Panasonic GH1 - AVCHD 720 60P Project

I ordered a Panasonic GH1 and I intend to use the AVCHD 720 60P mode.
I understand that its probably using coding with H.274 Main Profile Level 4.0 at 17Mbps.
I already downloaded some sample videos but I cannot edit them in this mode.
1) How do I create a AVCHD 720 60P project? I cannot find such a preset?
2) Since I do not want to loose any image quality, I only intend to cut / assemble my clips with very limited editing hoping that I can re-export with minimal re-coding in exactly the same format, profile, bit rate, etc... How can I do this?

Well, I'll be more specific then - I was reluctant to appear to be using Adobe's forums for touting the features of competitive apps, but at the end of the day nobody in their right mind would say that, for all people and for all purposes, progam "A" is better than program "B" for editing video. It depends on what you in particular are wanting to do, the style in which you are wanting to do it, and the source device (camera / camcorder) and host PC that you are using. In reading the following, Your Mileage May Vary!
Currently I have PE7, Pinnacle Studio 12.1 and Cyberlink PowerDirector 8 (just released) on my PC. And Nero 9. My source video comes from Panasonic SD5 and Panasonic GH1 devices, in AVCHD format. The former is 1080 and the latter does that and 720 as well.
In brief, my personal views on these are as follows:-
PE7 - a much more "pro" interface than the others, and I like some of the details like being able to use separate audio and video transitions. But it doesn't like the 720 footage from my GH1, and it doesn't create AVCHD DVDs which are my preferred output medium (highest quality at lowest cost, as compared with blu ray). There are ways around this that I've described some months back, and possibly some even better ways that I really should document some time (using freeware) but it's a pity it's not built in.
Studio 12.1 - An interface that seems targetted at kids rather than adults, and the way it goes about some aspects of video editing don't suit my personal approach. It handles all the types of AVCHD that I've tried it with and creates AVCHD DVDs directly with menus, but it's due for an update in terms of its efficiency in handling AVCHD - you need a PC with clout to get a fluid feel when working on the timeline.
Nero 9 - Has the ability to smart render some (by no means all) AVCHD footage, so if you simply want to edit with no bells and whistles, you can do so and then render to AVCHD file or AVCHD DVD in the time taken to copy the data - no processing happens, and no quality loss is involved. If I was running a newsroom I'd be sending out my teams with cameras that took Nero-compatible footage and do the editing really fast in Nero ready for the next news bulletin. But I'd hope no effects etc were required as that's not what Nero is good at. IT handles GH1 AVCHD footage of both resolutions but only smart renders 1080.
PowerDirector 8 - this can use the processing power of certain Cuda-compatible (and other) graphics cards to give a significant boost to AVCHD playback and rendering performance. On my 9300 quad core PC I've got it to play four rotated picture-in-picture images on top of a base image all sourced from AVCHD before the PC maxed out performancewise. It really does make it unnecessary to transcode to something else for effective editing (though you still need a pretty up to date PC). It accepts GH1 AVCHD (both resolutions) and outputs to AVCHD DVD with menus (and to the other formats you'd expect) but it's smart rendering capability does rather vary with the source - my AVCHD devices don't seem to be on its smart rendering list. However, rendering is significantly faster than with other apps I've tried and I think the quality is good - though some people on the Cyberlink forum don't agree. As I said, YMMV. It has some nice features but the most childish-looking interface of all of them - quite embarrasing to use.
I guess my ideal program would combine the pro look of Premiere Elements, the efficiency of PowerDirector 8, and the smart rendering of Nero. One day...
Never buy a video editing app on someone else's recommendation. Try before you buy on your system using your footage.

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I got an old Macbook with previous ver of iMovie which does not support editing AVCHD. I know that iMovie 09 is able to handle AVCHD and support video from Panasonic GH1, so I am planning to a get a new mac with new OS and iMovie 09. Would anyone please share your experience in using iMovie 09 with GH1? I shot the footage in 1280 x 720 60 frames per second in AVCHD format. I understand that iMovie will convert it to Apple properitary video format for editing, my questions are:
1. is the response time acceptable? I believe it is quite hardware demanding for 720p video editing. What is the time rquired for say, a C2D iMac 2.xxGHz 4GB Ram for cutting or addition of transition effect? Do you have to wait for say 30 sec to add a 4 sec transition effect between two footages?
2. what is the output format of the edited video, can it be re-coded to AVCHD so that I may burn it on a DL DVD for paying on a PS3 or blu-ray player?

I got the camera and used in my trip to London last month. Very unlucky that there is no Apple Store where I live in HK, there is only reseller. I will try to test it with my friend new Macbook Pro 13".
If iMovie only import the video at 30 frames, it would not be a solution for GH1 users as the camera shoot at 60 frames which produce very smooth video which I watch the un-edited video on a PS3.
I was quite frustrated with the proper software for editing the AVCHD video. I thought many camera/video camera users shooting so-called hd video would face the same problem.

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With 96GB of internal memory and a SDXC slot (up to 64GB) the HDC-ATM700 yep it can record 1080/60p video in AVCHD but at 28Mbps.
It also include an 18x iA Zoom and a 12x optical Zoom, a 3” Wide Screen, an a 14.2Mpix Censor for still pictures. Like any descent camcorder the HDC-TM700 got a manual focus ring and Panasonic state of the ART O.IS.

Steve. Just bought this camcorder today. Would be very grateful for your guidance with these questions:
1) For this camcorder, which one of your publications covers importing 1080p60 AND 1080i60 into iMovie, "Ins and Outs" or "Editing AVCHD" or both in order to achieve the highest quality iMovie output for Blu-Ray DVD burning? Asked another way, will this camcorder necessitate an update to those publications?
2) Also, since the HDC-TM700 produces MP4 H.264 files (isn't that correct?), can't they be ingested directly by iMovie without using Quicktime to convert the files from AVCHD to MP4?
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I cannot import 1280x720, 50fps videos from my Panasonic GH1 using the log and transfer window. If I try, the system crashes. Still they play in the preview window. With full HD everything works fine. I would assume that this format is not supported, since it does not show up in the easy setup menu (only 1920x1080 and 1440x1080 available).
The files imported using iMovie08 can be loaded with no issues. I would assume this is because the have already been converted.
Does FCE definitively not support import of 1280x720 material or am I doing something wrong?
Thanks in advanced

Hi,
the GH1 shoots full hd 1980x1080 with 25fps (30 for US market). I prefer using 1280x720 (which seems to be AVCHD lite?) with 50fps (60fps for US) which reproduces movement better.
Imovie09 convert those formats (AVCHD 25fps and AVCHD lite 50fps) to AIC while keeping the original format and frame speed. FCE can import the AIC files at the different formats - this I can see from what FCE is telling me in the browser.
In FCE I mixed both formats (1080 at 25fps & 720 at 50fps) in a small project and managed to get this exported to 1080 or 720 at different frame rates. I have not yet figured out what how the movie quality compares to each other, but IT WORKS.
Unless I have forgotten something FCE seems to handle all these formats but crashes as soon as I try to import of 1280x720@50fps files.
Which in fact brings me back to my question why FCE crashes. With all this capability of handling the different formats I would not have expected a program crash during file import. Which in facts makes me doubt if there still is something wrong....
I guess I should better start reading the manual.
Good Luck

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The title is to help Google!
First hiccup, the Adobe ID entry box won't work unless your Adobe ID is an email address. Mine isn't. Fortunately you can skip that stage.
Choose "New Project" and the program crashes... ah, I see it's trying to read my VST's. Bad design - that should be enabled if the user wants to later on. Fortunately most of mine are where PE9 won't find them.
There's a promising set of presets (though as before, the PE requirement to choose precise presets is not found in other such programs, but that's probably buried too deep in the software to change).
Drag a Panasonic GH1 1080i clip onto the timeline, and it wants to change the preset I chose, so I click "yes". And it plays, which is something. Now I drag a 720p clip onto the timeline, and it displays a red line above the clip on the timescale, and only shows the watermark (which oddly does not appear in the 1080i clip playback). When I hit "enter" to render that portion, it still just displays the watermark. Ah, click on the window and the video is displayed under the watermark. But the video will not play without going back to the watermark only display.
Going from earlier posts, I have now to decide whether to ignore the claim that this is a fully functional demo and pay to make it fully functional, or wonder forever how well it might have worked if I'd bought it.
Aha again - I delete everything so far, and drag the 720p clip on its own onto the timeline. The project preset is automatically changed again (after confirmation), and it plays fine with no watermark. Good! Put the 1080i clip afterwards, and that gets the watermark treatment.
Let's try rendering the present state of the timeline to H264 1080i - off it goes, at a render speed a bit less than half speed (2 minutes of material in 4 minutes on the Q6300 quad core PC) which in comparison with programs seems slow, especially with all cores going flat out. Does this program support Cuda? No sign of it at a glance.
Completed render plays back fine and (apart from the watermark) looks perfectly OK in picture quality and resolution terms.
A minor annoyance which might not apply to anyone else - here I have two PCs using a shared keyboard and mouse using "Maxivista" to swap the mouse and keyboard to whichever screen the mouse is on. When I go to the PC not running PE9, playback stops.
Well, if only to make my earlier investment in PE8 worthwhile, I'll go for it and I'll add more detailed comments once the program is really fully functional... then I'll test whether G13 footage (Panasonic GH1 footage using non-standard firmware, giving much higher than standard bitrates) works or not.

Well, before plonking down my money I've tried a couple of "GH13" 1080i clips, which have bitrates outside the official AVCHD spec (eg around 35mbps in this case) and they play fine too.
I notice that when I click on "full screen" at the top of the interface that the playback then has artifacts which are caused by the timeline refreshing under the full screen playback - a bar across the screen which comes from elsewhere in the picture being played. Anyone else see that? That's with standard AVCHD or mpeg footage. Just possibly the kind of thing which checking for current NVIDIA drivers might fix?
As soon as I try to put a picture in picture with AVCHD material, the playback framerate drops drastically - that part of the timeline has to be rendered. In other recent software that's not required - off the top of my head I'd get four tracks to play at once. I'd say PE9 is well behind the game in terms of the efficiency of the timeline playback engine. Even rendering that part of the timeline is painfully slow. Still, maybe there are quality tradeoffs - one program I use doesn't attempt to give full definition playback from the timeline, leading to a slighly blurred look in the playback monitoring window, but that does mean it can show more complex timelines unrendered.

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So, is this considered normal or has something in the most recent OSX updates fixed this FCE capability?

The program is usually able to ingest 24p and 60p footage fine, but upon exporting it will be conformed to the frame rate of your sequence. Since FCE doesn't support custom sequences all exported movies are either in 29.97fps or 25fps. Problems also sometimes arise where the program interprets your footage as 29.97fps instead of what it actually is, causing the audio to drift a bit as well.
Better to stick to what the program supports: 50i/25p and 60i/30p. If you need the functionality of 24p or 60p you should upgrade to Final Cut Pro.

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I've exhausted all my resources trying to find a simple answer but it seems like anything regarding 60p to 24p is about slow motion video which I already know how to do and understand thoroughly.
My question is, with my Canon 7D, there's no option for 720/24p (23.976), there's only 720/60p (29.97) or 50p. Getting 30p video is simple because Premiere just drops every other frame. Now 24p is a little trickier. There is an option for 1080/24p which is overkill for what I want and need to do. I also don't have the capacity in memory cards for that.
I understand that if I drop a 60p video on a 24p timeline, Premiere will just drop frames. But since 60 is not divisible by 24.. how does Premiere know which frames to drop? I believe there's also a Frame Blending option as well.. how would that work?
I'm looking for the best way to convert 60p video to 24p in Premiere. I can't imagine it being overly complicated.

quazis wrote:
Thanks for the reply but I'm not sure who told you that 1080p24 produces smaller file sizes than 720p60.
Canon 7D has a max recording limit of 4gb (per file) due to FAT32 file system restrictions. At 1080p, 4gb = 12minutes. On a 16gb card, that's only 48minutes. At 720p, 4gb = 30minutes. That's 2 hours.
Then it's Canon's encoding scheme or sensor use that makes such a huge difference. My AVCHD files from a Panasonic HMC150 are smaller at 1080p24 than at 720p60. Which makes sense since the raw pixel count per second is less with 1080p24 (49,766,400 at 1080p24 versus 55,296,00 for 720p60).
I have a tutorial on my web site about using dv2film, which is designed to convert 60i DV to 24p DV. But it also works for HD footage. Check it out and let me know what you think.
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I have just bought a Panasonic GH1 and I am struggling to import (Log and Transfer) clips which have been filmed in "SH" mode, which is 720p format (50fps). The clips are AVCHD. When I film in "FHD" mode, which is 1080p it imports these fine, with no issue at all?
I have altered the setting in the Easy Set up menu, but every time I try and drag the clips in, Final Cut Express crashes?
Does anyone have any ideas as to why this is happening?
Any direction or support is much appreciated.
Many thanks, Martin

Martin Wells wrote:
.. 720p format (50fps). The clips are AVCHD. When I film in "FHD" mode, which is 1080p it imports these fine, with no issue at all?..
FCE4 does not support 720/50p, only 25/30p ..
according to Panas press release your device offers 1080 as 50i/60i not p ...
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Hallo!
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thanks to Adobe ambassador Jon Barrie!

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YOu use Cinema Tools. Tutorial found here:
http://library.creativecow.net/rossshane/slow-motioncinema-tools/1
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Can Final Cut even capture HDV 720/60p nativly? I've been trying to capture some footage recorded on a JVC GY-HD250U with a JVC BR-HD50U deck. The footage was intended for a 720/30p project, but I couldn't capture it that way. The only workaround I found was to capture it into the project in the Apple Intermediate Codec HDV 720p30. What other workflows / solutions are there for this, if any?

I read a little about this JVC camera and I wasn't sure you can get 60p onto the tape, it seemed like you could get 60p out in analogue.
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No...ProRes is a high quality format. Finishing format. Many TV networks take that as a final deliverable.
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3. Select the left blue one and hit delete.
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