Non-controllable device/ audio video still out of sync?

importing dv tape with time code breaks.
i was told that by setting "non-controllable device" that fc would ignore time code and import without sync problems. is this possible ?
thanks to you guys who helped me on my previous post.

"i was told that by setting "non-controllable device" that fc would ignore time code and import without sync problems. is this possible ?"
I don't know about that - what is your device ? A deck - a cam, or ...

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