Place Voting files in Quorum failgroup or Regular failgroup ?

About the concept of quorum failgroup ORACLE says:
QUORUM disks, or disks in quorum failure groups, cannot contain any database files,
the Oracle Cluster Registry (OCR), or dynamic volumes. However, QUORUM disks
can contain the voting file for Cluster Synchronization Services (CSS). Oracle ASM
uses quorum disks or disks in quorum failure groups for voting files whenever
possible.
To sum up, i think the different between a regular failgroup and a quorum failgroup is a quorum failgroup can only contain vote files and a regular one can contains multiple kinds of files.
So i didn't see any advantage to place voting files on a quorum failgroup than on a regular one. Why Oracle introduce the concept of quorum failgroup ?
Thx in advance.

Why Oracle introduce the concept of quorum failgroup ?
You should configure odd number of voting disks because far as voting files are concerned, a node must be able to access more than the half of the voting files at any time (simple majority). In order to be able to tolerate a failure of n voting files, one must have at least 2n+1 configured. (n= number of voting files) for the cluster.
If you lose 1/2 or more of all of your voting disks, then nodes get evicted from the cluster, or nodes kick themselves out of the cluster.
For this reason when using Oracle for the redundancy of your voting disks, Oracle recommends that customers use 3 or more voting disks.
If you are using only one (1) Storage H/W and it's fail. Whole cluster goes down including all voting disk does not matter the number configured.
The problem in a stretched cluster (RAC Extended ) configuration is that most installations only use two storage systems (one at each site), which means that the site that hosts the majority of the voting files is a potential single point of failure for the entire cluster. If the storage or the site where n+1 voting files are configured fails, the whole cluster will go down, because Oracle Clusterware will loose the majority of voting files.
To prevent a full cluster outage, Oracle will support a third voting file on an inexpensive, lowend standard NFS mounted device somewhere in the network. Oracle recommends putting the NFS voting file on a dedicated server, which belongs to a production environment.
So, you will create a file on NFS "cooked file" (as disk) and present to ASM. From this point ASM does not know which ASMDISK is on Network (wan) and it's a "cooked file".
Then you must mark that ASMDISK as QUORUM, because Oracle will use that ASMDISK only to store VOTEDISK. This will prevent store data (such as database files) on it causing perfomance problem or dataloss.

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