Opinions about different WMs?

Hi, Archers. I have been reading this forum for quite a long time and I am wondering as there are so many window managers, what are their pros and cons?
I know that there are tiling WM, such as dwm, wmii, ratpoison, awesome, ion3 and xmonad. dwm seems like the fastest one but it needs re-compiling to change the configuration, while xmonad looks like the most 'modern' one and with the best extendability.
As non-tiling WM, there are E17, Openbox, Fluxbox, IceWM, FVWM and many others I cannot remember, all of them claim themselves as 'lightning fast' WMs. So, would you mind sharing your idea on: Which one is faster? Which one has good balance between performance and appearance (or usability)? Which one has many good themes avaliable?
Thanks ahead.

hk2717 wrote:What I'm seeking is users that have extensive experience between different WMs and how they judge the characteristics of each WM and the differences between them.
Well, in the end it's all about personal taste, so if you answer to that you are bound to make subjective statements. What buttons and dolby said is right, the best way to find 'your' wm is to try out different ones... sometimes you can't point out which features you like/dislike just from a description or a screenshot.
buttons wrote:Pretty much everything else can easily make the claim "lightning fast."
I agree. If you have an up to date pc, you don't notice major speed differences.
I'll give you a few hints about the wm's that I used.
Gnome(metacity)/KDE(kwin)
They have the typical advantage of a desktop environment, they feel 'complete out of the box' because all apps are well integrated and functional. Probably the best choice for newcomers and work dedicated tasks (were you just want a functional system). The downside is that they're bloated which can be really irritating... they have apps for nearly everything to give you a 'complete' desktop but if you know what you want (-> experienced user) you'll want to kickout all the other stuff to organize the chaos. Sure, you can start modding around until you only have the parts you want but I see no reason to do that when there are other alternatives (see xfce).
xfce(xfwm)
It has the advantage of a desktop environment but it's pretty minimal compared to KDE/Gnome. If you already know what apps etc you want to use and like the 'standard' behavior and assembling of wm's that are common, xfce is a good wm to start building your customized system. The build in compositing manager is also pretty nice and resource friendly.
subjective side note: overall my favourite wm
e17/e16
I have no up to date information on e17 because I haven't used it for a while. My last impression was that it is to buggy for everyday use.
side note: e17 is hell for theme creators... I've never spend that much time on a single theme than for my e17 theme. xD
I have no up to date infos for e16 either but it's a nice and simple wm (comparable to the *box wm's) which can be quite useful when you have the time to configure it properly... but it's probably outdated now.
*box
If you like it really simple but don't want a tiling wm, they're probably you're choice. They're not usable out of the box, so you need time to set them up properly (create menus, start scripts etc). I've used blackbox for a long time but it's pretty outdated. The last box wm I used was openbox and it's definitely recommendable.
However, I would recommend it only to people who don't mind fiddling with configs.
tiling wm's
Pure minimalism... nothing for people who are afraid of the cli, hate editing config files and expect eye candy. I think that I can't say something objective about the major approach, the window-tiling, about these wm's. You like it or you hate it, it's probably that simple. However, if you're familiar with the key bindings, the usability and using-speed is really great!
I've only used dwm and awesome up until now. Since awesome is a dwm clone, they're pretty comparable. The major difference is that awesome has a config file and when you edit it, all you have to do is to press a key combo to apply the changes. When you want to change the dwm config, you've to recompile it every time... that's why I would recommend awesome.
Xmonad looks promising as well, but haskell looks weird! ^^
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With Windows 1.0?
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