PPI VS. DPI in verbal printing discussion

Hi,
I was wondering If I could get a professional opinion on how DPI and PPI should be conversed with a print vendor?
This would include screen printing and offset printing.
Also, for years when I talk with a designer, I always asked to save as 300 DPI…not 300 PPI thats just the language I have been used to.
Can someone please give me an endepth explaniation of the two choices and which is more common to use.
Personally I think DPI is the more current to use.
Thanks…please advise,
JB

They are used interchangably (unfortunately) and if they ask for 300 DPI then you can be confident that they mean 300 PPI.
However, this doesn't make it correct: there are no "dots" in a digital image, never have been and never will be. There are only pixels. PPI is the correct unit of measurement, and that's only if you know the print size; the actual resolution of a digital image is the total number of pixels, for example 1500px by 850px -- until you determine the output size there is no PPI measurement. Of course you need to know the output size in order to give them 300 PPI; scanning an image @ 300 PPI and then enlarging it 200% in your layour will give you an effective resolution of 150 PPI.
DPI refers to output resolution of a device such as a printer, imagesetter, platesetter, etc. It does not refer to linescreen (that would be lines per inch, or LPI).
The best way to avoid confusion in any discussion is to use proper terminology (and teach and encourage others to do the same).

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