Optional Vertical Space Character

Paragraphs can have a "space before" and "space after" attribute, as you probably know. The nice thing about this is that if the paragraph is at the top of the page, the space before disappears.
I would like to have a vertical space character that does the same. You insert it into a line by itself (Type>Special Characters>Vertical Spacer). It makes a vertical gap based on the leading you give it.
BUT! if it appears as the top line of a text frame, it will disappear.
Why is this good? Because it saves having to create a lot of paragraph styles to deal with each situation. For instance, currnetly, I may need the following styles:
Block Quote Standalone [space before and space after]
Block Quote beginning [space before no space after]
Block Quote Middle [no space before no space after]
Block Quote End [no space before space after]
Block Quote Standalone Indented
Block Quote beginning Indented
Block Quote Middle Indented
Block Quote End Indented
That's 8 styles all for the different combinations of block quotes. If I had a "vertical space" character, I would need only two styles:
Block Quote; and
Block Quote Indented.
Much easier to manage! The variations could be simply managed by inserting a vertical spacer as needed. Really useful idea, and similar to the way dedicated typesetting systems used to work several decades ago.
Thanks,
Ariel

Perhaps. Not sure I understand. Could you elaborate?
But let me explain. Here's an example. A regular long block quote will need 3 styles, depending on whether there needs to be a line space before or after the paragraph:
     BlockQuoteBeginning BlockQuoteBeginning BlockQuoteBeginning
BlockQuoteBeginning BlockQuoteBeginning BlockQuoteBeginning
BlockQuoteBeginning BlockQuoteBeginning BlockQuoteBeginning
BlockQuoteBeginning BlockQuoteBeginning BlockQuoteBeginning
     BlockQuoteMiddle BlockQuoteMiddle BlockQuoteMiddle BlockQuoteMiddle
BlockQuoteMiddle BlockQuoteMiddle BlockQuoteMiddleBlockQuoteMiddle
BlockQuoteMiddleBlockQuoteMiddleBlockQuoteMiddleBlockQuoteMiddle
    BlockQuoteEnd BlockQuoteEnd BlockQuoteEnd BlockQuoteEnd
BlockQuoteEnd BlockQuoteEnd BlockQuoteEnd BlockQuoteEnd
BlockQuoteEnd BlockQuoteEnd BlockQuoteEnd BlockQuoteEnd
And then you need a separate style for a standalone block quote, that needs a line space both above and below. So that's 4 common styles.
Then, occassionally, each of these for will sometimes not need indentation. So that's another four styles.
Also, if the book requires block quotes in footnotes (a bad idea, IMHO, but the choice is not up to me), that's another 8 styles for the same reason.
The forced line break that you mention, if I've understood correctly, wouldn't work with justified paragraphs, since it will force the line before the forced break to be fully justified?
Ariel

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Hi,
Just wondering if anyone knows if there exists, in IDCS4, some sort of way
of creating vertical space between paragraphs that will not appear if the
paragraph happens to begin at the top of the page.
Obviously, until now I've been using paragraph styles. But some kind of
vertical space marker would be so much simpler. You could have one for a
half-line height, or a full-line height and just insert them as necessary.
If not, any workarounds except for paragraph styles?
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Win XPSP3, IDCS4ME

Yes. Harbs idea is simpler than mine, because you don't have to fiddle with
textwrap settings.
So to summarize:
1. disable Skip by leading in preferences.
2. make sure the text frame you're working in has "First Baseline" set to
exact or leading.
2. create a line the length of the gap you wish.
3. cut and paste it at the beginning of the paragraph above which a gap
should appear.
4. Set it to an "above line" anchored object (or better, create an object
style to do this at a keystroke)
(If at some stage the leading changes, with CS4 you can do a search and
replace for the length of the line.)
I think that's pratical enough to be useable.
Here's a quote from "The Complete Manual of Typography" by James Felici,
published by Adobe Press:
"Dedicated typesetting systems typically had a command that let you add a
vertical space band of whatever width werever you wanted. Such a space band
was an independent entity, not tied to any paragraph. The software
recoginized it as a role-playing spacing element, and when that role wasn't
required-[as at the beginning of a page]-it would ignore the vrtical space
band. Unfortunately, this facility has yet to find its way into popular
desktop systems."
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Hi. I'm a fairly new InDesign user and have just this past week learned about anchored objects, threading text frames, numbered lists, and some other fun options. So far InDesign has done most everything I need fairly elegantly. However, I have not been able solve one issue.
In my book I have numerous pages that have this issue; I'll just describe one case. On this page there are 4 graphics running down the right side of the page. These are not anchored graphics. They do have text wrap defined on the left side and bottom. There is text that wraps lovely on the left.
Each of these four graphics has a specific paragraph it needs to top align with. However, the text it aligns with may not take up as much vertical space as the graphic does. When I anchor each graphic with the paragraph it needs to align with, the four graphics overlap each other.
At the moment, to make it look right, I have placed each graphic individually and added a blank paragraph above each paragraph of text that should align with a graphic and use the Space Above of each blank paragraph to have it align with the graphic.
I'm not even sure what to search to try and solve this. I looked briefly into compound paths, but that didn't look like it would help.
I hope this is clear and thank you for any assistance at all.
Andrea

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It's not entirely accurate, as it uses the font size to do a minimal adjustment where it actually should use the font's cap height -- but you cannot get to that through scripting. This final adjustment is necessary because ID does know the baseline, and your first line ought to dip just below this to have the top of the first line aligned to the top of the image.
//DESCRIPTION:Align paragraph with image.
// Jongware, 15-Jul-2010
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          if (pg instanceof Spread || pg instanceof Page)
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Imbedded graphics taking too much vertical space in HTML preview

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thank you all
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Michael Fesser wrote:
> .oO(Osgood)
>
>> Michael Fesser wrote:
>>> .oO(Osgood)
>>>
>>>> Not really sure why you're using a 'strict'
doc type.
>>> Better and cleaner code.
>> It can be..... depends how well you know html.
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>
> I see it this way: If I want to write clean and
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>> different league to others.
>
> Sure, I am. I always try to write as valid and
meaningful code as
> possible. For me it's not only about "working" in the
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who are new to html to
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>
> Especially those who are new to HTML should learn it
correctly, right
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meaningful and
> properly structured code without relying on deprecated
1980's stuff.
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Pole before
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>> As you say it requires a little more thought that
isn't
>> strictly necessary. A well composed 'transitional'
page will display and
>> perform equally as well as a 'strict' page with less
issues involved.
>
> Browsers will (try to) display even the worst crap.
Enough said. What appears in the browser is what really
counts.

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