Non-Arch screenshots on these forums

I am getting tired of people lurking on the forums, not running Arch yet posting their screenshots in the appropriate (well I should rather say inappropriate) topics. There is no point - and no honour - on posting Arch screenshots on Ubuntu. That goes both ways if you ask me. Why is it people keep dropping their screenies on these forums? Is it aspiration? Is it self-illusion? I don't know. I just know I find it irritating. And I just wanted to voice it

iBertus wrote:I posted a Windows screenshot once. Why should it matter what distro someone is using if they feel like sharing it. The end result is the same, people sharing ideas for desktop setups. The screenshot thread used to be fun and informative, not strictly governed and all uptight.
I thought about posting a basic Windows XP picture in the April screen shot thread... you know, like one that still has the Luna theme and is disorganized with tons of icons everywhere... and maybe with a folder called porn thrown in there for good measure.
April fools came and went before I thought about it, though.

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Can anyone tell me if anyone from Apple reads these forums

*Can anyone tell me if anyone from Apple reads these forums and does anything about the issues experienced?* I still have a faulty proximity sensor, even after the latest download. I went to the Apple Store and they told me to stop using it with the leather pouch, but it doesn't make any difference. I even tested the test models in the store and they did the same thing.
*Has anyone been able to fix the proximity sensor fault on their phone so that it doesn't come on whilst your talking?*
Someone please help. I loved my iphone 3G, but the iphone 4 has caused me to become so disappointed with Apple. I'm even thinking of moving to the Samsung Galaxy, which has Google Android capability, moving background wallpapers, bluetooth capability, video capability that is compatible the a variety of media players (not just Quicktime), the ability to send business cards to non-apple phones and the ability to be used as a USB drive without needing wifi or itunes.

These Forums are mostly users talking with users, now and then you may see the grey Apple icon of an employee/genius posting and the purple Apple of a Forum host but they aren't here to pass on feedback.
The best way to make your point is to send feedback here:
http://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone.html

These forums are great!

So first, the Arch guys decide to make an ideal-for-all distro, then they actually keep it current, then they keep it very current, then it's backed up by a set of very active forums?! Too good to be true! All you guys are very, very helpful, and are very polite. Pat yourselves on the back, you're all supporting this great distro and the entirety of Linux in general!

phrakture wrote:
arooaroo wrote:I agree! These forums have been a serious factor in my continued use of Arch. I think there is a great community here.
I hate you! I hate everyone! You all suck! errr.... wait, nevermind... yeah, community! and flowers! and love! and special things! ....
you forgot to mention candy in a heart shaped box.

Has etiquette in these forums worsened? Or is it just me?

Hey,
So it's been about a year since I've been at these forums. I've been working on something non-java related for a while.
But anyway, I was just browsing over the posts and noticed that the level of etiquette is lower than what it was.
I'm seeing a lot more arguments or unrelated discussions going on in someone's question thread.
I just read over a student post who posted a simple legitimate question about operator precedence. And the responses were so over-the-top arrogant. And then two posters started discussing and arguing over something completely unrelated on the OP's thread!
I remember a year ago, that arrogance in these forums was VERY rare, and not tolerated by anyone. Under-researched questions or commonly asked questions were responded to with a link to a relevant page, or a few terms that the OP could look for. Nothing more was needed.
And if the attitude of the OP doesn't appeal to someone, they just ignored it.
Has it always been this bad? or is it just me?
-Cuppo
PS: And what happened to the Watercooler forum?

I remember a year ago, that arrogance in these forums
was VERY rare, and not tolerated by anyone.
Under-researched questions or commonly asked
questions were responded to with a link to a relevant
page, or a few terms that the OP could look for.
Nothing more was needed.
And if the attitude of the OP doesn't appeal to
someone, they just ignored it.
I am sorry but you are wrong. This is not the way it was a year ago, or five years ago or eight years ago.
Has it always been this bad? or is it just me?In some ways things are better. Less Goldie for one thing.
In other ways things are worse. Look at this thread http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jspa?threadID=5176699&start=0&tstart=0
I would say it's fairly typical to have several of these a day.
Here's another example from this week http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jspa?threadID=5176013
I mean. Come on. Vague questions. Lazy, lazy, lazy, lazy people with no clue seeking "teh codes". It's not surprising to me that there's off-topic chatter in some threads when this is the quality of so many of the questions.
But it isn't just getting worse here, it's getting worse everywhere. More and more lazy nitwits think the answers to much of life's problems can be found for free on the internet without their having to work one iota to actually learn or do anything.
-Cuppo
PS: And what happened to the Watercooler forum?You've been gone longer than a year I guess. Sun axed the water cooler (aka the forum that shall not be named although the thought police are less active then they used to be) around 2002.

Double Standards on these forums!

I have noticed that in these forums any links to product advertisement is considered to be a spam but some products promotion are allowed. Is there any guidance anywhere for people to read them to avoid any problems? For example this particular link is clearly a promotion but nobody has removed it:
<http://forums.adobe.com/message/4215795#4215795>
Perhaps there is one rule for mere mortals like us and special rules for privileged few!! How can I join this band of privilege few? I am a very nice chap if you guys treat me nice

Links to commercial sites/suppliers are a touchy situation, and it can be tough for a MOD to determine what is spam, and what is a useful and germane inclusion.
I often add links to commercial, or 3rd party sites, but ALWAYS try to point out that something is shareware, freeware, of other. I also make 100% sure that any commercial link is highly germane and hopefully helpful, in solving a problem.
The actions, an interpretationsn by MOD's, will differ, forum to forum, and MOD to MOD.
As a "for instance," it is fairly common for users to recommend a non-Adobe product for DVD authoring in the Premiere Elements forum. While PrE offers limited authoring functions to DVD-Video, or BD, it IS very limited, and there are some programs, from another source, that do a more complete job with regard to authoring. Adobe has never had an issue with such recs. and links, which speaks well of Adobe, in my book. In the end, the user still uses PrE for editing, and then another program for the last step in the process - they are able to then do much more. The MOD there has even published a book on using one of the oft-recommended programs.
So, it just depends, and probably should be viewed on a case-by-case basis.
Not much direct help, regarding your question, but just some observations.
Hunt

How do I Search these forums?

Now, not wanting to sound stupid I've looked around carefully for a while before posting - I am unable to search these forums.
Yes, I tried the "search" box in the top right - it says "no shortcut found, try searching apple.com"
I made sure that I searched for a term that was obvious, EG: its in the title & text of a topic on the forums.
I pressed return & got some results - none of which are forum based.
I checked the help & info & it says "use the search box in the top right & forum posts will be listed under the forum discussions pane"
I think that's what I just did, but there is no discussions pane.
I can't believe that there is no search, nor that I am so stupid I can't search. So what's going on?
Did someone from Microsoft just redesign these forums? it's seems so....
Powerbook G4 1.67Mhz Mac OS X (10.4.10)

I found this link: http://discussions.apple.com/search!default.jspa
But, it always produces an Error...never the search page. Can anyone search yet? I miss that feature.
*Ahhh...just read the announcement thing...hope they get it back up and running again soon.

I have followed all the steps to fix this problem, but I do not receive texts on my new Galaxy 4 from iPhone users. I tried everything I was told and found in these forums. Still no luck.

I switched to Verizon in March 2014, from AT&T. I traded in my old iPhone4 for a Galaxy 4. Ever since, I am not getting text messages from anyone who has an iPhone unless they WORK for Verizon. I have deleted my phone from my apple profile and I don't own any other apple products. I switched to an Android because I was tired of Apple's proprietary ways. It seems not matter what I do, and I have done EVERYTHING suggested here on these forums. No luck. I am so frustrated. I have a very large family and almost everyone else has an iPhone. Even if they don't, I am not getting all their messages. I like the new Galaxy, but believe I have made a huge mistake switching carriers and phones, even though I hate Apple products.

Welcome to the Verizon family irishlass82! I know how important it is to stay in touch and we'll make sure that you don't regret your decision! Before trading in your device, did you turn off iMessage? In effort to correct this issue, text the word STOP to 48369.
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Polite use of these forums

To Apple Community Forum Moderators:
I have owned Apples for almost twenty years and periodically have found myself in need of advice on an Apple hardware issue, network compatibility, or Apple Application issue. The Apple website “recommends” that we go to these Forums for information it seems like a good idea. It has the potential to expand technical help to those of us that have a problem with using a Mac or an Apple application. However, in every case that I have accessed the Forum I have either viewed attacks by some of what I'll call the “loyal users” against others that note problems with Apple, or have been the object of nasty responses myself:
- Early on I engaged the Forum about the difficulty of getting Apples to work in a Windows Network Environment. When I got on I saw nasty comments about similar questions from other users chastising the user for being on a Windows network. Well there is little one can do about that. The institution's leadership decides on what kind of network will be used, not an individual user. To dismiss this problem is unrealistic at best and arrogant at worst.
- After Microsoft moved to Office 2007 and left Mac users in the lurch I purchased iWork based upon what users in the Forum were lauding about about the Suite and what Apple said about it. I found it limited (from what I could gain from being a new user) and sought out answers to questions I had. The equation editor (the industry standard) at the time could not be used in iWork. So I pointed this out on the Forum. I got flamed by this guy that said that this was not appropriate place to point out limitations. I pointed out that Apple Developers would be nuts not to monitor these forums so it would be appropriate to point out functional limitations for future versions of iwork. All I got from the moderator was that I shouldn't have posted it. Others in this thread were flamed because they wanted more functionality from Numbers. They were told that anyone who is serious about analysis would use another database program (Excel maybe? - they didn't identify what program that might be.)
- Just recently I sought out the Forum because I have had this laptop for two years and am having to replace my battery the second year in a row. I tried to get Apple Help on this after my first replacement and did (what I thought was) everything correct. Someone else was having a similar problem. I related my understanding of how to evaluate battery performance (cycle count), and pointed out that Apple has had a problem with defective batteries (most notably mine) and that users need to watch these metrics closely. Well apparently according to one reply post I mis-stated how to evaluate cycle count (though I think I am still correct on that – our IT people basically told me what to look for.) The reply was that I had not really read the manual on batteries. Well I did, though I could have misunderstood what the battery document was trying to say. Instead of accusing me of lying they could have elaborated on why my interpretation was mistaken.
Now in all these cases and more there are social forum communication flaws that Apple needs to be aware of. This flaw is a social pathology that is characteristic of the medium. First attacking a frustrated user is not a constructive exercise. There is a difference between a negative comment about Apple or its applications and negative comments directed toward users. A negative comment at an Apple Inc. product should not be viewed as some kind attack on all users or a violation of a misguided religious doctrine. It should be viewed as a window into a potential improvement. Apple should be “man enough” to take those graciously. This gives Apple a window into problems in either its Help Manuals or its design. Contrary to trying to stifle comments like this Apple should encourage this. (In fact after I complained about the inability of iWork to use Mathtype - Decision Sciences - an upgrade of iWork works with Mathtype.) In a similar manner Politicians in our state regularly lambast the University I work with. I don't have a problem with their attack on the Institution. It goes with the territory. I do have a problem if they focus on a particular faculty member. Apple Inc. can handle criticisms.
On the other hand the “loyal user's” attacks or nasty comments on users that are critical of Apple or frustrated users are another issue. We purchase the hardware or software and expect it to work based upon what we interpret from Apple advertising claims. It is not working the way it is advertised. We may not be accessing the computer correctly, accessing the Help Manuals correctly, using the Apps correctly, or there may be a problem with the product itself. That is why we go on these Forums. To get chastised or insulted by a “loyal user” does not solve our problem and it does not make us want to tell other people how great Macs are. (My experience with iWork pushed me to OpenOffice - which I am writing this letter in rather than Word or iWork.)
More importantly though it makes us very hesitant about engaging in this social forum about a problem we have with an App or hardware. Ultimately this could mean that many technical/business users such as myself will migrate away from Apple because they can't get the solution they need and the mere size of Apples competitors (e.g. Microsoft) means that user support is much more available. We can forego the nastiness by changing products.
Now this is not say that these issues I raise are unique to Apple Community Forums. I was just on an OpenOffice community forum and saw similar behavior so this really is a social pathology that is part of this form of communication. But moderators need to be aware of this pathology if the company wants users to rely on this medium for good advice. Apple hopefully views these forums as ways to see where they could improve products or add functionality to preserve or enhance market share as well as providing broad technical support. But moderators need to more forcefully impose politeness and gracious responses to users that may not sit well with the “loyal user” part of the community. Thanks.

Roger Coupal wrote:
However, in every case that I have accessed the Forum I have either viewed attacks by some of what I'll call the “loyal users” against others that note problems with Apple, or have been the object of nasty responses myself:
"Every" time? I waste a lot of time here and I very rarely see anything that could be construed as "nasty". I read through all of your postings and I can't find any response that could be considered "nasty" or an "attack". In one case you posted some incorrect information and a couple of people called you on it. That's life and it happens to the best of us. No need to get upset about it.
Early on I engaged the Forum about the difficulty of getting Apples to work in a Windows Network Environment. When I got on I saw nasty comments about similar questions from other users chastising the user for being on a Windows network. Well there is little one can do about that. The institution's leadership decides on what kind of network will be used, not an individual user. To dismiss this problem is unrealistic at best and arrogant at worst.
Maybe you should increase your participation. You've only posted 17 times in 3 years. If you were at Level 2 (pretty easy to reach) you would have the ability to automatically alert the moderators about any postings that violate the Apple Terms of Use. Until then, it would be better to notify the moderators via this forum about specific posting that you think are improper. Otherwise, it is just hearsay. Perhaps those postings were from known trolls or people who are otherwise "looking for a fight". People often only start posting here when they have problems and, unfortunately, they sometimes wait until they are already very angry and upset. When they start threads with an argumentative tone, it usually doesn't end well.
I can't really say much about Windows networking. All of MacOS X uses SAMBA, so if you can access it via xterm, you can access via the Finder. Maybe start a new thread with more details and keep trying. Windows networking is very complex and SAMBA is just an open-source reverse-engineering effort.
- After Microsoft moved to Office 2007 and left Mac users in the lurch I purchased iWork based upon what users in the Forum were lauding about about the Suite and what Apple said about it. I found it limited (from what I could gain from being a new user) and sought out answers to questions I had. The equation editor (the industry standard) at the time could not be used in iWork. So I pointed this out on the Forum. I got flamed by this guy that said that this was not appropriate place to point out limitations.
"Flamed"? Again, I read those messages. That was hardly being "flamed". Plus, it had nothing to do with you pointing out limitations.
I pointed out that Apple Developers would be nuts not to monitor these forums so it would be appropriate to point out functional limitations for future versions of iwork.
Sorry, but that is not correct. There is way too much disinformation here for developers at Apple to get meaningful information out of it. If people find bugs or limitations they are usually encouraged to contact Apple via the appropriate feedback channels to improve the products. That actually happened in your case.
No one outside Apple really knows if Apple does or does not read these forums. The official word is that they don't and I accept that. This is a user-to-user tech support forum. It is not a place to complain, report bugs, or suggest enhancements. There are better places for that. This discussion forum is meant to help end-users, not Apple. Apple is a big, multinational corporation with lots of money. They have people whose job it is to track down complains, fix bugs, and enhance products.
All I got from the moderator was that I shouldn't have posted it.
There was no moderator posting in that thread. You can identify Apple employee by the Apple logo under their name.
Others in this thread were flamed because they wanted more functionality from Numbers. They were told that anyone who is serious about analysis would use another database program (Excel maybe? - they didn't identify what program that might be.)
You are the one who mentioned Excel. Someone correctly pointed out that if you are already a user of advanced Excel features you might not be happy with a 1.0 application like Numbers. Excel is 25 years old. No one expects Numbers to match it for functionality. But it might be easier for casual users than Excel. Again, there was no flaming going on.
The reply was that I had not really read the manual on batteries. Well I did, though I could have misunderstood what the battery document was trying to say. Instead of accusing me of lying they could have elaborated on why my interpretation was mistaken.
They didn't accuse you of lying and they did elaborate on why your interpretation was mistaken. You provided misinformation and suggested people take their batteries in to the Apple store for a problem that doesn't exist.
Now in all these cases and more there are social forum communication flaws that Apple needs to be aware of. This flaw is a social pathology that is characteristic of the medium.
I think Apple is well aware of that. That is why they have a good system of moderation that they have been working on for several years. This forum is much better than anything you will find anywhere else. I'm sorry, but you have no idea what a true "flame" really is
First attacking a frustrated user is not a constructive exercise. There is a difference between a negative comment about Apple or its applications and negative comments directed toward users. A negative comment at an Apple Inc. product should not be viewed as some kind attack on all users or a violation of a misguided religious doctrine.
Sometimes people just want to vent. It is pretty clear when someone starts a thread where they don't really want a solution but just want to complain. I always try to give them a solution, while at the same time tearing down all their logical fallacies. Sometimes they are just frustrated and are happy to get the problem resolved. Sometimes they take the bait and keep fighting. Either I've solved someone's problem or I have provided a solution to some jerk who then won't accept it just because it came from me. Either way I'm pleased.
It should be viewed as a window into a potential improvement. Apple should be “man enough” to take those graciously. This gives Apple a window into problems in either its Help Manuals or its design.
Again, you are assuming Apple reads these forums. They don't. These forums are for your benefit, not Apple's.
To get chastised or insulted by a “loyal user” does not solve our problem and it does not make us want to tell other people how great Macs are.
I gave up evangelizing a long time ago. At this point, everyone knows about Macs. If people are too boneheaded to use Macs, I'm content to let them suffer with Windows or Linux.
(My experience with iWork pushed me to OpenOffice - which I am writing this letter in rather than Word or iWork.)
Really? Safari has really nice text editing features with a built-in spell checker. Also, what's wrong with Word? You are obviously a power user, why not use Office? Microsoft got their start with Office, which started out as a Mac program and is still one of the best Mac programs you can buy.
I was just on an OpenOffice community forum and saw similar behavior so this really is a social pathology that is part of this form of communication.
So, in other words, you just invalidated your whole thesis?
But moderators need to more forcefully impose politeness and gracious responses to users that may not sit well with the “loyal user” part of the community.
Moderators really only get involved when there are violations of the terms of use. Being polite is part of that, but graciousness isn't. I think if you continue to post and start answering questions you will soon be able to easily report postings you think are "impolite". Hopefully, when you get to that level, you will be able to better identify a true "flame".

I used to champion these forums. Now I don't give a gnat's...

I was a contributor, a corrector, a clarifier.
I'd write 1,500 words explaining every possible angle on the simplest of topics, sometimes revealing tricks to people who have far more experience with Photoshop than I do. I exercised painstaking detail in choosing the proper terminology and phrasing when answering questions, and I'd test everything to make sure what I posted was correct. I was an obsessive re-editor of my posts if I noticed the wording was wrong, or didn't flow well. I'd craft screen shot composites so clean you couldn't tell they weren't monitor images that could occur natively. I added arrows, and numbering, and translucent, colored-box paragraph backgrounds for descriptors, colors chosen for the best clarity I could muster. I'd bodge together difficult GIF animations and QT Movies if it would help a user understand a concept more completely.
I was a defender, a protector, an evangelist.
I took it personally when newbies and spammers would come in and muck the place up. I was sometimes brusque, other times gentle in trying to bring people into line with how to get the most out of their time here. I beat up on troublemakers ruthlessly, and without remorse.
I brought the "How to Get Help Quickly" mantra to this forum after reading it elsewhere, because it was the best exposition I'd ever seen on the subject of efficient information exchange.
I'd take the time to help troubleshoot forum problems.
Now, I don't give a crap about what happens to this place. I'd been hoping for the best, as I had during past attempts at major forum changes.
It's clear to me now that the planning, preparation, roll-out and fine tuning has been doomed from the start.
Every single person involved in ramming this new system through is to blame.
And I'm only one person. I'd guess there are hundreds of people who feel the same way I do.
Too bad, Adobe. You totally and completely screwed up.
I'll still visit once in awhile, because there are people here that I like.
But as for all that content I was giving away for free—and happily, I might add—and all the cheerleading I did for this place?
You can shove all that right up that gnat's arse and then go sit on your own thumbs and spin.
It feels to me like you are intentionally doing almost everything in your power to discourage the type of participation I used to revel in. From slow bug fixes and promises unkept (EFF you very much, Jive–shysters) to the mere trickle of ongoing feedback and update info offhandedly tossed to us, Adobe have become slumlords, slapping paint on a building that fails to meet standard-of-living code. Sure, there are some decent new features, but they either don't work, work only part of the time, are cumbersome, and generally regarded as so slow as to inhibit any sort of lively momentum.
I'd be ashamed and embarrassed to be the captain of this rotting ship. As a fully vested, ranking mate on this vessel, I hereby resign my commission.
You don't deserve my help anymore.

Phos, although I am answering your opening message, I'm not really addressing this message to you, but to everyone.
Almost exactly a month ago, I accepted the first important job I have been offered in more that two years. I did although it had a 30 days deadline and I knew it was very difficult, if not impossible, to complete it in that time. Well, I did manage to finish it not long ago, and one of the first things I did was to come back to my once beloved forums, full of hope of being met with some important changes introduced in these 30 days.
I am sorry to say that, so far, I have noticed only these two changes:
1. The "Report spam..." link in the stickies now points to the correct thread, not to a locked one, something I had been asking for weeks before this 30 days interlude; and
2. The problem for which I offered a suggestion in this post
http://forums.adobe.com/message/1968406#1968406
and which had received a very good solution as I reported two days later, is back here. Plus, the "Next" button doesn't work (I don't remember if it worked before the change that was reverted).
As this forum is full of so many easy to fix complaints, seeing only these two changes in 30 days -one of which can hardly be called an improvement- was really very discouraging. However, what really got me down was reading the opening post of this thread.
Those who haven't followed Phos' trajectory in these forums may think that he is making false pretences, or at least exagerating, about his contributions to these forums. I am one of those who can testify that he is doing neither.
To make it short: over these so many years trying to give whatever modest help I'm capable of in the Acrobat and Reader forums, I lost count of the times I asked Phos, somewhat jokingly, to please leave the easy questions for me to answer. Each time I saw a just published easy one, I rushed to try to answer it, only to find he had done a much better job than my attempt, and had replied a several other more recent questions in the meantime. He showed an infinite patience to answer the same questions over and over again, which I admired because I don't have it and just refered the questioner to the appropriate FAQ instead -when I did manage to post before he did.
And he did everything else he writes in his OP, never boasting about what he did and accomplished. That's why I am sorry he had to do it now, I imagine that in an attempt to put some weight to his words. Not for us, of course, but for those responsible for this unbelievably large fiasco they have so stubbornly refused to acknowledge. And we used to call a fiasco the previous one, which was nothing compared with this mess, and which was rectified!
I am afraid that I am feeling my age, and so I'm finding that the enormous effort that too many very capable users have being putting in suggestions to improve these new forums, since the last "little fiasco" until now, to be such an gigantic waste, that I also don't feel like continuing. Had I not had this 30 days interlude with no noticeable changes, I would probably have continued by inertia for much longer, hopefully waiting for the improvements that never come, but this has opened my eyes. However, just logging in, or moving from one forum to another, is so excruciatingly slow that I find I simply do not have enough time to waste in just waiting for things to happen.
I will miss the group spirit of the old forums, and the many persons I got to know and like and care for, although knowing that I would never meet them. But then, I am missing more of them everyday and, after all, such is life.
Just a final thought. It is most probably true that JC has spent this week in the moutains. I would be happy to be corrected if I'm wrong, but I would say his presence has hardly been noticed, if at all, for quite a lot longer than a week. Another one of those many not at all encouraging signs.

Posting script code in these forums

OK, it looks like there are some (new) formatting issues with these forums when people try to post their scripts. I have been using a formatter script that converts the text on the clipboard to HTML and then wraps it in a pre tag, but there still seems to be some issues with certain characters. The following script has worked for me so far (although I don't post that much) - what other scripts or methods work for you?
<pre title="this text can be pasted into the Script Editor" style="font-family: Monaco, 'Courier New', Courier, monospace; font-size: 10px; padding: 5px; width: 720px; color: #000000; background-color: #E0E0E0; overflow: auto">-- script formatter
property TempFile : "SF_TempFile" -- a temporary work file
property TheWidth : "width: 720px; " -- a width attribute (deprecated in HTML 4.01)
try
set TheClipboard to (the clipboard) as string
set MyOpenFile to open for access ("/tmp/" & TempFile & ".txt" as POSIX file) with write permission
set eof of MyOpenFile to 0 -- empty the temp file
write TheClipboard to MyOpenFile
close access MyOpenFile
-- convert to HTML - see man textutil
do shell script "cd /tmp/; textutil -convert html -excludedelements '(html, head, title, body, p, span, font)' -encoding US-ASCII " & TempFile & ".txt"
-- strip the first line (<?xml ?>) and add the <pre>...</pre> wrapper
set TheText to rest of (paragraphs of (read ("/tmp/" & TempFile & ".html" as POSIX file))) as text
set TheText to "<pre title=\"this text can be pasted into the Script Editor\" style=\"font-family: Monaco, 'Courier New', Courier, monospace; font-size: 10px; padding: 5px; " & TheWidth & "color: #000000; background-color: #E0E0E0; overflow: auto\">" & TheText & "</pre>"
set the clipboard to TheText
display dialog ((count TheText) as text) & " characters placed on the clipboard" with title "Script Formatted" buttons {"OK"} default button "OK" giving up after 4
on error ErrorMessage number ErrorNumber
display alert "Error " & (ErrorNumber as string) message ErrorMessage as warning buttons {"OK"} default button "OK"
end try</pre>

Hello red_menace,
Indeed a pre-processing code like yours is always an option for us, but from my point of view, the correct solution is for the discussions' admins to disable this meddlesome formatting feature of the new fora software.
This new feature affects not only new posts but also the existing messages in the fora, that means it has rendered quite a few useful messages totally useless. This is actually serious data loss caused by the thoughtless software. And for what?
After all, these discussions' boards are not chat rooms where people might want some simple input methods for fancy text formattings, but technical support fora where people frequently post programming codes, computer outputs and so forth that have many reserved symbols and notation.
I really wish they may fix this promptly.
Best regards,
Hiroto

Problem with these forums

I don't know that this is necessarily a Safari issue, but I wasn't sure where to post it. I've got an odd display problem on these forums. When I click the My Posts link, I see odd formatting problems if one of my posts included a link or a smiley in the first few lines. Take a look at the screen shot below for an example:
!http://web.mac.com/thomasareed/forum_issue.png!
If I look at the source for this, it looks like the href attribute for the link gets cut off and is not properly closed, meaning that everything until the width="1%" attribute on the td for the next post's number is lost.
I've also noticed a couple times where one page of posts will end with a number like 28 and the next page picks up with 30, but where was 29? I suspect it's probably related to the above problem.
Is anyone else seeing this? I find it hard to believe that Apple would have left a problem like this for as long as I've been seeing this, yet I am not sure what other possible explanations there could be. Any ideas? If it's a forum bug, how do I report that? I can't find any way.
Thanks in advance!

ali brown wrote:
To check for activity, instead of My Posts, you can open Your Subscriptions, where Threads with new entries are marked with a .
Well, the problem with that is that I don't want to subscribe to every thread I post to... I don't want to get e-mail notifications that the thread has been updated.
And Thank You, for extending the courtesy, of awarding in  Discussions, as this is not a requirement, nor mandatory, but is much appreciated!
LOL, no problem! I sometimes wonder how some of you guys have gotten up to level 4 and 5, given how infrequently people actually assign stars...

What is the time used in these forums?

One would tend to assume that the time shown in these forums (for example, the posting times) refer to the USA, although this could be wrong. However, there are (I think) four different time zones in that country. Maybe for the natives it is quite clear what "8:13 AM" means, but it is not at all clear for at least this one inhabitant of another country. Even acronyms such as EPT (I am not sure if I recall this correctly from the old forums) don't mean much to me.
Wouldn't it be a good idea to specify in some clear way what time being used in these forums?

Claudio González wrote:
My reason for asking is that some things simply don't check. At the time of writing this message, the first topic in the list was the "What are forum points..." one, with 35 replies and the last one by Jhabrix 9 minutes ago. However, if I open the thread, I see that the last message is #35 (i.e., no posts have been deleted), it is posted by Jhabrix, but at 11:51 AM. As it's now a few minutes past 2 PM here, that's quite a lot more than 9 minutes...
Claudio, it's just like I said before, all of the information produced by Jiveware is unreliable--more often wrong than not. I'm not even joking around now. It goes for virtually every statistic and piece of automated information here (because it's the most buggy software known to man ). They just don't test enough, they obviously don't care, and they sure as heck can't write correctly functioning software. The whole forum, front and backend, appears to be behave like an overengineered software mess.
(There's a Java backend on this trash. And Java developers wonder why everyone thinks they are incompetent... since there are so many Java devs around--being the most popular language--there's always people like the Jive script kiddies to give the ones that know what they're doing a bad name.)
As for the time it's using, it probably syncs up to the time on Planet Jive--where even the Jives can't agree on what time it is because every answer is "correct"!

Dear Oracle: PLEASE improve the SEARCH on these forums!!!

Subject: Dear Oracle: PLEASE improve the SEARCH on these forums!!!
I have been getting frustrated using the search on these forums. I find the content very useful (especially as I cannot seem to find any other forums for Oracle Portal) but the search facility is very poor.
Firstly, the Search will on search for an exact match in the body of the messages, not the subject at all! This is very annoying as people usually sum-up there question in the subject and often do not repeat the subject in the message.
Secondly, the search looks for exact matches of your search string, so searching for more than one word become difficult. Bascially, it does only an exact match, not a word search, so forget about using keywords to search on as you would do in every other search engine and be very carful of the order of your words, you'll get a completly different set of results by swaping the order of your words... :(
eg. Selecting "ALL FORUMS", try searching for "Customizing Change Password Page". no hits? ok try "Customizing Password" still no hits? ok try "Customizing the Password". still no hits? ok just try "customizing". You get 10 Pages of 20 (Oracle conviently puts them over 10 pages so you cannot view them all on a html page and do your own secondary search using CTRL-F). Well, this is too many, lets just try "Change Password". again 20 x 10+ pages. At least this time we've got some that also have the work customizing in the subject. If only we got here on the first search... Don't even think of adding the word "PDK" or "Example" to your search...
I have already provided feedback to Oracle on this matter (and am still waiting for a reply). If you would also like the search improved, please also send Oracle some feedback and make this forum more useful. If enough people pester them they might think it's important enought to change. link below:
http://otn.oracle.com/contact/htdocs/feedback.htm
Cheers,
Tim.
P.S. In the meantime, does anyone know of any other good Portal forums?

Couldn't agree more, if only the search was as good as on Metalink...

These forums are very, very difficult to use.

Hi,
I don't know where to pose these questions. I'm going nuts with these forums, specifically the InDesign forum. I've sent multiple emails to "[email protected]," but, nobody responds.
I have to close down Safari and go back in three or four times before I can get the forum link to work. It's just dead there.
I no longer get email notifications when someone has answered a question I posed. I have to manually go into the forum every half hour or so to see if anyone's responded. The forum used to be much "healthier" in that regard. I was always notified when I got a response from anyone.
I opened a discussion yesterday. But, today, there's no way for me to continue or see that discussion anymore. Only the most current discussions are shown. And, there's no visible way for me to see any "old" ones.
Thanks,
Peter

I use Internet Explorer 11 with Win 8.1 and do not have the problems you describe
Most people complain about Unwanted Email notices
Did you by any chance do as it says here to STOP notices?
Oh... and you do not receive an actual email, you receive a notice in the orange circle to the left of your avatar picture at the top right of the forum screen
Click your avatar picture near the upper right corner (slightly to the left of the pencil) and select PREFERENCES then set all Email Preferences to OFF and click Save at the bottom left
AND
Another new "feature" is that Jive7 is oriented toward social networking... so every time you start or reply to a message you are automatically added to a FOLLOW list... meaning you receive a notification of every subsequent message in that thread

I keep trying to get MS to fix these forums

For the 4th time in a week MS has lost my email. These forums are getting worse and worse to deal with and posting in the forum that is supposed to about these problems is met with a deafening nothingness from MS!
Is there anyone monitoring this forum that can get to someone at MS that cares?
Or does anyone at MS care?
Lloyd Sheen

Hi Lloyd,
Thanks for letting us know your pain when using MSDN forums.
I just reviewed few of your previous post about forum issues. Thanks very much for posting them which are definitely helpful for us to improve the platform.
I do understand your feeling, and I think I will also feel bad if I encounter this kind of issues. However, I would like to let you know that the development team for forum platform is trying to make the site more useful and stable, since I've been engaged
to collect user's feedback.
Customer is always our first priority, so we do care about users on the platform and user experience when we working on this platform. I will send your feedback(including previous ones) to the PM who is driving this directly.
To well manage the WPF forum, I will ask our moderators to move this thread to forum platform support queue. I will keep monitoring on this.
Thanks again for your feedback and cooperation!
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