PPBM is Back--Benchmarking Premiere Pro CS4.1

Well after a long absence PPBM is back and is appropriately called PPBM4. If you are not familiar with my previous Adobe Premiere Pro BenchMarking I have finally developed a new hardware benchmark specific to the current version of Premiere Pro. As a matter of fact I do not advise using it on anything other than CS4 version 4.1.
With this benchmark you can evaluate how well your hardware performs when actually using Premiere and as I get more feedback of results from forum users like you I will publish the results. With that data you should be able to see how well your system is tuned, what hardware will improve your performance and/or help to specify a new system.
There are three basic tests:
I measure how long it takes to render the timeline with my "standardized" project.
I measure how long the project takes to encode MPEG2-DVD
I measure how long the project takes to encode to Microsoft DV AVI.
Unfortunately it will not run on a Mac with the native OS.
Even if you do not want to benchmark you should go out to this site to see how far Harm Millaard's super overclocked i7-920 system outperforms my previous generation dual Xeon 5400 series system. Also, I have data on my system with identical hardware running on XP Pro 32, Vista 64 and Win 7 64 (RC).

If you are using a single fast RAID array then my tests show that all the files (project, media, scratch) should be on the RAID array, putting any one on a slower separate drive slows the benchmark. I have all my project files on a 500 MB/s average read rate Array, if I put the Preview Files or the Output on even a ~200 MB/s RAID array you get slower performance.
If you prefer not to use RAID, then using the forum recommended three drives, Take your choice (actually both are essentially the same)::
"One drive for OS/programs, one for media and one for pagefile/scratch/renders".
"One for OS & Programs One for Projects/Scratch One for Media."
Then if you have faster and slower drives depends on what you want to speedup. My opinion is use your fastest single drive drive for the OS/Applications. If you Render the Timeline and intend to use the Preview Files for encoding you may want to put them on another fast disk. The when you are trying to optimize encoding from AME this is a CPU intensive operation and a slightly slower Output Files disk probably will work perfectly adequate. I would guess that Media files (my benchmark does not have media files by design) would also benefit from fast disk access.
Skeeze, when you say "rendering" are referring to encoding/transcoding as done in AME or are you referring to Rendering the Timeline as in hitting "Enter".
I am absolutely amazed at the Michael's W5580 disk intensive AVI encoding results with only two SAS drives, since it is also a brand new system I suspect that they are Seagate 15K.7 drives with sustained read transfer rates from 204 to 122 MB/sec. This one drive is equivalent to a pair of Seagate 7200.12 rpm drives in RAID 0!
I would appreciate comments on my opinions above.

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>brand new Core i7 940

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Hi,
I'm trying to edit some AVCHD (full HD 1920x1080p) but the playback in Premiere PRO CS4 is really really slow. The quality is set to Draft and even resizing the window to 25% keeps it slow.
So I decided to give it a try upgrading my computer. But... what should I upgrade to improve playback and edit my videos smoothly?
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I need to admint that I made a huge mistake when I got the HD camera in my hands and I started shooting and watching it on a HDTV and it was nicely recorded. But oh surprise!, when I tried to watch it and edit it on my computer it was a nightmare.
Yes, that was what I was alluding to earlier on. It seems to be a good format, but requires an investment in gear to smoothly edit it. I almost feel that there should be a warning label on all cameras, that use it. At least it IS editable, unlike some other formats.
what a nice I/O sub-system article there, thanks for that
I agree, and that is why I try to tell Harm "thank you," whenever I can. He actually did three along the same lines. This was #1, IIRC, with a more generalized followup on the hardware beyond the I/O, and #3 was his setup details for 64-bit OS. All three are well worth reading. He put a lot of time, thought and effort into those. First thing that I did was publish links to each on several Video production fora.
Good luck, and please let us know how your new rig handles the AVCHD material. Before you get too far into things, Harm's other two articles might be of use too.
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Hi all,
I have been researching this issue over the internet but I have found absolutely no references to it:
I am running Premiere Pro CS4 on my high-resource PC but would like to work from a different room so I am remoting form my laptop to my "good" PC.
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There is a free trial available too. I don't know why there is not more information about RGS on the web, but it seems to me to be the only solution to work on Premiere or After Effects remotely.
I hope this helps

Adobe Premiere Pro CS4 4.0.1

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We're really excited about this update, especially considering we released CS4 just one month ago. To force an update, choose help --> find updates from any Adobe application. The AME update that releases with this update is required as well.
Important note: if you are using the Elemental Technologies RapiHD plug-in, you must update to the latest version in order to use Adobe Premiere Pro CS4 4.0.1. You can update the plug-in by visiting the Elemental Technologies web page: http://www.rapihd.com/?q=node/129
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Okay, so not exactly an Apple question, but there are so many smart, helpful people on here, and the Adobe forum doesn' t seem very active.
I recently got Adobe Premiere Pro CS4 (the movie editing software). I tried to import files from I-photo, but those folders wouldn't even open. Tried to import files from the movie folder, which were in .mpg format, but got a message that it is an incompatible format.
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This is a forum. None of the users here -at least not to my knowledge - are Adobe professional
Ninety-nine point nine percent correct. We are blessed with a few Adobe employees here, unlike some fora, but those folk are probably at NAB right now. Also, they are in other departments, so would have to walk "down the hall," or make a call, just as we would.
When it gets to issues on licensing, installation, etc., we're pretty much at a loss. Most of us have never encountered such issues, and only know what we have read in others' threads, when they have bothered to report back. Even then, that is third-hand info.
Last time that I had an Adobe installation issue was AI 3, IIRC. My upgrade version did not have the old database of S/N's. Mine was 00-000-003, and things had changed drastically. One call to Adobe, and a total time of about 5 mins. (including hold time), and I was given a number to plug in, and then everything installed perfectly. That was in about 1989, so is not quite contemporary. Still, that is the last and only first-person account that I can offer. Most here have zero personal experiences, as they came to the party later, and have just not had any such issues.
We'd love to help, but just do not have the experience.
Good luck,
Hunt

Premiere Pro CS4 eats my C: drive in Vista Ultimate 64-bit SP1

I installed Premiere Pro CS4 this last weekend 11-12 April 2009.
I have a Quadcore 3.0GHz with 8Gb of RAM, a 150Gb C: drive fo rthe op sys Vista Ultimate 64-bit SP1 and programs, a 500Go D: drive for general data and a K: drive 2Tb RAID0 volume useable about 1.8Gb.
My C: drive was healthy after installation of Premiere Pro with tens of gigabytes free at least. Then I started experimenting with building projects. I put my files on a mix of the D: and K: drives especially the AVCHD video assets on the K:.
While importing these AVCHD assets I eventually got a message from Vista that the C: drive was full and I did a clean up and that gave approximetely 30Gb free, I went back to importing, in a couple of hours the 30Gb was gone, this can only be Premiere Pro CS4 eating the C: drive and never returning what it takes. This of course is a disaster precisely because it is my op sys drive and Vista will periodically want to make new restore points especially before applying downloaded updates from Microsoft. I ahve run also chkdsk and defragmenter with no effect. I think Premiere Pro is using some sort of secret work files on the C: drive somewhere and that they just accumulate, of course this would be a bug.
Support Center does not appear to let me open web support issues even though we are in the 90-day bug fix period and I have registered the product with the product key so that is another bug that gets in the way of fixing the first.
Any ideas please?
Thanks!
Peter.

Yeah, I did not take backups that often cos I did not intend putting the machine onto the net, then I got this device that said it would protect against everything by isolating my machine and making it invisible, I await the analysis by the company but it does appear not to have worked, the only thing that works is very real physical isolation and do not use the internet at all from the main machine. Like I say it simply is not confirmed yet but neither is it denied. You cannot actually go so far as to blame Adobe because stopping hackers is the job of the op sys vendor really so I blame Microsoft, the only blame for Adobe is the policy that some functions require internet connection in order to work when they know internet is not secure, so for instance if you want to use the emulators for things like these mobile phones they want you to be connected, I tried that one phone emulator and it said so, I wish they just put all documentation and all software on the DVD. I can roll back to an earlier Vista version from a USB backup disk that is always powered off, then rebuild as necessary, but I want the security firm to see if it is a trojan in fact first and to see if it can upgrade the security device and provide a roll out of the trojan's work. Right now I am still scripting the documentary and this second quarter is getting this Premiere Pro up ready for third quarter production so I can be philosophical for now, but yes later I will get more disciplined. But at least now I (almost) know the security device is not the all singing wonder they said it was. Oh well. I use a second machine too, a PS3 with Linux, that is what I am using now, this one doesn't seem to get hacked even though it is my sacrificial machine.
Message du 16/04/09 14:21
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Objet : Premiere Pro CS4 eats my C: drive in Vista Ultimate 64-bit SP1
Adobe deserves criticism for its shoddy QC, but not for maing you exposing your main machine at risk on the internet. I never do that, and I never have had a virus or malware on it--never in all the years I've been doing this. I have picked up a few on my internet machine, though, but they are easily fixed with the security scheme I use.
As for restore points possibly eating up disk space, which you alluded to earlieranother never for me. Restore points are a half assed measure at best. My security system is a full clone backup of my C drive starting the day I install and OS on it, and every time I add add a program, and every day when I am working a big complex project. Otherwise, once a week. It takes a few minutes only. That way I can restore everything in equally few minutes should anything bad happen, like poorly designed software affecting other software, a virus, malware, etc, and including drive failurewhich has happened twice over the years.
Don't get me wrong, a virus checker is very useful to a point, but real security design has to start long before you install one, especially if your machine is the heart of your business, as it is for me. What is that old saying? An ounce of prevention is worth..........
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Premiere Pro CS4 won't render my sequences

Everytime I send a sequence to Media Encoder, it just sits there. And sits and sits, etc. At the bottom it just says "Loading "Gleaner_Shoot.prproj".
I'm using a 2008 Mac with 8 cores with 16 gigs of ram.
My footage came from the Canon HV20. I have clips at both 24p and 1080i.
I'm setting up my sequences to match the clips I'm placing in them.
One thing of note is I'm really only using 3 looong clips. Since CS4 doesn't do scene detection well. I opted to instead make subclips from the long clips and use those. 2 of them are about 30 minutes long and one is nearly an hour. Could this be the problem?
Thing is, this happens even when I do a 1-minute sequence test.
It even happens when I try to use a test sequence which contains only audio.
I've tried outputting to quicktime and MPEG 2. I was careful to set the export settings to match the sources.
After a long wait, Media Encoder gives up and I get a warning icon in the status column. It says this:
" - Source File: /Users/johnstanowski/Library/Caches/TemporaryItems/FixThrive_1.prproj
- Output File: /Volumes/Data HD/WEBSITES/BREVITY/3d stuff/Fixthrive_1.mov
- Preset Used: Custom
- Video: 720x480, 30 [fps], Progressive, Quality 100
- Audio:
- Bitrate: None
- Encoding Time: 00:01:19
Wed Dec 3 10:46:04 2008 : Encoding Failed
The Operation was interrupted by user
- Source File: /Users/johnstanowski/Library/Caches/TemporaryItems/Thrive2.mov.prproj
- Output File: /Volumes/Data HD/WEBSITES/BREVITY/3d stuff/Thrive2.mov
- Preset Used: Custom
- Video: 720x480, 29.97 [fps], Progressive, Quality 100
- Audio:
- Bitrate: DV/DVCPRO - NTSC
- Encoding Time: 00:00:15
Wed Dec 3 10:50:39 2008 : Encoding Failed
The Operation was interrupted by user
- Source File: /Volumes/Data HD/WEBSITES/BREVITY/3d stuff/_Front Flash/FLASH/SOURCES/BREVITY RENDER READY.mov
- Output File: /Volumes/Data HD/WEBSITES/BREVITY/3d stuff/_Front Flash/FLASH/FLASH FILES/brevity_render_ready.flv
- Preset Used: Custom
- Video: 903x250, Same as source [fps]
- Audio: MPEG Layer III (MP3), 128 [kbps], Stereo
- Bitrate: VBR, 1000.00 [kbps]
- Encoding Time: 00:01:38
Tue Dec 16 16:44:27 2008 : Encoding Failed
The Operation was interrupted by user
- Source File: /Users/johnstanowski/Library/Caches/TemporaryItems/Gleaner_Shoot.prproj
- Output File: /Users/johnstanowski/Desktop/THURDAY.mov
- Preset Used: Custom
- Video:
- Audio:
- Bitrate:
- Encoding Time: 00:11:07
Tue Aug 4 13:19:39 2009 : Encoding Failed
Could not read from the source. Please check if it has moved or been deleted.
I usually use After Effects so I'm not really up on Premiere that much, but I've used it a good bit in the past and never came across this problem.
Any ideas?

Thanks. I hope I've provided enough information below.
Premiere Pro CS4 (just recently upgraded from CS3 where this session was orignally created)
Dell Precision t5400
Intel Xeon E5400 2.33 Ghz
3.25G RAM
XP Pro
Virtual Memory is tweaked per the optimization article on Adobe site:
sytem RAM + 12MB
2 x system RAM
Hardware Acceleration - disabled in display properties
project is 6 min 30 sec
no fancy edits....standard audio/video transitions only:
cross dissolve
additive dissoolve
band wipe
darn door wipe
audio x fade
audio fade out
audio fade in
VT1:
AVI video clips
BMP stills
1 JPG still
VT2:
credits roll at the end over still shot bmp
AT1:
voice over in WAV
using sidekick 4.1 to trigger the compression on AT2
EQ
de-clicker
AT2:
music backing track in MP3
using sidekick 4.1 triggered compression (ducking) from AT1
Using the default PPR4 workspace layout
Very basic edits in a 6 min training video
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Kyle

Adobe Media Encoder for Premiere Pro CS4 stops working on the same frame every time...

I currently have Adobe Premiere Pro CS4 and have never had these issues exporting before. My timeline is less than 3 minutes long, but it does deal with multiple big files. It rendered perfectly and it plays perfectly in the timeline. When I try to export it using Media Encoder, however, it freezes at the same frame every time (which is actually only a few seconds in!) and then crashes, so that I have to force quit. I have tried exporting it as many different codecs and the problem persists... same frame. I tried creating a new project entirely and whipping together a few titles and exporting that to see if it just won't export anything at all. The new project exported just fine, however, which I suppose is good news. But yeah, my work on that other project is very important to me and I reallllly want to export it. Please help!

Hi Jim! Thank you for your reply. I think you are right -- and that it lies in the audio somehow!
It turns out that if I choose to only export the video, and uncheck audio, it will export very well and smoothly. That's great news for me!
However, now I am trying to work out how to get the audio exported without issues. I actually had the idea of just playing the audio in the timeline and recording it via Stereo Mix, but my Windows 7 driver has Stereo Mix disabled, so it's back to square one. Any ideas of what I can do about the corrupted audio not exporting, which works fine when played in the timeline?

Premiere Pro CS4 added contrast H.264 preview files

Hi,
Any help I can get with this problem would be amazing.
I recently updated my OS to 10.6 as there were programs I wanted to run not available on 10.5, however this caused other issues with Premiere that I couldn't fix so I just decided to go back to 10.5. With both installs I reformatted the hard-drive then installed the OS. Now that I've reinstalled OSX 10.5 and updated to the most current version, and then installed Premiere Pro CS4 and updated that to the most current version (4.2.1) and also updated the codecs for Premiere, I'm having an issue with my preview/render files in my timeline that I never had before. It appears that now when I render my original H.264 files the preview/render files have added contrast/crushed blacks and blown out highlights.
Basically I'm editing H.264 footage from a DSLR, and when I open up a project that I was working on before I began this upgrade mess it opens correctly, but if I extend a clip in my timeline to include part of the original clip that was not previously rendered, Premiere renders this clip with what appears to be increased gain and pedestal/increased contrast. I've also tried this in a new project and it still renders with much more contrast than it used to. Whether in a new project or previous project, Premiere seems to decrease pedestal so my blacks are around/below 7.5 IRE and my whites are at/above 100 IRE. it looks really messed up when this occurs in the middle of a clip that was half rendered before and half after the install. Also I'll bet it's not going to help when it comes to color correcting and it looks like I could be losing image data.
I don't know what has caused this as it was working properly before my attempted upgrade, and I installed Premiere the exact same way as I did the last time I installed it and I'm using the same version. The only hiccup was after the install and upgrade it said media offline on my old project until it asked me to update codecs, once codecs were updated it displayed all footage in my timeline correctly and then I noticed that I could no longer render preview files to the same standard.
Here are screen shot comparisons of a video from my timeline. These are back to back frames, the top one was rendered before the most recent install, the other rendered after. I have put a YC Waveform chart beside the image. Sorry I think the best way to see it is just to follow the link otherwise it's gonna be too small.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/86776146@N03/8101475154/sizes/l/in/photostream/
Also here is a screenshot of the settings I'll describe below.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/86776146@N03/8101463115/sizes/l/in/photostream/
Computer:
Mac OSX 10.5.8
Intel Core Duo
Premiere Pro CS4 (4.2.1)
Project Settings:
HDV 720p
29.97 fps
1280 x 720
square pixels
30fps drop-code
I-Frame Only MPEG (video codec)
I've already searched for a solution to this but come up with nothing. I read a bunch of stuff on the increase in gamma that can happen with .mov files but I don't think this applies to my situation as I would have been having that same issue with my previously rendered footage.
Anything would be really helpful...Thanks
Message was edited by: Mike542

Okay so I've been looking into this in depth over the past few days and I haven't come up with a lot. I have noticed that it's not just the render files but also the inspection window where the clip displays in this manner. It looks like the luma range (as seen in YCbCr scope) is being limited between 7.5 and 92 IRE and I think this is maybe a good indicator of the problem. Why this is happening I don't understand. On my clips that were previously rendered in this timeline there is full range from 0 to 100 in the luma from the YCbCr scope. These files were rendered to an external drive from before I reinstalled Premiere, so it's any h.264 files that I am using after reinstall that are having this issue. I have attached another screen capture illustrating this (look at line to right of scope showing full luma range). Also I have some .mts files from another camera and they import with full luma range as well.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/86776146@N03/8114886495/sizes/l/in/photostream/
When playing my h.264 files in Quicktime or VLC they look about the same in terms of blown out whites and crushed blacks. Does Premiere rely on Quicktime for its h.264 codec or does it have it's own? Is there a way to force premiere to update its codecs/manually download and replace the h.264 codec?
I really can't understand what's happening here and I can't do any work when imported clips are this messed up. Can someone please help out on this!!! Super frustrating and seems to constantly happen with Premiere...

Need help with 24fps in Premiere Pro CS4

I am having issues working with 24fps imported video. My computer hardware is an AMD dual core processor running at 2.6GHz. It has 2GB of Kingston Hyper-X memory, 2x 300GB hard drives (not RAID), and an Nvidia 7900GS video card with 256MB video ram. My operating system is Windows Vista Ultimate with SP1. I am running Premiere Pro CS4 with all the current updates.
So here is the issue I am having. I captured video on a Canon XL2 in 24fps, 16:9 widescreen, and 2:3:3:2 pulldown. My CS4 project settings were set up as DV-24P Widescreen 48KHz. I did not try changing other settings on the other tabs. I captured the video directly from the XL2 with no dropped frames. The resulting AVI plays back in Windows Media Player 11 correctly. What I mean by that is the is no jerky video, I get no raster lines, and the video quality is very clear. When I load the video into the time line and play it back in the program monitor the video jerks like it is dropping frames, I get raster lines and it looks like video clarity fades in and out.
At first I thought nothing about it. I used Adobe Media Encoder, and burned a DVD. Playback on my widescreen TV looked jerky, rastered, and the video was only clear in static scenes. So I made some test projects with different settings. Still had no success. The original capture looks good, but whatever I do in Premiere the video jerks and looks like old VHS video.
I did another test. I set the XL2 to 30P and 4:3, and captured the video. Again the captured AVI looks good. Put it on the Premiere timeline and played it in the program monitor. It plays fine - good video quality, no rastering, and no jerking. Made a DVD with no problems in the video. So my question is what setting in Premiere do I need to capture, edit, and export 24fps 16:9 widescreen video so that it plays back with with the same video quality as it was captured? Do you think it is an encoder problem? The captured AVI is what ever encoder came with Windows/Premiere as I have not added any other encoders.
Any help would be apperciated. If I have not supplied enough information, please just ask.

If the video is playing back badly in Premiere Pro from the timeline, then the things I would check would be the program monitor quality - is it set to highest...if you don't know where that it is, click on the 4 horizontal lines in the top corner of the program monitor - make sure highest quality is selected. It also may be a video card issue - are your drivers up to date? If the clips are only playing back badly on the PPro timeline (and anything exported from it), but fine in Windows Media Player - something is up.
As for the frame rate - no, you don't have to work at 24P...as mentioned before, the camera actually records at 29.97 fps, but is able to be played back and edited at 23.976 fps (or 24P)...it's a complicated explanation on how it all works...
If you're going to finish to a regular DVD, then working at 29.97 is the way to go. As for the interpret footage command, highlight the clips in your bin, then right click on them - in the menu, you'll see interpret footage - click on that and a new window should open...you should see a box with a check next to it that says remove 24P pulldown - click it (removing the check) and the footage frame rate should change to 29.97 - then click OK...create a 29.97 sequence (DV NTSC Widescreen 48Khz), and edit away.

Adobe Premiere Pro CS4 Cannot Export to Encoder Cannot find Updates

I am trying to export my movie from Adobe Premiere Pro CS4, I get a window that reads: An Adobe Media Endocer update is available for this version of Premiere Prol To download the latest update, please run the Adobe Updater from the Help menu or visit htt://www.adobe.com/downloads/updates. When I go help menu and select updates, It only comes back with the Adobe Reader 9 update. When I visit http://www.adobe.com/downloades/updates I cannot find the update anywhere, all updates seem to be for CS5.
Everytime I have used this program in the past the Encoder programs opens automatically when I export from Premiere Pro. But not anymore.
When I open Encoder then open Premiere Pro and export my movie, It loads into Encoder but I get these two error readings. Microsoft Visual C++ Runtime Library, Assertion Failed! Program:... File:..\GUI\Editor.cpp, Line: 391, Expression: false, For information on how your program can cause an assertion failure, see the Visual C++ documentation on asserts (Press Retry to debug the application - JIT must be enabled
When I select retry, I get another window that reads: PProHeadless.exe has stopped working, A problem caused the program to stop working correctly, Windows will close the program and notify yoou if a solution is available.

What Adobe products do you have installed? Production Premium or ?
What you did puts the file into the ame queue, but does not actually export it.
Can you open ame? Start -> Programs -> [adobe program group] -> Adobe Media Encoder

Premiere Pro CS4 4.2.1 Halts rendering whatever I ask!

Hi there.
Finally I decided to post this.
I have been tracking in internet this situation for months... since PPro CS4 got out, I have been testing and working with it. However, I cannot say I prefer CS4 to other opponents (even one or two Linux apps oddly). The thing is when an app makes us spectate, we should have results! I cannot go back to previous releases of PPro because I need that queue in AME. So, let me beggin to explain the error:
The application (Premiere Pro CS4 or Adobe Media Encoder [AME]) halts forever when rendering video (a code loop? while "something"="some thing" then do "render frame again"?). So, happening the error in two aplications that use a bunch of files, I must say it is something used by booth like, my guess, PProHeadless. Moreover, the video it might have a filter or not, an opacity key, might be in a diferent format and created within adobe realm, or even outside like Fusion or Combustion, it can stop. And I say can because I am making tests these holy days to reach a conclusion: it's random. It might ocour in frame 150, or in 20 000, with some kind of format video or a filter or everything "as nature as" a PPro captured avi.
Graphics? Updated as today means. Windows? Up to date also! Adobe Premiere Pro? same thing as you already noticed.
This halt is documented by a png file atached to this post. With taskmanager also. That halt is typical. I am in windows 7 64bits, but also have winxp 64bits that produces the same error. The program can only be terminated by process kill and that sort of things.
As I have searched thoughout the internet, I have only seen a post in creative cows that appears similar to this. No luke for a solution yet. When update 4.2.0 came and I had an enormouse reliefe, thiinking it would "heal" the program... no good. I have not been able to respect some deadlines with clients. I will shift if necessary! At least the minimum would be an error ex spit by the program... nothing never came out. I'm blind and adobe might be also. All programs I've try to develop had error mannagement. CS4 release was something apparatuouse but could had wait for a 4.1.0 update in Premiere for instance... I am really tempted for a mac! At least I know what should I buy to make a program run in there... just a mac!
As I see, no software seems to be the problem. It's a fresh install of windows 7 and PPro CS4. Nothing else installed in the system but flash, vlc, acrobat reader MSN live, calim av, proDVD mercalli
Hardware bug or incopatability?
So... my specs if this helps:
Processor:     AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3500+ 2.21 GHz
Ram:             5,00 GB 667Mhz
OS:               Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit Operating System
Graphic board: NVIDIA GeForce 7300 LE
MB:               Asus M2N-E with Serial 3Gb/s RAID
Disks:            1 SATA for OS.     SATA Disks for footage and project storage 7000 rotations all I think
I believe everything is Adobe PPro supported... so... where the hell is the problem?
Thanks in advance!

OK
I have been these days arround this issue. Done many troubleshooting... trying to understand problems. Here is what I got:
Getting the hauppauge board off the PC seems to have stopped the "halt" of the encoders and renderings in Premiere and AME. Hope it won't happen again, but, It's kind an exclusion game... What was diferent from the setups I have seen in many forums and posts was this ancient board. Adobe shoulde analyse this one against Premiere CS4 and AME: Hauppauge WinTV-Go bt848 conexant board (or it's a lost of time... as it's not supported anymore in Windows, but is in Linux :] ).
As for the playback... a fine tune for performance options of my graphic board was able to reduce the jerkiness of video... so I had the idea to also overclock both processor and graphics. The result is this:
Before: Processing of video with the timeline in view (default workspace) was allways 100%, skipping so many frames that even entire clips coundln't send a sigle frame. Where only the output frame (ç shortcut) playback was almost aceptable, with processing at 100% and some times going leaving a tiny space for other things to process.... The fine tune of graphics board, was able to get in default workspace the insertion of may more frames in there, and with ç shortcut - output full mode, it was 95-100 spiking frequently between them.
Now: Default workspace: 80% processing... Output frame: 60-70% My pc is now in test to seach for the optimal (aceptable) overclock parameters. And it seems I can overclock even more (not in graphics but the processor).
This is good and aceptable for the computer setup...
However, to everyone reading this, please be very carfull at how you overclock. Be shure you read everything you can find (from reliable sources - your hardware suppliers, as for the processor, the mother board, the graphic board... etc..). If you mess something, better you have the money to replace :].
Thanks for everyting

Adobe Premiere Pro CS4 crashes on load with project

When I try to load my CS4 projects the application crashes with the error:
"Sorry, a serious error has occurred that requires Adobe Premiere Pro to shut down. We will attempt to save your current project."
I have my hard drive partitioned: C drive for my OS; D drive for my data; and I also have an external hard drive which is H. I installed Adobe Premiere on my D drive and saved all the my project files and data on my external drive H. A couple weeks ago I got a virus and I wiped out my C drive. So, I reinstalled Windows XP. After reinstalling XP and getting my machine back up and running I removed Premiere Pro CS4 from my D drive and installed it on my C:drive. I connected my external drive to my computer and Windows assigned the drive letter F to my external. I launched my project file and it said it could not find my data and it crashed with the above message. I opened my project file in a text editor and I saw that file path was H:\... for all my data so I reassigned the drive back to H hoping that was the reason for the crash. Much to my chagrin it was not as I try opening the project file now and it finds all the files but it still crashes. I'm all out of ideas at this point. Is there a log file that I can look at to try to troubleshoot this any further? Has anyone seen this happen before? Should I reinstall Adobe Premiere Pro? I am under a time crunch here as I need to open this project and make some edits.
Any help is greatly appreciated!
Thanks.
-Jeff

Jeff,
The Page File is MS Windows' "virtual memory." It gets activity, when physical RAM is not available. Especially with video editing, this happens a lot. It can be set via Control>Panel>System. Windows can either dynamically create and size the file, as is necessary, or it can be set to provide the necessary size statically - always the same, and is *usually* set to ~ 2.5x the physical RAM.
With one physical HDD, that is partitioned, you have about 4-5 operations going on at the same time, and your I/O system is basically telling the heads of your HDD to be in different places/platters at this same time. Unfortunately, this is impossible, and one gets system hangs, sluggish performance, crashes or worse.
There are several good threads on suggested HDD setups for NLE work on this forum. I'd step back a level, so you get all Premiere forums, and search for some of these articles. There are a lot of worthwhile suggestions for number, type, connection and configuration of HDD's.
Good luck,
Hunt

What's a good HD camera to use with Premiere Pro CS4

I've used Premiere Pro CS4 for a while now and most of the time I don't have any problems, but recently, I've been buying HD cameras, shooting some AVCHD and then having a hell of a time getting them to play nice with Premiere Pro (or WMindows Media Player... or Quicktime... or anything but their crappy bundled software that won't let me edit or anything). My girlfriend says I should give up and buy a Mac and use FCP, but I like Premiere Pro. I'm about to take another camera back to Best Buy and I'm wondering if anyone has a suggestion for the easiest camera to use with Premiere Pro.
In case you're wondering, I've bought a Canon Vixia HF10 and a Samsung HMX-H100 so far and both had every issue I can think of from codec incompatibility to aspect ratios changing to A/V sync being lost to all-out-I-don't-know-WTF-just-happend-errors. I just want a camera that's going to give me a file I can drop straight into Premiere.

Unless you want a new computer, forget about AVCHD. It requires too much muscle to edit comfortably on anything but the fastest computer.
What camera is nice, depends on your budget. Formats that are easy to edit are HDV, DVCProHD (P2) and XDCAM. In the consumer range you could look at the Canon HV40 or XH-A1s, in the prosumer range look at the Panasonic AG-HPX170, Canon XH-H1s, JVC GY-ND250 or Sony HVR Z5 or Z7 and all Sony XDCAM cameras, especially the EX1 and EX3. In the professional range look at the Sony PDW-F355 or upward.

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