Photo Manipulation RAW, JPEG or TIFF?

Hello
I have been looking at some absolutely wonderful surreal art done with Photoshop.
Question: are all the original photos in these works shot in RAW format?
In other words, are only RAW formats can be manipulated to create art, or can it be done with JPEG or TIFF?
Thanks

Any image can be manipulated but more can be done with a raw file because it has more data to work with.

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See the footnote at
Nikon D4S†
Nikon D810†
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†Nikon RAW L format only.

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