Outline fonts

I do a lot of menus with pictures as backgrounds (depicting the theme of the video). The problem is that where colors change the menu selection buttons are hard to read, they blend in. I do several menus with dozens of buttons so its too much work to individually color each letter.
Outlining the fonts the way I can in FCP menus would be great, alas I cant with DVDSP 3.
Does DVDSP 4 do outlining on the fonts??
Thanks

I am not sure how to make custom buttons. I am currently using a button that has a line over the selected button and a line under the selected text. It also can be set to put a highlighted background behind the button (when selected). This a very easy to see button, even when using small fonts (which I have to do).
I have a lot of buttons to make. If one was made with an outlined font in photoshop and I import it into DVDSP can I make duplicates in DVDSP and just change the text or do I have to make Each button in photoshop?
( Can someone make me one button and send to me)
Thanks
G5 Mac OS X (10.3.9)

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4) Move the folder (follow the link with that name) with Illy closed (more tedious but also more thorough and reversible);
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I have a customer, requesting a print ready version of their artwork. But they have now come back asking for the fonts to be un-pathed [not outlined].
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Hi all,
I normally outline my fonts to avoid any hassles but I have created a design that has very thin type and when I outline it makes it too fat - bleh!
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ScottWeichert wrote:
Live fonts do contain hinting which is sent to the RIP. Outlines don't contain any hinting. Hinting is exceptionally helpful at smaller type sizes. Outlines are really not the same as live type.
Every glyph in a font is a drawn character. Hinting smoothes display appearance. It could play a role in a RIP for a digital press, which relies on composite output and no separate plates for each ink. These devices treat fonts differently from dumb art, to compensate for a lower resolution output.
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To see if hinting affects the shape,the small shape must be enlarged proportionally to the larger glyph size, or the larger glyph shrunk proportionally to the smaller size.
Doing this, you may find that the two shapes match, or perhaps they don't. But it doesn't matter either way. When you outline fonts on output, the font doesn't get outlined, then resized - it just gets outlined. And the outline should be true to the vector shape of the glyph, no matter what the size is.
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Advantages of live fonts in PDF output:
1. The PDF looks worlds better on screen. This is an extremely important point. The live font looking proper means less questions and concerns, less banter is time saved.
2. The font being in the PDF means that changes to the PDF are possible. Many printers prefer the fonts to be embedded whole instead of subset, and certainly not outlined. This can be a time saver. It can come down to the printer having to do one of three things - make a simple text change, try to match an outlined font to make the change, or wait on a new file. If the printer has the embedded font, the job can go to press faster.
3. File size of PDF is smaller, making file transfer faster. It can be the difference between email or FTP in some cases.
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5. If the designer chooses to outline the native art, he has to save a duplicate copy. If he uses the flattener to outline fonts, he's increasing his output time. Preserving live text, you avoid these issues.
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3. Even if the designer does not outline, there is a good chance the printer will. He will probably not do it in Illustrator, more than likely text outlining would be an automated part of a separate workflow system. For example in the packaging industry, PDF files are often imported into Art Pro, with vectorize text enabled. So in that case, a designer who outlines his text beforehand might be choosing Illustrator's outline capability, instead of relying on the printer's outline capability.
4. If the printer uses a vector trapping engine, any traps around text will be vector art, not fonts. Sometimes fonts mixed with vector traps can be problematic. Again if the printer feels like fonts are an issue, he's probably outlining the text before trapping.
5. File integrity is an issue for some designers. Maybe they're afraid that a competing designer might snag a PDF. If the fonts are all outlined, figuring out the fonts is certainly possible, but it's harder than simply pulling up the font list in Acrobat.
6. Some printers demand PDFs with all transparency flattened. If live fonts are retained in flattened PDFs, you can end up with live glyphs that are clipping masks for images. Such a configuration is similar to a live font in Photoshop output. Anyone who deals with fonts in Photoshop output knows that the construction is pretty hopeless (Photoshop can't even embed a complete font). It is best not to have live text playing the role of a clipping mask for contone data.
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Hi all. I have a query regarding PDF creation from InDesign (so this could have been in the Acrobat section instead but went for this one).
I work for a publisher using CS2+3 on PCs. We don't have one out of house printer as a rule but several. All have different requirements.
Essentially we are converting fonts to curves from within InDesign when creating the PDFs. Therefore we have multiple files (curved and text) which is adding lots of time onto projects and adding a further margin for error with missing or out of date files. It seems this process is necessary as whenever I select the option to outline the fonts when creating the PDFs, the printers usually get in touch asking for the font, even though it has been outlined.
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But this is really a mystery to me:
It seems this process is necessary as whenever I select the option to outline the fonts when creating the PDFs, the printers usually get in touch asking for the font, even though it has been outlined.
Tr this: outline all text in your ID document. Export as PDF. Check under Document Properties, Fonts. How many fonts do you see? If everything is outlined, there shouldn't be any.
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You are welcome, Emilie.
If you ever encounter a seemingly hopeless case, you may try a number of websites for font determination, such as
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http://www.identifont.com/
http://new.myfonts.com/WhatTheFont/
http://www.bowfinprintworks.com/ScriptIDGuide.html (Script fonts)
or show and ask in the Typography forum,
http://forums.adobe.com/community/design_development/typography?view=discussions&start=0
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I have outlined text in Adobe Acrobat X (i.e.: 10) for some time, and used "Watermark" and Print Production to outline text.
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Hi theonlineprinter
See if the steps on the below link helps you : https://bestfontforward.wordpress.com/2012/07/27/outlining-text-in-adobe-acrobat-x/
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