Output determination for Customer Account group - A brain teaser

At the place of configuration for Account groups, there is a field called Output Determination which has values like DB001, DB002 etc which says output for sold to, ship to and so on...
What is the purpose of maintaining output determination procedure at the account group level?
And also, where can i do the complete output determination for it? Like i could see Output determination for sales activities, sales documents, billing documents and shipping...But no where in the img screen, i found a place where i can configure these? Any ideas?

In SAP, we send different output types(read documents) for Inquiries, quotations, orders etc. to relevant partners (read contact persons) sold-to party, ship-to party etc. thru various transmission mediums like ex. Print, Fax, e-mail etc.
Output can be determined by using component output determination procedure. System should know from where the output is to be determined whether from IMG or from customer A/C group. This is depended upon the control that we can activate or deactivate in "Check access for condition type" in definition of the output type (T.Code: NV03)
Output Determination:
IMG > Sales and Distribution > Basic Functions > Output Control > Output Determination Output Determination Using the Condition Technique > Maintain Output Determination for Sales activities/ Sales Documents etc.
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AK
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Account Group
Maintain Number Range for Account Group
Use
The purpose of this activity is to control number range of Account Group.
Procedure
 Access the activity using one of the following navigation options:
IMG --> Financial Accounting (New)  Accounts Receivable and Accounts Payable  Customer Accounts  Master Data  Preparations for Creating Customer Master Data  Create Number Ranges for Customer Accounts  Select the Icon to maintain Number Range
Transaction Code SPRO
Data to be maintained:
No | From | To | Current No | Ext (Tick in Check Box)
01 | 0000000001 | 0000099999 | 0 | No
02 | 0000100000 | 0000299999 | 0 | No
XX | A | ZZZZZZZZZZ | Yes
Assign Number Range to Account Group
Use
The purpose of this activity is to maintain number range of Account Group.
Procedure
 Access the activity using one of the following navigation options:
IMG --> Financial Accounting (New)  Accounts Receivable and Accounts Payable  Customer Accounts  Master Data  Preparations for Creating Customer Master Data  Assign Number Ranges to Customer Account Groups
Transaction Code SPRO
 Data to be maintained:
Group | Name | Number Range
0001 | Sold-to party | XX
0002 | Goods recipient | XX
0003 | Payer | XX
0004 | Bill-to party | XX
Define Account Groups with Screen Layout (Customers)
Use
In this step, you determine the account group of the customer.
Procedure
Access the activity using one of the following navigation options:
IMG --> Financial Accounting (New)  Accounts Receivable and Accounts Payable  Customer Accounts  Master Data  Preparations for Creating Customer Master Data  Define Account Groups with Screen Layout (Customers)
Transaction Code SPRO
The groups indicated below are a few examples. There are many groups in Standard SAP & if we require additional Group, it can be copied from appropriate group & maintained.
Group | Name
0001 | Sold-to party
0002 | Goods recipient
0003 | Payer
0004 | Bill-to party
0005 | Prospective customer
0006 | Competitor
Select Sold-to-party  go to Details  Double Click on General data / Company code data / Sales data. It will take to next screen which details Tab Pages of General data / Company code data / Sales data. Double Click on Tab Page for example: Address, Control, Marketing & so on. Here you can maintain whether the field is to be Suppress, Req. Entry, Opt. entry or Display
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Rajesh Banka
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We would like to change the number range assignment for a customer account group from internal to external. The external number range assignment check box is greyed out as a few numbers in the range have already been used up. We want to do the internal to external assignemnt change, create a customer of a specific number, and revert the range back to internal assignment. Is this possible?
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Ram

Hi,
Please do the below steps:-
(1) Go to XDN1 and click on "Maintain status" button. Note down the current status and change the status to zero. Save.
(2) Again go to SDN1 and click on "Maintain No. Range" button, and change the no. range to external. Save. (if that number range is maintained for multiple years, then make it external for the first yer and for the subsequent years, it will become automatically.)
(3) Then create your customer with specific number.
(4) Then go to XDN1 and click on "Maintain No. Range" button, and change the no. range to internal. Save. (if that number range is maintained for multiple years, then make it internal for the first yer and for the subsequent years, it will become automatically.)
(5) Again go to XDN1 and click on "Maintain status" button. Maintain the current status as the number noted down in step (1) above. Save. (In case number created in step (4) is greater than the number notes in step (1), maintain the number of step (4) in current status.)
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SAP buffer for Customer Account Group (number range skipping)

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When creating new customer for Account Grp = TRDL for my company, I find out that the number range always skip and this problem continues. Someone told me to check it out if the problem might comes from buffer. In Tcode = SNRO (Object = DEBITOR) I find out that buffer setting = 5.
The Question is how can I check if this buffer rate is compatible with my SAP environment? or which rate is more compatible and help solve the problem of number range skipping?
If anybody have some suggestion please feel free to contribute it.
Thank you very much

Hi,
in SNRO, take out the flag for
"Main memory buffering".
SAP recommends:
Dependencies
When buffering number intervals, gaps may result in number assignment. Buffering is therefore not possible for applications, which require continuous number assignment.
What happens is that the system loads consecutive numbers into the buffer, in your case these are five consecutive numbers. When you create customers and do not use all the numbers already in the buffer, the numbers remain open. Example: You start XK01 for customer creation, create three customers and then logoff. You have two open numbers remaining. Numerical example: 1, 2, 3 have been used, 4 and 5 have been reserved, but are open.
When invoking XK01 again after subsequent log-on, the system pulls the next five numbers into the buffer. Since 1,2,3,4,5 were already taken (for the previous buffer), the next buffer goes from 6 to 10.
Numbers 4 and 5 will never be used, the practical consequence of that are the number gaps that you have noticed.
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Account determination for customer account with ZERO value

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Accounting needs to be trigger like below
DR.customer     $0.00
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Hi,
If your configuration is correct, an accounting document will get created during invoice creation even if the value is zero. Acct doc is created not based on the value, but based on the account key to which the condition type is linked.
Generally in free goods, there will be net price (gross price- discounts). You can link this netprice condition type to an account key. The netprice will anyway be nullified by NB00 condition type which is applicable for free goods pricing. You can also link NB00 to another account key.
Now the values will nullify each other in invoice. Similarly the values will be nullified in accountnig doc also and they can be posted to any GL account you wish.

Table name for Customer Account Group and created by Data

Dear Gurus,
Kindly le t me know the table name having a list of Customer a/c groups and created by data. if there is no such table thn pls let me know the alternatives for fetching the same data.
Wishes
Abhishek

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Go to Se11 and give table name KNA1 and go to display
you can able to see the Customer AccountGroup field :KTOKD
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OUTPUT DETERMINATION FOR ACCOUNT GROUPS

dEAR experts,
Kindly write to me where to maintain output determination for customer account groups.
Kindly help.
Kind Regards
biju

Hi ,
Output procedure in OTD2 is for other purpose .It is not output determination in sales document .
Whatever field availabvle in field catlog we can determine the output in sales document .If the field is not available in field catlog than we can create the new filed and same field need to create in sales table .
For your case , Account group field is not available in field catlog but you can use Customer group (KDGRP) for output determination .
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How will i configure partner determination for customer master

how will i configure partner determination for customer master data.

hi
Check this
BUSINESS PARTNERS AND PARTNER DETERMINATION
In the partner determination procedure you can determine whether partner functions can or should occur in a partner object (Customer Master, Sales Document, Item Category etc.) For each object, in which partner function can be created, you can define partner procedures. This also means that
For Customer Master
For Sales Documents
For Sales Documents and Billing Documents: for items
We can define our partner determination procedure for each of these levels as shown below. In Blue are given the ones wherein the Partner Procedures are assigned to the Partner Objects
Customer Master Account Group
Sales Document Header Sales Document Type
Sales document Item Item Category in sales
Delivery Delivery Type
Billing Header Billing Type
Billing Item Billing Type
Sales Activity Sales Activity type
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In the partner determination procedure you can determine for each partner function
whether the partner function is an obligatory partner function
whether the partner function can be changed in the document
BUSINESS PARTNER FUNCTION
By assigning a business partner function to a partner you can determine which functions the partner fulfils in the business process. Partner Functions are classified using partner type. The partner type represents the roles played by the business partner within the business transaction.
Following partner functions exist in the standard process of Sales and Distribution
Partner Type Customer
Sold-to Party, Ship-to Party, Bill-to Party, Payer and Sold-to Party authorized to release against a contract. You can define the sold-to party authorized to release against a contract in the partner screen of a contract. This partner may only schedule orders with reference to this contract, even when he is not the sold-to party authorized against a contract.
Partner Type Contact Person
Contact persons are natural persons whom you must contact at the customers for business processing (e.g. purchasers) Contact person can be created directly in customer master record.
Partner Type Vendor
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The other possible partner functions on the credit side in the sale process are interpreters, auditors etc. The forwarding agent is an agent who performs transportation services. This includes organizing the shipment, delivery and receipt of the goods, arranging the carrier services and handling the customs issues.
Partner Type Personnel
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Sales Personnel
You can enter an employee from your firm as the person responsible:
In the Customer Master If the employee is normally responsible for processing transactions with this customer.
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STEP WISE PROCESS FOR PARTNER DETERMINATION PROCEDURE
Sales and Distribution->Basic Functions->Partner Determination->set Up Partner Determination->Set up Partner Determination for Customer Master.
First go to OVT0 create customer account groups. Here you make new entries, click whether it is a one time customer, description. Also you can do the field selection here for general data, co. code data and sales area data.
Now go to IMG logistics general business partner customers control define & assign customer number ranges define the number. Here you range that you want and assign it to your customer account group.
Now go to VOPA here the selection will be on customer master, click on partner procedures, create the partner determination procedure. The following steps need to be done in partner determination area
Assign partner function to account group i.e SP,SH, BP, PY to account group (debit side ). Sales and Distribution->Basic Functions->Partner Determination->Assign Partner Functions on the debit side to account Groups.
Then create Partner Determination Procedure.
Assign the Partner Determination Procedure to Partner Function.
Then finally assign the Partner Determination Procedure to acc group.
Important Points in Business Partners and Partner Determination Procedure
Partner relationship maintained/defined in the customer master is proposed automatically in the document header when you create a sales document.
In customizing we can decide whether several partners can be assigned to one partner function in the customer master.
In sales documents, the system is configured so that only one partner can be assigned to each partner function.
We can define partners at item level in the sales documents.
Business Partners that are defined at the header level however cannot be changed at the item level.
You can prohibit anyone from changing a partner that has already been entered in a sales document.
It is also possible to manually change or enter the address of a partner, such as the Ship-to Party. This change does not affect the master record.

Change contents of T077X (Customer Account Group Names)

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I have copied an existing account group to create a new account group. When i go to the table T077X, it is showing valid description in EN language. In other languages, the table shows the old account group description. May i know how to change the content of this table?
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Venkat

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You have to translate the descriptions. However, the translation process is different for customer account groups than for other configuration objects (I never understood why BTW). You can maintain the translations directly in SE16, table T077X, menu 'Table Entry' / 'Change' (F6).
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Customer Account Group with Output Procedure assignment

Hi Gurus,
Is there any assignment is possible between Customer Account Group & Output Procedure? What is the function of Output procedure DB0001, I mean how its works. How in Customer Master Output box will get open. Please give details as much as possible.
Thanks & Regards,
Savi

Dear Savi,
Yes it is possible to assign the output determination procedure to the account group.
IMG path to assign output determination procedure
SPRO>Financial accounting>Account recievables and Account payables>Customer accounts>Master data>Preparations for Creating Customer Master Data>Define Account Groups with screen layout (Customers) select account group then go in to details here you can find the field Output determ.proc. under general data tab.
If you assign the output determination procedure to the account group, the output box will open in the customer master record in the Sales area data as Documents tab here you can enter the output types which are related to you.
I hope it will help you,
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Account determination for COGS account by customer

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I’d like to get advice about account determination for COGS account.
I have requirement to determine COGS account based on “Customer”.
If the customer is outside the group, we want to charge to
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The only other way I could think of is to do an enhancement at the time of delivery to read the customer and substitute the GL Account for COGS based on Customer recon Account.
The sales can easily be seggregated based on Customer Account Assignment Group in the customer Sales Area. Assuming the material account assignment group is 01 and customer account assignment group are as under:
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I am working in ecc6.0,
i want the output deterrmination procedure should be carried from Customer master.
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Can any one please tell me the path to define this output determination procedure.Because it is not available in basic function.
So that i can assign to account group.
thanks

Hi Friend
For Output Detn. following are necessary the steps
1.SD> BF>Output Control>O/P Detn
here define Po det Proc for Sale Doc or Billing Doc ,
a.Selct O/P Type (Maintain Program & Routine)
b.maintain Acc Seqn
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Output determination procedure to acc group

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What is the functionality of assigning output determination procedure to the accounts group.Will i see any changes While creating customer master record?
The clear cut answer has not been given sofar
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If you assign the output type in the account group then in when you create customer master record ie., CMR you can see the output type tab . (CMR->sales area data->output type tab). But if you don't assign that output type in the account group then you cant see the output type tab in CMR (CMR->sales area data->output type tab) .
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Output determination for ordering address

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In our business, more than one ordering address might be available for the same vendor. Therefore, we need to send Purchase Orders to different Ordering Address for the same vendor.Kindly help how to maintian the output determination for this.
-Prabu

Hi Prabhu
Output determination
What is output?
Output is communication. When we create a transaction in sales & distribution, and save the transaction we may have to communicate to the concerned business partner about the transaction.
Example;
Customer--Purchase Order-VA01 (Create sales Order)- save the sales order- send the order confirmation to the customer
Here the output is Order confirmation
This output is sent to business partner-Customer-Sold to Party
Other Examples: Quotation, Invoice, Delivery note, Packing List
Output determination happens through Condition Technique.
Condition records are very important here. And these records contain answers to following questions.
a)     What is the Output Type? Order confirmation or Invoice etc
b)     Who is the recipient? A Sold-to-party or Payer etc.
c)     What is the media? Take print out and send, or as email? Or Fax? Or EDI (Electronic data Interchange)
d)     When output to be processed? Immediately when the transaction saved or scheduled to happen at particular Time etc
e)     In which language the output to be prepared
Customization:
IMGSDBasic functionsOutput Control
Output Determination
Output Determination using Condition technique
Maintain Output Determination for Sales Documents
Maintain output types
SAP provides standard Output types for sales, shipping, transportation and billing
Sales:
AF00                    Inquiry
AN00                    Quotation
BA00                    Order
RD03                    Cash sales invoice
Each of this condition type has Repository data called Routines
a)     Program---Program that reads data from tables (VBAK / many tables storing data pertaining header etc)
b)     Form routineProgram used for creating layout
c)     Form---Layout
The Output type has an Access sequence
Example: BA00 has access sequence 0010
Access sequence uses sales document type as the field under table 7
SAP provides standard Procedures, Copy the procedure and assign it to the Sales document Type
Select maintain output determination procedure
Position               V10000 (Order Confirmation)
Select V10000 and Copy as
ZV1000 Kirlosakr Order Confirmation
Save
Assign output determination Procedure
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IMG MenuLogistics executionShippingBasic shipping Functions-Output Control-Output determination---
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Std Delivery outputs
LD00                    Delivery document
PL00                    Packing List
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