Phantom managed originals

I've got a very interesting situation with managed originals I didn't think was possible - the database seems to have lost track of them; I've got originals in my aperture library package which don't show in the library in aperture. Those particulars files are actually duplicates - the library does show those images, but points to the referenced files outside the library package. I'd like to know how to delete the "managed", duplicate, files in the library package.
Here's the background - I was trying to do some spring cleaning on photos and clean out any duplicates. To that end, I downloaded two programs from the Mac App Store: photo sweeper and Gemini. The first is smart and can use the aperture and Lightroom libraries (or catalogs) to sniff out duplicates, comparing the records there against each other and any referenced files. Gemini is a pure file comparer, which means it will open up and sniff through the aperture library package. Now, except for photo stream, I was using a purely referenced library with aperture; Lightroom's catalog pointed to the exact same files. After a few passes with photo sweeper, I thought I'd eliminated any duplicates within the library and catalog and in the referenced files. More for curiosity, I pointed Gemini at the aperture library package and the referenced originals.
To my surprise, Gemini came up with two GBs of managed originals in the library package it said were duplicates of the referenced originals. Puzzled, I opened finder and drilled into the package contents and there they were. Then I opened aperture and filtered for managed originals. None of those showed. Then I searched on the file name of some of those duplicates. They were there in the library, but aperture correctly pointed to the referenced originals outside the package. The upshot is I seem to have 2 GBs of supposedly "managed" originals in the library package which are not, in fact in the library, and which are duplicates of referenced originals. I'd like to get rid of those duplicates, but I'm hesitant about monkeying around with the library package. What should I do?
For reference, I'm running Mac OS X 10.9.2 and aperture 3.5.1 on a 2012 retina MacBook Pro. All software is up to date.

Leonie, thanks for the help, that seems to have worked.
A quick update on how it worked for those interested. First, I created a vault as a precaution. Aperture created a 6.8 MB vault ... for a 32 GB library. Cute. Then I updated the vault. Aperture hung. I had some choice words about the general quality of the app at that point. Screw it, we don't need no stinkin' backups (at this point, I couldn't have really cared).
Repaired the library and then checked for any "recovered" items in the library. Nope. So, full rebuild. Checked again and still nothing "recovered" in the library. Curious, I ran Gemini to look for duplicates. The 2 GBs of phantom managed originals were gone. I can't tell whether it was after the repair or rebuild, but Aperture correctly realized these were surplus -- and seems to have jettisoned them directly.
I did have ~300MB or so of duplicate files left but, crucially, these were also in the library. Put another way, Aperture had a managed and a referenced copy of the same file. Easily solved: delete the managed original.
Aperture had also curiously linked to the same referenced file for two separate originals in about 30 cases. No, not duplicates, not virtual copies -- two separate originals pointing to the same file. Just deleted one original for each of the 30 files and that, as they say, was that.
The whole episode did not, however, inspire confidence in the robustness of Aperture's database. And while I can understand the rationale for having both referenced and managed originals, I'm not sure about the wisdom of being able to have both in the same library. Aperture could use some stronger rules insisting on one over the other per library, and better collision and de-duplication tools.

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    NB. This is a super large (over 100GB) Aperture library that i am trying to consolidate everything into. It is Work In Progress and i was only going to back it up once the import of various iPhoto libraries was done. However, I'm wondering if it's better to just back up first - but if i do it now, the backup will include all these errors and duplicates. What would you guys do?

    UPDATE 2:
    The users in these 2 threads seem to have a similar File Status Not Found issue:
    https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4086569?tstart=0
    https://discussions.apple.com/message/17757686#17757686
    Followed Leonie's advice to look for the (missing) masters inside the Masters folder, and indeed, they were missing. So, that confirms the reason for the error message.
    If this does not work, because you have managed originals, inside the Aperture Library, look for your originals in the Aperture Library Package. Select the Library in the Finder and ctrl-click, then select "Show Package Contents" from the pop-up. In the Finder window that opens, navigate to the folder "Masters". Your missing images should be inside; the folder is structured by date of import.
    Of course, the question is - why the masters for these few images are missing, when the other images in the same project that were imported/merged at the same time are fine.
    Trying to do the library import/merge from iPhoto into Aperture again. Fingers crossed. Will report back on the result.

  • Photos are not showing up in Finder

    I am using Aperture 3.2.4 on an iMac purchased in July 2011.
    This is a new problem...suddenly none of the photos that I have imported into Aperture and then renamed are showing up the Finder.  By renamed, I mean it is a photo I gave a new version name to by using the metadata tab.  (Ex: "IMG_5678" was renamed "6.1.12 John & Jane").
    I imported a bunch of photos last week after returning from a vacation.  In the Finder I can see most of the projects, but inside the projects only the versions still labelled IMG_XXXX are showing.  Any versions that I renamed are not there.  And the project I created called Photo Album - which has only renamed versions in it - doesn't show up at all.  This was not the case 4 days ago, because I downloaded the photo album to Facebook.  (I did so manually through FB, choosing the photos in the Finder, not through the FB button in Aperture).
    Its not just an issue with these new vacation photos, but with all photos I have imported directly into Aperture...
    When we bought this iMac last July, the Apple store downloaded a bunch of our PC data into it, including loading all of our photos into iPhoto.  About a month later I moved all the photos from iPhoto to Aperture.  The photos imported from iPhoto are all showing up in the finder just fine, and are organized into the folders just like they are in Aperture.  Ex:
    Main Folder: Photos 2010
         Subfolder: Thailand April 2010
              All the projects then show up, with all their versions (renamed or not), including the Photo Album project
         Subfolder: New Orleans May 2010
              All the projects then show up, with all their versions (renamed or not), including the Photo Album project
    So these are still perfect in the Finder.
    When I click on the Photos 2011 folder, the photos pre-August (the ones imported from our old PC and then from iPhoto) show up just fine.  But from August-December, all I get are projects (not organized into their folders), and the renamed photos have disappeared, as have the Photo Album projects.  (Again, the Photo Albums contain only renamed versions.  But the Photo Album project doesn't show up empty, it simply doesn't show up at all).
    When I click on the Photos 2012 folder, all photos imported directly into Aperture, I get the same problem: a list of projects, not organized into their folders, all of the renamed versions within the projects have disappeared, as have the Photo Album projects.
    I've tried restarting the computer, hoping it would 'reload' the photos into the Finder, but no.
    Can anyone help?

    "Photo" has no useful meaning in Aperture.
    You import files.  Once imported, Aperture refers to them as "Masters" (prior to 3.3) or "Originals" (3.3).  Keeping with this new change, I will refer to them as "Originals".  Every Original shows in Aperture as an Image.  Every Image has a Version.  The Version has a name.  The Version is actually a text file that contains instructions on what changes to make to the Original in order to show you the Image.  The Version and the Original are not the same (one is an image-format file, the other is a text file), even though the Image of the Version and the Image of the Original may appear to be identical.
    Within Aperture you work with Images.  Since every Image has a unique Version, Images are often called "Versions".
    Originals can have several Versions.
    Aperture never alters your Originals.
    Aperture either stores your Originals inside the Aperture Library (in which case they are called "Managed" Originals) or lets you put them on any locally mounted drive on your system (in which case they are called "Referenced" Masters).
    When you want an image-format file to share with another program, you create one by exporting a Version or an Original.  "Export" means "make me an image-format file that looks like this".  You set the format and the parameters for that format in an Image Export Preset.
    Aperture is an image-manager, not a file-manager.  There _cannot_ be a one-to-one correspondence between Images in Aperture and their locations in the Library structure you create, and files in Finder and their locations in the Finder folders you create.  Images are not files; Aperture Folders are not Finder folders.
    I can't tell from your description whether you have any Referenced Originals or not.
    Once you import a file into Aperture and it becomes an Original, you must never move or alter it with any program other than Aperture (or -- as of Monday -- the newest version of iPhoto).
    My general suggestion for those having difficulties like you are, is to select all your Images (by, yes, clicking the misnamed "Photos" near the top of the Library tab of the Inspector) and run "File➞Consolidate Masters".  This will move any Referenced Originals to inside Aperture's Library (and thus convert them to Managed Masters).  Take advantage of Aperture's strong and robust organizing tools.  Build a structure of Projects, Albums, and Folders that gives you the storage and retrieval capabilities you want.  Use it.  When you need image-format files to share with other programs, create them by exporting.  Do not use Finder to organize your Originals.  Do not use Finder to look for your Originals.  Do not use Finder for image-management.
    HTH.
    Message was edited by: Kirby Krieger -- many minor.

  • Travel workflow problems.

    I apologize in advance for the length of this question.
    When I travel, I carry a MB Air with OS X 10.9.1 and Aperture 3.5.1. I create managed Libraries on a 500GB EHD (or two).
    I will certainly do some deleting and minimal editing.
    When I get home I transfer the travel Library to my iMac (27" 2013, same configuration) desktop. I open the Library in Aperture but rebuild it first as this sometimes helps the below problem. I then merge the travel library to my present iMac Aperture working managed Library. (I create a new Library for each year on the iMac.)
    Now I carry out my real editing etc. on the home Aperture. When I go to open my Projects there will be random images that have the dreaded yellow triangle, the files can't be found. If I reload that Project, once or sometimes more from the travel library I will often get rid of the triangle.
    I just went through this with ten projects, last week. Finally all files were present and accounted for. However today out of the blue the warning badge showed up on all the images in one project. Having saved the travel library, I was able to reload that project and I have access to the images again.
    For me what this means is that I have to store my travel Libraries even after thay are merged with my home Library. This is obviously a PITA and takes up space. My home Libraries are stored on a Drobo 5D. I never have that problem with images downloaded from a CF card to the home Library. If I go to "Find Referenced Files" it lists the missing images but I think it says they are on the Drobo. (Same thing however used to happen with my old Mac Pro System and WD EHDs.) Sorry I did not copy the field.
    Any ideas as to what is going on? If it happens again should I just rebuild the home Library to see if the missing files will be found? Can I ever trust my system so that I don't have to keep all my (redundant) travel Libraries?

    SMB 2 wrote:
    When you get the chance can you briefly outline your merging steps.
    Thanks.
    Hi.  There are no steps  .   In my "master" Library I run "File➞Import➞Library" and select my travel Library.  If prompted, I select "Add".)  I do other things for hours.  When the merge is finished, I close Aperture, re-open it, and let it run unmolested overnight.  Then I close it again, reopen it, and look to see if anything is amiss.
    More fully, when traveling I hew to the following:
    (First let's change our terms.  I am now going to call my "master" Library my Home Library and the Libraries I use when traveling Travel Libraries.)
    Clean up Home Library
         Empty Aperture Trash
         Repair Database
         Confirm that no Originals are missing; confirm that all Originals are where I think they are
    Create new Travel Library     Select a few Images and run "File➞Export➞{items} as Library"
    Move that Library to an EHD.  Rename EHD to match expected contents.
    Prepare second EHD as back up for EHD with Travel Library.     Rename to match, e.g.: "Travel Library BU".
    Travel
    Record data
    Import recorded data files into Travel Library
    Back-up EHD before re-formatting camera cards !!  (I use SuperDuper and clone drives.)
    Codify, tag, develop Images in Travel Library as time permits
    Return home.       Travel Library EHD stays with me (along with cameras, etc.).  Travel Library back up EHD goes in checked bag.
    Clean up Travel Library     (As above for Home Library)
    Import Travel Library into Home Library     "File➞Import➞Library"
    Let Aperture run with Home Library loaded, unmolested, overnight.  (Voodoo, but with some justification.)
    Close and re-open Aperture.  Give it all the time it wants when closing.
    Confirm import
         All Projects and Images present?
         Project descriptions and Image metadata intact and complete?
         All Originals accounted for and where I expect them to be?
    Back up Home Library using standard Home back up procedure
    Relocate managed Originals to EHD dedicated to Originals of Home Library Images
    Back up dedicated EHD using standard Home back up procedure
    Back up Home Library again, using standard Home back up procedure
    Erase EHD with Travel Library; erase EHD with Travel Library back-up     I have a working copy and two back-ups.  I confirmed that the working copy is good prior to backing up.  I erase the drives now, so that I won't hesitate to use them later.  (Three months from now I don't want to pick up the former Chile Travel Library EHD and ask myself, "Oh -- this has my files from Chile.  Is it OK to erase these?")
    The principle is basic: always have two back-up copies, on separate devices, of all your files, and never have the working copy and both back-up copies in the same physical location.  When traveling, this is impractical, but the above is, imho, a good compromise.
    Clearly that covers a good bit more than just merging, but I thought it might prove useful.
    --Kirby.

  • Will Aperture backup to a vault with daisy chained external hard drives

    I am moving my Aperture library to a 6TB external drive.  I want to back that up to a disaster drive consisting of 2 g-drives daisy chained, one 2TB and the other 4TB.
    Will Aperture recognize the daisy chained drives as a single drive and backup the Aperture library to these drives as a single vault?

    Caveat: answering your question requires one to make lots of assumptions, any one of which might change the answer. I do not know if Aperture would do so or not but personally I would not recommend it.
    Note that daisy-chaining is simply a method of connecting drives; the drives themselves each remain fully independent. One  needs to build a RAID array to combine independent volumes, and that is usually best done with fairly identical drives rather than with a 4TB and a 2TB.
    I strongly believe that unless one is a true mass-storage expert very large Managed-Originals Libraries should be avoided. IMO far preferable is to instead use Refererenced-Originals Libraries.
    Databases invariably perform better in numerous ways when smaller.
    -Allen

  • Need help moving photos to external drive

    Hi, all--here's hoping one or more of you Aperture veterans can help.
    Here's my situation: I'm not new to photography, but I'm new to Aperture. Just bought 3.3 and still getting to know what it can do. I'm an emigre from iPhoto, and one of the reasons I upgraded within Apple is that I was tired of the non-intuitive nature of PS Elements. I like to take pictures, not spend endless time in the dim glow of a screen digging through sub-menus for stuff, and from what I read, Aperture seemed more intuitive.
    But now I've got a seemingly very basic problem that hours of poring over discussion threads and searching through the hundreds of pages of the manual has done little to address with any clarity:
    How do I move (not just copy) older photos in projects to external drives, but in such a way that Aperture still keeps track of them, even when the drives are not connected? (The Aperture marketing I read/viewed clearly said Aperture could do this, and I'm running out of space on my MacBook Pro (15" from about 2008, running Lion) with lots of CF cards piling up.)
    Info that may help:
    -I need to move not just original (imported into iPhoto directly from the camera) photos, but also those I've adjusted in Elements, then re-exported into iPhoto (I would say "and now into Aperture," but as you know, there's no longer an import process b/w iPhoto and Aperture).
    -I shoot mostly RAW.
    -I have no idea whether the pictures are "Referenced" or "Managed" (for space reasons, I have yet to import any files directly into Aperture; all existing photos are from iPhoto, and if I was given an option when I set up Aperture, I don't now recall it).
    -I have external drives with plenty of space to move older pix to (I also have multiple backups, including Time Machine, additional external hard drives, and DVDs)
    Can somebody who knows how to do this safely please explain in clear language how to move photos as projects onto external hard drives so that Aperture keeps track of them via viewable thumbnails, even when the photo files themselves live on a hard drive that is not connected at the time?
    Thanks in advance!

    First things first:
    You can easily check if an image is managed or referenced by ctrl-clicking on an image version and selecting "Locate referenced files...". If Aperture says "No Referenced Files", your originals are managed by Aperture and stored within the library itself, otherwise it should show you the location of the original, and give you some options to verify the references and so on. I don't know which method is used when importing from iPhoto.
    Now, here's something you need to ask yourself:
    Does it make more sense for you to keep the library on your laptop and the originals on an external drive, or does it make more sense to move both the library and the originals to the external drives?
    In the first case, you can open and look at the thumbnails, but there's not a whole lot else you can do with your images when the external drive is off line.
    If you have vast amounts of originals, spread across multiple drives, it might make sense to keep the library on your laptop and connect whichever external drive you need at the time. However, it might also make more sense to split such a huge library into mutiple libraries, stored with their respective originals (which could be either managed or referenced).
    In my case, it makes sense to keep multiple libraries, with managed originals, but your mileage may vary.
    Here's a tip that might help you decide: A small library is quicker to navigate and work with than a huge one, although performance has improved vastly with later versions of Aperture.
    Once you have decided on the appropriate organization, you can start moving things around (after you've created the appropriate backups):
    If your library contains all managed originals already, and you want to move the entire library off to the external drive:Simply drag and drop the library itself (using Finder) to the new location.
    If your library use referenced originals, and you want to keep it that way, or your library manages your originals, and you want to start using referenced originals:
    Select all your images
    Click on the File menu and select Relocate Originals...
    Locate the destination for your originals, and pay special attention to the "Subfolder Format" and "Name Format". I'd suggest choosing "Project Name" and "Original File Name" for the two.
    Click on Relocate Originals, and twiddle your thumbs while Aperure moves all your originals to the new location.
    If your library uses referenced originals, and you wish to let your library manage the originals:
    Select all your images
    Click on the File menu and select Consolidate Originals...
    Decide if you want to Copy or Move the originals into the library. If you're running out of space, it might be best to Move.
    Click Ok, and wait for the operation to complete.
    (Optional) If you wish to move your entire library to the external drive, drag and drop the library to the new location.
    I hope that answers your question.
    Message was edited by: KluZz (oops, premature submission)

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