PNG Transparency

I have imported a button made in photoshop as a PNG into Flash. I want to animate the shadow behind the button.
How do I make the shadow png. go from 0% to 100% transparent? I have tried altering the colour alpha option but as expected this doesnt work.
Cheers ya'll

If you convert to a movie clip, then alpha option should work.
Also, if it is just a simple drop-shadow, you can attach that directly to the button in flash in the Filters panel, and animate it - no images necessary.

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# -*- coding: utf-8 -*-
# Uploaded by juan_grande 2005/02/24 18:38 UTC
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import gtk
import time
import os
import pytrayicon
import sys
import warnings
import ConfigParser
import xmllangs
import GmailConfig
import GmailPopupMenu
import gmailatom
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ICON_PATH=sys.path[0]+"/icon.png"
ICON2_PATH=sys.path[0]+"/icon2.png"
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mainstr=word[0:characters]
break
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if length>characters: break
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configWindow = None
options = None
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self.window.set_keep_above(1)
self.window.stick()
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self.popup=0
self.newmessages=0
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self.fixed.set_size_request(0,0)
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self.image.set_from_file( BKG_PATH )
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try:
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unreadmsgcount=self.connection.getUnreadMsgCount()
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return (-1,)
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subject=''
snippet=''
finalsnippet=''
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subject = self.connection.getMsgTitle(0)
snippet = self.connection.getMsgSummary(0)
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finalsnippet=shortenstring(snippet,20)
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finalsnippet=shortenstring(snippet,40)
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self.unreadmsgcount=unreadmsgcount
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sizey=currentsize[1]
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self.popup=0
return gtk.FALSE
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# Move it down
self.window.resize(180,sizey-2)
self.window.move(gtk.gdk.screen_width() - self.width,positiony+2)
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if sizey<140:
# Move it up
self.window.resize(180,sizey+2)
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else:
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self.popup=1
if self.hassettimer==0:
self.waittimer = gtk.timeout_add(self.options['popuptimespan'],self.wait)
self.hassettimer=1
return gtk.TRUE
def wait(self):
self.senddown=1
self.hassettimer=0
return gtk.FALSE
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if event.button==3:
self.popup_menu.show_menu(event)
else:
self.label.set_markup(self.default_label)
self.show_popup()
def event_box_clicked(self,signal,event):
if event.button==1:
self.gotourl()
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gtk.main_quit(0)
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self.height +=self.options["voffset"]
self.width +=self.options["hoffset"]
self.window.move(gtk.gdk.screen_width() - self.width, gtk.gdk.screen_height() - self.height)
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self.popup_menu = GmailPopupMenu.GmailPopupMenu(self)
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def main(self):
gtk.main()
if __name__ == "__main__":
warnings.filterwarnings( action="ignore", category=DeprecationWarning)
gmailnotifier = GmailNotify()
gmailnotifier.main()
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Feed-back.com test
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Dana,
Your page is looking for the pngfix.js here but it's not
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I typically place my scripts into a folder called Scripts. So
my code would
look like this:

Also, just so you know, pngfix.js doesn't work on background
images.
HTH,
--Nancy O.
Alt-Web Design & Publishing
www.alt-web.com
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> I've had an absolutely lovely time today trying to make
my header logo (a
> transparent .png) display correctly in IE6. I guess I
might be better off
> giving up on it, but at this point I don't want to let
go of it (plus I'd
like
> the page to look better). I used the pngfix.js fix from
>
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/bobosola/pnghowto.htm.
I put the JavaScript
in the
> same folder as my template, and followed the
instructions given on the
site.
>
> When I check the template page in IE6 it looks just
fine, but when I
check the
> web pages using the template, the logo displays with the
dreaded bluish
gray
> background. Here's what my test page looks like:
>
http://feed-back.com/consulting_temp.html
>
> IE6 doesn't even see the code. I obviously don't
understand how this
works.
> Anybody have any thoughts or suggestions?
> Thanks,
> Dana
>

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