Look-ahead
* Host Protected Area feature set
* WRITE_BUFFER command
* READ_BUFFER command
* NOP cmd
* DOWNLOAD_MICROCODE
* Advanced Power Management feature set
Power-Up In Standby feature set
* SET_FEATURES required to spinup after power up
SET_MAX security extension
* Automatic Acoustic Management feature set
* 48-bit Address feature set
* Device Configuration Overlay feature set
* Mandatory FLUSH_CACHE
* FLUSH_CACHE_EXT
* SMART error logging
* SMART self-test
Media Card Pass-Through
* General Purpose Logging feature set
* 64-bit World wide name
* URG for READ_STREAM[_DMA]_EXT
* URG for WRITE_STREAM[_DMA]_EXT
* IDLE_IMMEDIATE with UNLOAD
* {READ,WRITE}_DMA_EXT_GPL commands
* Segmented DOWNLOAD_MICROCODE
* Gen1 signaling speed (1.5Gb/s)
* Gen2 signaling speed (3.0Gb/s)
* Native Command Queueing (NCQ)
* Host-initiated interface power management
* Phy event counters
* Idle-Unload when NCQ is active
* NCQ priority information
DMA Setup Auto-Activate optimization
Device-initiated interface power management
* Software settings preservation
* SMART Command Transport (SCT) feature set
* SCT Features Control (AC4)
* SCT Data Tables (AC5)
unknown 206[12] (vendor specific)
unknown 206[13] (vendor specific)
unknown 206[14] (vendor specific)
Security:
Master password revision code = 65534
supported
not enabled
not locked
not frozen
not expired: security count
supported: enhanced erase
138min for SECURITY ERASE UNIT. 138min for ENHANCED SECURITY ERASE UNIT.
Logical Unit WWN Device Identifier: 50014ee60132e99d
NAA : 5
IEEE OUI : 0014ee
Unique ID : 60132e99d
Checksum: correct
As it uses Advanced Format, I did an aligned partitioning as you can see here:
# fdisk -u -l
Disk /dev/sda: 500.1 GB, 500107862016 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 60801 cylinders, total 976773168 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x04801fe0
Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/sda1 2048 224909 111431 83 Linux
/dev/sda2 224912 44275139 22025114 83 Linux
/dev/sda3 44275144 48484169 2104513 83 Linux
/dev/sda4 48484176 976768064 464141944+ 83 Linux
After that I tried to copy my old system and data from the old hard drive (The new WD drive was built into the laptop and the old drive connected via SATA2USB adaptor). After a few minutes the hdd started to hang and the following messages occured in "dmesg"
[ 934.624568] ata1.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x0 action 0x0
[ 934.624575] ata1.00: BMDMA stat 0x25
[ 934.624583] ata1.00: failed command: WRITE DMA EXT
[ 934.624596] ata1.00: cmd 35/00:80:68:2b:13/00:01:2d:00:00/e0 tag 0 dma 196608 out
[ 934.624599] res 61/04:10:f0:1c:13/04:00:2d:00:00/e0 Emask 0x1 (device error)
[ 934.624606] ata1.00: status: { DRDY DF ERR }
[ 934.624611] ata1.00: error: { ABRT }
[ 934.631465] ata1.00: failed to read native max address (err_mask=0x1)
[ 934.631472] ata1.00: HPA support seems broken, skipping HPA handling
[ 934.646871] ata1.00: configured for UDMA/133 (device error ignored)
[ 934.646890] ata1: EH complete
[ 1234.019934] ata1: link is slow to respond, please be patient (ready=0)
[ 1239.033266] ata1: device not ready (errno=-16), forcing hardreset
[ 1239.033279] ata1: soft resetting link
[ 1244.199930] ata1: link is slow to respond, please be patient (ready=0)
[ 1249.053269] ata1: SRST failed (errno=-16)
[ 1249.053282] ata1: soft resetting link
[ 1254.219921] ata1: link is slow to respond, please be patient (ready=0)
[ 1259.073267] ata1: SRST failed (errno=-16)
[ 1259.073279] ata1: soft resetting link
[ 1264.239938] ata1: link is slow to respond, please be patient (ready=0)
First I thought it looks like a problem with the SATA connector within my notebook, but it shouldn't be case as the hdd sits tight and the old one still works. Moreover I tried to change SATA settings in BIOS from "AHCI" to "Compatibility" in case of a driver fault, but this also didn't fix the issue.
For now I have connected the new hard drive with the SATA2USB adaptor and do some writing on it via dd. In this case, the errors do not occur at all.
The disk now gives me errors even if connected via USB. So I assume it is a hardware defect. The Western Digital Drive Check tools won't boot, but, I think these errors are more or less unambiguous
[ 268.018935] Buffer I/O error on device sdb, logical block 77649
[ 268.018938] lost page write due to I/O error on sdb
[ 268.226335] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Unhandled sense code
[ 268.226340] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Result: hostbyte=0x00 driverbyte=0x08
[ 268.226345] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Sense Key : 0x3 [current]
[ 268.226350] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] ASC=0xc ASCQ=0x0
[ 268.226355] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] CDB: cdb[0]=0x2a: 2a 00 00 09 7b 30 00 00 f0 00
[ 268.226366] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 621360
[ 268.434722] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Unhandled sense code
[ 268.434732] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Result: hostbyte=0x00 driverbyte=0x08
[ 268.434740] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Sense Key : 0x3 [current]
[ 268.434748] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] ASC=0xc ASCQ=0x0
[ 268.434756] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] CDB: cdb[0]=0x2a: 2a 00 00 09 7c 20 00 00 f0 00
[ 268.434775] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 621600
[ 268.642711] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Unhandled sense code
[ 268.642718] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Result: hostbyte=0x00 driverbyte=0x08
[ 268.642723] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Sense Key : 0x3 [current]
[ 268.642728] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] ASC=0xc ASCQ=0x0
[ 268.642733] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] CDB: cdb[0]=0x2a: 2a 00 00 09 7d 10 00 00 f0 00
[ 268.642744] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 621840
[ 268.849950] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Unhandled sense code
[ 268.849956] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Result: hostbyte=0x00 driverbyte=0x08
[ 268.849961] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Sense Key : 0x3 [current]
[ 268.849967] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] ASC=0xc ASCQ=0x0
[ 268.849971] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] CDB: cdb[0]=0x2a: 2a 00 00 09 7e 00 00 00 f0 00
[ 268.850004] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 622080
[ 269.057592] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Unhandled sense code
[ 269.057598] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Result: hostbyte=0x00 driverbyte=0x08
[ 269.057603] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Sense Key : 0x3 [current]
[ 269.057608] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] ASC=0xc ASCQ=0x0
[ 269.057612] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] CDB: cdb[0]=0x2a: 2a 00 00 09 7e f0 00 00 f0 00
[ 269.057624] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 622320
[ 299.466711] usb 1-1: reset high speed USB device number 3 using ehci_hcd
[ 329.760049] usb 1-1: reset high speed USB device number 3 using ehci_hcd
[ 354.454537] usb 1-1: USB disconnect, device number 3
[ 354.458395] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Unhandled error code
[ 354.458404] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Result: hostbyte=0x01 driverbyte=0x00
[ 354.458412] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] CDB: cdb[0]=0x2a: 2a 00 00 09 7f e0 00 00 f0 00
[ 354.458431] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 622560
[ 354.458446] quiet_error: 170 callbacks suppressed
[ 354.458451] Buffer I/O error on device sdb, logical block 77820
For the sake of completeness, here are the SMART values:
smartctl 5.40 2010-02-03 r3060 [i686-pc-linux-gnu] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-10 by Bruce Allen, http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net
=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Device Model: WDC WD5000BUDT-63G8FY0
Firmware Version: 01.01A01
User Capacity: 500,107,862,016 bytes
Device is: Not in smartctl database [for details use: -P showall]
ATA Version is: 8
ATA Standard is: Exact ATA specification draft version not indicated
Local Time is: Sun Jul 10 09:44:26 2011 CEST
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled
=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED
General SMART Values:
Offline data collection status: (0x00) Offline data collection activity
was never started.
Auto Offline Data Collection: Disabled.
Self-test execution status: ( 0) The previous self-test routine completed
without error or no self-test has ever
been run.
Total time to complete Offline
data collection: (13560) seconds.
Offline data collection
capabilities: (0x7b) SMART execute Offline immediate.
Auto Offline data collection on/off support.
Suspend Offline collection upon new
command.
Offline surface scan supported.
Self-test supported.
Conveyance Self-test supported.
Selective Self-test supported.
SMART capabilities: (0x0003) Saves SMART data before entering
power-saving mode.
Supports SMART auto save timer.
Error logging capability: (0x01) Error logging supported.
General Purpose Logging supported.
Short self-test routine
recommended polling time: ( 2) minutes.
Extended self-test routine
recommended polling time: ( 158) minutes.
Conveyance self-test routine
recommended polling time: ( 5) minutes.
SCT capabilities: (0x7031) SCT Status supported.
SCT Feature Control supported.
SCT Data Table supported.
SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x002f 200 200 051 Pre-fail Always - 0
3 Spin_Up_Time 0x0027 189 185 021 Pre-fail Always - 1541
4 Start_Stop_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 54
5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 200 200 140 Pre-fail Always - 0
7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x002e 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 0
9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 16
10 Spin_Retry_Count 0x0032 100 253 000 Old_age Always - 0
11 Calibration_Retry_Count 0x0032 100 253 000 Old_age Always - 0
12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 50
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 36
193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0032 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 164
194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0022 111 105 000 Old_age Always - 36
196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 0
197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0032 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable 0x0030 100 253 000 Old_age Offline - 0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count 0x0032 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 0
200 Multi_Zone_Error_Rate 0x0008 100 253 000 Old_age Offline - 0
SMART Error Log Version: 1
No Errors Logged
SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1
No self-tests have been logged. [To run self-tests, use: smartctl -t]
SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1
SPAN MIN_LBA MAX_LBA CURRENT_TEST_STATUS
1 0 0 Not_testing
2 0 0 Not_testing
3 0 0 Not_testing
4 0 0 Not_testing
5 0 0 Not_testing
Selective self-test flags (0x0):
After scanning selected spans, do NOT read-scan remainder of disk.
If Selective self-test is pending on power-up, resume after 0 minute delay.
It is regardless which kernel version I use (latest ARCH 2.6.39 or 2.6.23 from a grml live system), the error is persistent everywhere.
I will just send it back for warranty. In fact, it's another prove for today's harddisk "quality"
EDITED: 1. forgot some detail in dmesg; 2. Finally got it
Last edited by fixje (2011-07-10 11:35:06)

We call it case or drive hum. And it seems like a harmonic clash of two devices, or the 2nd hard drive causing the case itself (metal case).
There are shock absorbent washers on the side metal door.
Drive is attached and firmly installed and the latch on the back is securely in down and lock position.
And of course it still happens.
Me, I'd pull the old inefficient 250GB drive with 8MB cache, the Seagate 7200.9s that some shipped with were horrible performance and noise).
What I do with drive is run it through WD Lifeguard in Windows a couple times (Extended Test, full format instead of quick).
Some people sought out drive sled anti-vibration washers to fit to the sled (can't change the height though in order to fit properly).
Turn off "allow drives to spin down when not in use" if on.

KT4 Ultra w/ 2 hard drives ATA 100

Hi,
I have 2 hard drives ATA 100. One is plugged as master on IDE1 (40Go) and second one as master on IDE2 (160Go).
On the first one, I can activate Ultra DMA mode 5 while on the second one I can only go up to Ultra mode 2.
I tried to connect the second hard drive on IDE1 (still in master mode) and then I can reach Ultra mode 5 (first hd being unplugged).
So it seems that the ATA 100 is not activated on the IDE2.
I am not a geek, sorry, and I am wondering if there is a mistake somewhere (jumper to be set) or a bios feature to activate ?
Thanks in advance for your help.
PS : I have two cd burner in slave mode on IDE1 & IDE2
-Motherboard type and model : MSI-6590
-Bios type and revision : AMI rev 1.4
-CPU type and model : AMD Athlon FX-Xp 2000+
-512Mo PC2700 ?
-Hard Drives IDE :
IDE1 : Excelstor 40Go J240
IDE2 : Seagate Barracude 7200.7 160Go ST3160023A
-Gnu/Linux 2.6
Fred

Hello Fred:
Have you installed the most recent drivers?
It is possible there is a driver problem. There was a driver release for Win2k in January of 2005 of the 'VIA 4 in1 drivers'
It says 'Enable VT8251 IDE DMA function under Windows 2000'
It is at this link:
http://www.msi.com.tw/program/support/download/dld/spt_dld_detail.php?UID=356&kind=1
These don't do you much good since you are using Linux 2.6. You didn't identify your distro but you should check for any updates if you haven't already.
It's possible that the Win2k bug was also in the Linux drivers.
I assume you are probing the Linux message boards as well.
Besides this, I'm not sure what your problem is. You could try disconnecting the CD burners (slave) and see what happens.
ss

Need to add new hard drive. What type do I need?

I am adding a new hard drive for my Mac Pro. Got it last year. I am looking at 2 hard drives my Seagate.
750 GB 3.5 SATA II NCQ Internal HD
750 GB 3.5 Ultra ATA/ 100 Internal HD.
Which of the 2 will work in my computer?
Thanks in advance for the help.
- Dan

There have been problems with older Seagate 7200.10s but not .11s but they must be SATA. It really is there in the Do It Yourself mini booklet and pdf manual, or look at the specs and slots.
The Seagates were slow and there was a firmware update for some models.

Guess I need a new hard drive...

I have no clue how, but suddenly my hard drive is shot. I opened my laptop the other day and expected my login page to come up (I keep it on sleep mode) and it was off. When I turned it on I got a grey screen with an old school mac logo (blinking folder and a ? mark).
I called tech support and learned that my hard drive is completely gone, cannot be retrieved and I need a new one ( PLEASE tell me they were wrong!!! lol). I tried booting from the start up disk and the installer couldn't find the drive to install to.
Where do I find a new hard drive? How much do they cost? Should I go to the mac genius or avoid them? Is there any way to pull files or photos off my old hard drive? Is it worth buying a new hard drive or should I just get a new computer at this point? I feel like I have a faulty used car that hit is 5 year mark and is just going to start dying off...piece by piece. Its so sad, I'm extremely depressed over all this.
Someone give me good news! Please?!

Welcome to the Apple discussions.
While it sounds like your hard drive has indeed died, I would run the Apple hardware test to confirm. Find the original OS X disc that shipped with your system, which says "AHT Version x.x" in small print on the label. Insert it, and reboot holding the option key down, choose the Apple hardware test, click the arrow to the right and follow directions. Choose the extended test. Does that confirm/tell you anything about the hard drive?
Assuming your hard drive is indeed dead, you have several choices. You can have a local Apple store replace it, and they will only replace it with the same size drive. They will also keep the hard drive as a trade-in on a new one, which bothers some people. Dead or not they prefer a hard drive with personal data on it not go somewhere else, which would also be relevant if you want to have files extracted from the dead drive. Apple Authorized Service Providers can also replace the hard drive, and are more flexible to deal with. They may also install a hard drive you buy elsewhere. You can find the closest Apple store or AASP via http://www.apple.com/buy/locator/service/
Or, if you're handy, you can do it yourself. See these directions to determine if it's in your ballpark: http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Mac/PowerBook-G4-Al-17-Inch/HD-Replacement/55/6/
If you buy a hard drive yourself, you want a 2.5" notebook drive with a parallel ATA interface, not a serial ATA or SATA interface, which is quite popular today. Standard speed is 5400rpm, and for a slight price premium you can find 7200rpm drives, although the selection is declining due to manufacturers concentrating on SATA drives. Here are two sources at link:[OWC|http://eshop.macsales.com/Search/Search.cfm?Ne=5000&Ntt=2.5harddrive&Ntk=Primary&Ns=P_Price|0&N=6885] and link:[Newegg|http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=201015 0380+1035907889&name=ATA-6]. Depending on size you're talking $50 to $105 for a new hard drive, and additional if someone else installs it for you. Even if you have someone else install it, that's quite a bit less expensive than a new computer.
In terms of recovering data, there are some services that will recover whats on the hard drive, however, they are very proud of the services they provide and charge accordingly. You can scan these forums for recommendations. If you don't have a backup today, budget for an external hard drive too. You can see a selection at http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/firewire/on-the-go
Please post back with any questions.

Can't install(format?) new hard drive

I recently purchased a Wetern Digital Scorpio 250GB PATA HD for my Toshiba M35X-S114. This was the drive recommened on the Toshiba Laptop Accessories page. I physically instaled the new drive but can't figure out how to get it started. I used the System Recovery DVD for my computer thinking I could install the original software on the new hard drive. The guy on the tech support phoneline said I could. When I tried to use the recovery disc I got all the wall to the message where it prompts me to "press C for continue or A to abort". When I press C, the cursor moves right below the prompt and just blinks. The tech support line said the process may take several hours but I let it do this for for 3.5 hours and the cursor was still just blinking below the continue/abort message. Is this normal? Do I just need to be patient? When I used the recovery disk on the old, original hard drive my computer was completely recovered in 45 minutes. Oh, BIOS reads "none" next to hard disk. I hope this helps.

I emailed Hitachi support and got this response.
It works. Just a pain!!
Hard drives of SATA type interface does not have jumpers to configure. You
can still use a SATA 3.0Gb/s drive (set to 3.0Gb/s) in your system, but it
will only work at 1.5Gb/s.
If your have a PC system, you can temporarily install the drive internally
and use our utility called Feature Tool that'll allow you to change various
ATA settings. This utility has the diskette and CD version. If you do not
have a floppy drive and are unable to create a Feature Tool diskette, you
can select the Feature Tool CD image. The fourth download link is for the
image file. This file will allow you to create a bootable CD version of
Feature Tool when a floppy diskette drive is unavailable. For instructions
on how to properly use this file, please refer to the documentation
included with your CD burning software.
If you have any questions regarding the usage of Feature Tool, please refer
to the User's Guide (see page 17 on how to change the drive capacity). The
Feature Tool and User's Guide can be downloaded from the following URL:
http://www.hitachigst.com/hdd/support/download.htm#FeatureTool
Before running Feature Tool, ensure that your system boot sequence (in your
system BIOS) is set to boot to your CD ROM drive as the first device.
Insert the bootable Feature Tool diskette or CD that you created and let
the system boot to this CD.

Best ways to use new hard drives?

I got some really useful answers on this forum when I was trying to recover from a hard disk crash. Thanks to all who helped. Now, I have a few more questions.
On the recommendation of the service technician at the Apple
store, I went on line and bought a Seagate 250 GB
internal drive, and installed it in my G4, only to
discover that it can only recognize 128 GB. Oh, well, it was pretty cheap.
Once I got the system rebuilt and running OK, I went
to work on the CD burner. It turned out to be broken,
and the manufacturer, La Cie, recommended I just
purchase an internal CD/DVD burner, and install it in
the old case. After thinking about that for awhile, I
thought, why don't I just buy another internal hard
drive, and install that in the CD case? that way ,
I'd have an external firewire drive to use for backup, instead of burning CDs. which is a pain. So, I found a 160 GB Seagate drive, even
cheaper than the 250, and bought that. I should have
checked to see whether the old hard drive would fit in
the CD case, but, of course, I didn't. Turns out the
3.5 inch internal hard drive is much smaller than the
CD drive, I think the electronics would work OK, but
I don't have a good way to secure the disk drive in
the larger case. So, now I have 2 internal hard
drives in my Mac, one a 250 GB which my Mac thinks is
128 GB, and the other a 160 GB, which the Mac also
thinks is 128 GB!
My questions:
1. Would the electronics in the CD/DVD case work with the ATA drive?
2. Anyone know of a good work-around to secure the drive in the larger case?
3. If I keep both drives in the Mac. Can I make the slave drive bootable? How?
4. If I should get a good answer to #1 and #2, or choose to buy a new hard drive enclosure, how do I go about cloning the contents of the master drive to the slave, so that I can use the larger drive as my external drive without having to repeat the painful process of building my system from scratch?
5. I think I remember seeing reference to a software solution to the 128 GB limit. Is that correct? What are the drawbacks? do I have to reformat the drives?
Thanks.
Powermac G4 Mac OS X (10.3.9) 1.4 GHz, 896MB SDRam

Hi, Dave!
I don't know for sure whether the drive will work in the FW case that held the optival drive. Why don't you temporarily connect it and check?
If you install the drive internally and put an operating system on it, it will boot regardless of whether it's configured as Master or as Slave. You could have an operating system on both drives if you cared to. You'd be able to boot from either of them (which is determined by - and may be changed in - the Startup Disk pane of System Preferences from a booted system, the menubar of the install disk, or the Startup Manager (invoked when the option key is held down at startup).
You can use the Restore option in Disk Utility to clone your startup volume to a volume on another drive. Better yet, try SuperDuper or CarbonCopyCloner, which are faster. Cloning will make a bootable duplicate of the startup volume you can use just like the original, without having to reinstall anything.
The software solution you're referring to is Intech's ATA Hi-Cap Support Driver. Read the info at the site; there are some restrictions on how you need to set up the drives for it to work properly. If you instead buy an ATA-133 PCI controller card ($60-$80), you won't have the restrictions and will have a faster drive bus to operate with, taking advantage of the speed of the ATA-100 or ATA-133 drives you have, while allowing you to use the native logic board bus to add an additional (<120GB) drive.
In any event, in order to realize the full capacity of the drives, you'll need to reformat them from the 128GB they're currently formatted to.
Gary

Would this new hard drive work on my MacBook?

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=5566988&st=seagate&lp=2&type=produ ct&cp=1&id=1055388011277
Just thinking about upgrading my MacBook a bit, and wondering if this hard drive (which seems like a great deal) would work out in my MacBook or whether it would cause problems.
This is kind of a silly question, but I don't know all that much about computers. Increasing the hard drive will just let me have more room for music, photos, etc, right? I would have to increase the memory to make it operate at a faster speed?
Also, does anyone know if the Genius Bar would install a new hard drive for me?
Thanks!

No. First, it's an ATA drive and the MB requires a SATA drive. Second, that drive is a 3.5 inch full-size hard drive. You need a notebook drive (2.5 inch) for the laptops. See the these New Egg notebook drives.
Adding a larger hard drive will provide increased storage capacity. Adding RAM will not make the computer run faster. Adding RAM simply enables you to run more applications simultaneously without the slowdown caused by virtual memory.
Installing a hard drive in a MacBook is a DIY project. You can find instructions at http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Mac/MacBook/Hard-Drive. You will need a very small (#00) Phillips screwdriver and a T8 Torx driver. You should find them at a hardware store.
As for whether your local Apple store will install a drive you purchase on your own is something you will need to ask them.
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New hard drive does not get recognized by OS X server 10.6

Xserve disk utility does no see the new HD. It is not HD issue as I have tested drive in other carrier, switched drive in different bays, booted from Xserve 10.6 dvd and 10.6 Server image in our net boot. Drive is not seen by disk utility. Even put in an Apple original (Mac Pro) HD. We have verified that. memory, HDD carrier and HD Bay are not defective.

Thanks John for the reply. I tried different new hard drives as well as a HD from Mac Pro server.I did try drive in different bays. Other 2 drives in the Xserve are recognized in all bays.I even switced HD carrier. Nothing seems to work. I found the following notes in the Xserve manual. I could not fully understand that. May be you can help me understand this.
Xserve (Late 2006) includes three hard drive bays on the front panel. Hard drives come as
modules, known as Apple drive modules (ADMs), attached to carriers; they are removed from or
installed in the Xserve as a unit. ADMs have been available from Apple in various capacities for
all Xserve and Xserve RAID models, and in multiple interface types. Xserve G4 and Xserve RAID
use parallel ATA (PATA) ADMs, and Xserve G5 uses serial ATA (SATA) ADMs. Xserve (Late 2006) can
use SATA ADMs, and ADMs with a new, third interface type known as serial attached SCSI (SAS).
It is important to understand ADM forward compatibility and backward compatibility with older
Xserve models, since some combinations of ADM and Xserve or RAID work properly while other
combinations do not. The following table summarizes this compatibility.
Xserve G4 Xserve RAID Xserve G5 Xserve
(Late 2006)
Xserve (Early
2008)

New hard drive not working

I just bought a new hard drive to replace my exhausted 12G HD in my G3 iMac DV graphite. I started up using the original OS 9 disc and the HD was not recognized. I loaded OS9 onto the new HD via fire wire from my G5 successfully, still no joy. So here's the specs: Maxtor Ultra Series 100GB, 7200 rpm, Ultra ATA/133. I got it pretty cheap at Staples. The package info seemed to indicate this would work. If not compatible I guess I can add it to my G5. Thanks in advance. If this is the wrong drive....can I get the specs for what type of HD I should be looking for? Thanks.
MJC
G5 and iMac DV Graphite Mac OS X (10.3.9)
G% and iMac DV Mac OS X (10.3.9)

Do the following:
1, Boot from your OS X Installer Disk. After the installer loads select Disk Utility from the Installer menu.
2. After DU loads select your hard drive (this is the entry with the mfgr.'s ID and size) from the left side list. Click on the Partition tab in the DU main window.
3. Set the number of partitions from the dropdown menu (use 1 partition unless you wish to make more.) Set the format type to Mac OS Extended (Journaled, if supported.) Click on the Partition button and wait until the volume(s) mount on the Desktop.
4. Select the volume you just created (this is the sub-entry under the drive entry) from the left side list. Click on the Erase tab in the DU main window.
5. Set the format type to Mac OS Extended (Journaled, if supported.) Click on the Options button, check the button for Zero Data and click on OK to return to the Erase window.
6. Click on the Erase button. The format process will take 30 minutes to an hour or more depending upon the drive size.
You should now be able to install OS X.

Advice about buying a new hard drive

I have a TOSHIBA Satellite L25-S1216. I have not been able to boot into Windows XP for 3 years using the factory Recovery and Applications/Drivers DVD and the Fully Recover procedure on the back of the DVD packae. I have been using Linux for the past 3 years. Ubuntu SMART test disk utility tells me I have 20 bad hard drive sectors. I have concluded I should buy a new hard drive, since mine has 20 bad sectors. My current hard drive is ATA-6, so I know I need a PATA compatible hard drive. I'd like to increase to maybe 60 GB from the current 40 GB. I'd also like to go with a solid state drive, but there don't appear to be many PATA compatible solid state drives.
And I don't want to get too complicated or expensive; I want to stay with my current Windows XP. Not sure if a SATA PATA interface adapter would work to allow me to use a SATA solid state hard drive or not. I know (from reading knowledge base posts) there is also the potential problem of the older BIOSs not recognizing the newer Advanced Drive Format drives.
QUESTION: Does anybody have any advice about buying a hard drive that would work for me? How can I be reasonably sure a hard drive I buy is compatible with my computer?
Thank you,
Bob
Solved!
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either get a pata drive (you can get larger than the stock 40gb) or use your $ towards a more current new/used laptop. pata ssd would be a waste and I doubt adapter would work. also, ms is dropping support for xp so it would be a good time to upgrade to something with a more current os as well.
L305-S5955, T9300 Intel Core 2 Duo, 4GB RAM, 60GB SSD, Win 7 Ultimate 64-bit

Tips on buying new hard drive?

I'd like to install a new hard drive in my 800 mhz iMac G4, but I don't really know enough about hard drives to know what to buy. Would any internal hard drive work with my Mac or do I need to get a specific type of hard drive? Thanks.

Hello,
The iMac uses a standard desktop PC hard drive. It is 3.5" wide and in the iMac G4 uses the IDE connection (also known as ATA or Parallel ATA, ATA 66, etc) but not the SATA (serial ATA) connection as this is different. You should buy a 7,200rpm drive as these are faster than the 5,400rpm drive that came in the iMac 800MHz. You should also look for one with a cache of 8Mb or higher as this also increases the speed.
I've heard mixed reports from 800MHz iMac owners; some are limited to the 128Gb IDE limit found on older IDE Controllers and others are not. I'd advise sticking to a 120Gb internal drive to avoid disappointment. There is essentially no limit to the size of drive you can connect externally via Firewire.
Here is a list of suitable hard drives.
It's pretty fiddly to work inside an iMac G4 so you must be cautious. Always take anti-static precautions. Here are three options for guiding you through the procedure:
MacWorld
xlr8yourmac
Service Manuals
I've also taken a fair few photos which you can find here.
I'd advise reading the reports on the xlr8yourmac's drive database so get other people's experiences first.
You must replace the Thermal Paste when you close the iMac up or it will overheat.
It's probably worth replacing the PRAM Battery whilst you're in there as these have a finite life (once they fail to re-charge you may start to run in to snags - it's only a $5 part). You might also give consideration to upgrading the 'factory' RAM slot.
regards
mrtotes

MDD freezes when transferring files to new Hard Drive.

I am using a G4 MDD Dual Processor Tower with 1 GB DDR SDRAM, Dual 1 GHz and an 80 GB hard Drive on an ATA/100 controller, using a cable select cable (OEM). I just installed an additional PATA Western Digital WES-WD3200JB 320 GB hard drive. Both drives are on the ATA/100 and on Cable Select mode. The 80GB hard drive (which has the system installed on it) was originally installed in the slave position (and still is). I zeroed the drive and did a PRAM reset before I partitioned and formatted the drive.
I have had freeze up troubles when I try to transfer files from the old 80GB Hard Drive to this new 320 GB one. I have tried transferring files from a DVD to this new Hard Drive without a problem. I have tried transferring that same load of files from the new Hard Drive to the old one without a problem. The only time it seems to freeze up is when I try to transfer a large number of files from the old Hard Drive to the new one. The problem doesn’t occur with large files, just with a large number of files. For example, I have transferred a single 917MB file without a problem, but when I try to transfer a folder that has 158 items totaling 38.6 MB, that is when my computer freezes up. However, I have frequently transferred folders containing a few (under 20) files that are under 5 MB without a problem.
I have considered putting the new drive on the ATA-66 controller instead of the ATA-100 (as several Apple forum posts recommend), but I would rather figure out why the freeze up occurs in only this specific set of circumstances.
Any theories on what is causing this freeze up, or suggestions on how to fix it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

ATA doesn't share a bus very nicely, you can always put the WD 320 over to ATA/100 or do that now, but yes, isolate them.
You may have directory problem or bad sectors, so eliminating that would be another step.
Some people even recommend zeroing a new drive right off the bat.
PATA should not have the problems of SATA, but you might want to look into whether this drive has come up in other problems. OWC includes it in one of the FW cases also.
And you could move your OEM to FW case, can't imagine continuing to use the OEM drive at this point (they were slow and had only 2MB cache then, I use mine for an emergency FW backup system).

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