Premiere Pro CS4 no 5.1 Surround, only DolbyDigital Stereo!
Hallo,
ich habe ein Projekt eröffnet in Premiere Pro CS4 mit DolbyDigital. Habe anschließend meine AVCHD Videomaterial mit 5.1 Surround importiert. Die Soundspur wurde auch korrekt ind die 5.1 Soundspur eingefügt. Anschließend habe ich über den Adobe Dynamik Link mein Projekt an Encore CS4 gesendet. Dort habe ich ebenfalls ein Projekt eröffnet mit dein Einstellungen DVD und DolbyDigital. Ein Menü erstellt und anschließend auf DVD ausgegeben. Leider habe ich auf der DVD nur DolbyDigital Stereo! Warum? Was mache ich falsch?
Vorab vielen Dank für eine Antwort.
Hello,
I have opened a project in premiere pro CS4 with Dolby-Digital. If my videomaterial AVCHD with 5.1 Surround has imported afterwards. The sound track was also inserted correctly in the 5.1 trace. Afterwards I have sent about the Adobe Dynamklink my project to Encore CS4. There I have also opened a project with your settings DVD and Dolby-Digital. A menu provided and afterwards on DVD spent. Unfortunately, I have on the DVD only Dolby-Digital in stereo! Why? What do I make wrong?
thank you beforehand for answer
Hallo Torsten,
Ja, ich spreche deutsch aber ich wohne in den Niederlanden, in Rotterdam. Ich habe jedoch das Glueck gehabt in der Schweiz zur Schule gegangen zu sein und gelegentlich noch deutsch oder sogar baernduetsch zu reden. Mein Vater und meine Tochter leben beiden in der Schweiz, genau wie verschiedene Freunden. Also deswegen...
Die Adobe Mitarbeiter haben deine Frage offensichtlich nicht ganz verstanden. Es ist richtig dass du 5.1 Audio von Encore ausgeben kannst ohne plug-in, aber sie haben sich nicht die Frage gestellt woher diese Audio in 5.1 Format herkommen soll. Sie haben einfach angenommen dass du schon ein 5.1 Soundtrack zur Verfuegung hast. Dazu brauchst du die Surcode plug-in zur Ausgabe von PR nach EN.
Die unkontrollierte Knackser die du hast, kommen oefters vor. Meistens ist das zurueck zu fuehren auf ungenuegend Disk Geschwindigkeit. Du kannst probieren die Media Cache zu entfernen, PR ab zu schliessen, PR erneut zu starten und dann wird alles erneut indexiert, conformed und PEK files werden erneut hergestellt. Vielleicht hilft das.
Hallo Harm,
Du sprichst deutsch! Damit hätte ich jetzt nicht gerechnet. Eigentlich bin ich auch davon ausgegangen, dass mein schriftliches Englisch misserabel ist!
Danke nochmals für Deine Antwort und das Angebot Dir eine PN schicken zu dürfen, wenn ich noch eine Frage haben sollte. Ich habe vor einigen Wochen eine Hochzeit gefilmt mit meiner Sonykamera und bin fast verrückt geworden, dass ich das mit 5.1 nicht hinbekommen habe. Ich habe meine drei Tests nun aufgebraucht und werde mir die Freischaltung des SurCode holen.
Eine Frage hätte ich noch, die mich momentan beschäftigt. Ich habe in den letzten Wochen verschiedene Aufnahmen getätigt. Wenn ich mein Filmmaterial in Premiere Pro importiere, habe ich im Sound immer wieder unkontrollierte Knackser. Wenn ich mir jedoch das Originalmaterial, z. B. mit dem VLC-Player anschaue, sind keine Knackser vorhanden. Hast Du darauf eine Antwort oder Idee. Das Soundmaterial liegt wieder in 5.1 vor.
Ich habe auch bereits mit Adobe u. a. wegen diesem Problem Kontakt aufgenommen, jeodch von dort erhalte ich keine Vernünftige Antwort. Die wollten mir auch weiß machen, dass ich mit dem Encore mein Video in 5.1 ausgeben kann und kein Plug-In benötige.
P.S.: Lebst Du eigentlich in Deutschland?
Grüße Torsten
Uebrigens, woher kommst du eigentlich? Trifft dies zu:
Von der Weser bis zur Elbe,
Von dem Harz bis an das Meer
Stehen Niedersachsens Söhne,
Eine feste Burg und Wehr
Fest wie unsre Eichen
halten alle Zeit wir stand,
Wenn Stürme brausen
Übers deutsche Vaterland.
Wir sind die Niedersachsen,
Sturmfest und erdverwachsen,
Heil Herzog Widukinds Stamm!
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Objet : Premiere Pro CS4 eats my C: drive in Vista Ultimate 64-bit SP1
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3) Build a sequence out of the 4 vob files
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5) Import the sequence into Encore CS4 and burn a standard DVD
I was successful in all of the above steps 1-5. So what's the problem? I noticed, when viewing the output DVD, that at a certain point (only a single point) in the movie, the sound was garbled and the frames got 'wonky' (a technical term I picked up from Deke McClelland). My first assumption, was that I had messed something up somewhere in my editing process. When I navigated to the problematic time in my Premiere project, I saw that there was a problem in that at a certain point, the video would flicker, after which the audio would be out of sync with the video and would remain so until the end of the sequence. If instead, I simply navigated within the sequence to a few seconds past where the problematic frames seemed to be, all would be well (audio and video in sync). So, this means to me, that at the point where the problematic frames seem to be, Premiere has trouble interpreting them, and from that point on, the sequence is affected. If the seemingly problematic frames are skipped, then Premiere does not enter its bad state.
The next troubleshooting step was to start afresh, and see if the problem existed prior to making any edits to the sequence (i.e. steps 1-3 above). The problem still existed.
The next troubleshooting step was to see if a media player exhibited the same behavior as Premiere. So I took the same vobs and viewed them with Windows Media Player 11. There was no problem viewing the exact same vob in Media Player 11 that essentially is not viewable in Premiere Pro CS4 4.1. Hmm.
The next troubleshooting step was to see if an encoding program would exhibit the same behavior as Premiere. I imported the same vobs into TmpEnc, and when viewing them, no problems were exhibited.
Although not conclusive, it appears that there is a bug in Premiere Pro CS4 4.1.
Another problem that I noticed with vobs, is that sometimes, Premiere Pro CS4 4.1 does not recognize the proper frame rate of a standard DVD vob file, e.g. given 5 vobs that comprise a single movie, the first vob is shown as simply a video file (i.e. no audio at all) @ 29.97 fps in the Project panel, but the subsequent 4 vobs are recognized correctly as having both audio and video @ 23.976 fps. As before, I validated that the apparently problematic vob (from the Premiere Pro CS4 4.1 point of view) renders/plays perfectly fine in other applications (i.e. no audio or video problems). I attempted to use 'Interpret Footage' to rectify the problem with the vob, and when I type in 23.976 fps, it takes it, but then displays in the Project panel as 23.98 fps. It didn't fix the problem, but I was wondering if diplaying 23.976 as 23.98 (as opposed to 23.976 which is shown for the non-problematic vobs) is another problem.
Thanks much for any and all help,
Matt
My system specs, if needed:
OS - Vista Ultimate SP2, x64, fully updated
CPU - Xeon e5440 x 2
RAM - 16 Gb
Master Collection CS4 with all updates installedWelcome to the forum.
Now, you have several problems, but most are with your choice of equipment and your workflow, not your choice of an NLE.
I took a wedding video from 1990 on a VCR tape and turned it to digital via a Dazzle hardware unit that plugs into the computer. It gives me vob files with no menus or anything like that
Few people have ever been able to get a Dazzle to work. This is true, even with the Pinnacle software, that often comes with it. It is an AVID product now, as they bought Pinnacle, and if you can get it to work at all, you are ahead of 99% of all owners. Stop by the Pinnacle fora and type in Dazzle. You will get the idea quickly.
A far better workflow would be to use a VHS player, hooked to an A-D device, like the Canopus/Grass Valley 110, or their 300. Use the Edius software that comes with it, to Capture DV-AVI Type II files w/ 48KHz 16-bit Audio. There will be zero OOS issues.
Most other equipment and workflows are kludges and seldom work at any level.
A good workman does not blame his tools. He might blame his choice of tools, but not the tools. Unfortunately, you chose a piece of hardware that doesn't usually work with the included software, and are blaming a great NLE program, because you are trying to work with horribly bad footage.
Please do yourself a favor. Donate the Dazzle to Goodwill, and look at the Canopus/Grass Valley 110. The price differential is not that great, and you will keep all of your hair.
Good luck,
Hunt
PS just did 34 VHS tapes via the above suggestions (some LP and some EP), and got many hours of usable footage. Not one glitch. No OOS. Every file edited perfectly in PrPro and I delivered 15 DVD-5's, that the client loved. I paid for a Canopus 300 with just my time on one project.
PPS, please see my post #5 for a link to an article on VOB files.
Message was edited by: the_wine_snob Added PPS -
Premiere Pro CS4 added contrast H.264 preview files
Hi,
Any help I can get with this problem would be amazing.
I recently updated my OS to 10.6 as there were programs I wanted to run not available on 10.5, however this caused other issues with Premiere that I couldn't fix so I just decided to go back to 10.5. With both installs I reformatted the hard-drive then installed the OS. Now that I've reinstalled OSX 10.5 and updated to the most current version, and then installed Premiere Pro CS4 and updated that to the most current version (4.2.1) and also updated the codecs for Premiere, I'm having an issue with my preview/render files in my timeline that I never had before. It appears that now when I render my original H.264 files the preview/render files have added contrast/crushed blacks and blown out highlights.
Basically I'm editing H.264 footage from a DSLR, and when I open up a project that I was working on before I began this upgrade mess it opens correctly, but if I extend a clip in my timeline to include part of the original clip that was not previously rendered, Premiere renders this clip with what appears to be increased gain and pedestal/increased contrast. I've also tried this in a new project and it still renders with much more contrast than it used to. Whether in a new project or previous project, Premiere seems to decrease pedestal so my blacks are around/below 7.5 IRE and my whites are at/above 100 IRE. it looks really messed up when this occurs in the middle of a clip that was half rendered before and half after the install. Also I'll bet it's not going to help when it comes to color correcting and it looks like I could be losing image data.
I don't know what has caused this as it was working properly before my attempted upgrade, and I installed Premiere the exact same way as I did the last time I installed it and I'm using the same version. The only hiccup was after the install and upgrade it said media offline on my old project until it asked me to update codecs, once codecs were updated it displayed all footage in my timeline correctly and then I noticed that I could no longer render preview files to the same standard.
Here are screen shot comparisons of a video from my timeline. These are back to back frames, the top one was rendered before the most recent install, the other rendered after. I have put a YC Waveform chart beside the image. Sorry I think the best way to see it is just to follow the link otherwise it's gonna be too small.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/86776146@N03/8101475154/sizes/l/in/photostream/
Also here is a screenshot of the settings I'll describe below.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/86776146@N03/8101463115/sizes/l/in/photostream/
Computer:
Mac OSX 10.5.8
Intel Core Duo
Premiere Pro CS4 (4.2.1)
Project Settings:
HDV 720p
29.97 fps
1280 x 720
square pixels
30fps drop-code
I-Frame Only MPEG (video codec)
I've already searched for a solution to this but come up with nothing. I read a bunch of stuff on the increase in gamma that can happen with .mov files but I don't think this applies to my situation as I would have been having that same issue with my previously rendered footage.
Anything would be really helpful...Thanks
Message was edited by: Mike542Okay so I've been looking into this in depth over the past few days and I haven't come up with a lot. I have noticed that it's not just the render files but also the inspection window where the clip displays in this manner. It looks like the luma range (as seen in YCbCr scope) is being limited between 7.5 and 92 IRE and I think this is maybe a good indicator of the problem. Why this is happening I don't understand. On my clips that were previously rendered in this timeline there is full range from 0 to 100 in the luma from the YCbCr scope. These files were rendered to an external drive from before I reinstalled Premiere, so it's any h.264 files that I am using after reinstall that are having this issue. I have attached another screen capture illustrating this (look at line to right of scope showing full luma range). Also I have some .mts files from another camera and they import with full luma range as well.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/86776146@N03/8114886495/sizes/l/in/photostream/
When playing my h.264 files in Quicktime or VLC they look about the same in terms of blown out whites and crushed blacks. Does Premiere rely on Quicktime for its h.264 codec or does it have it's own? Is there a way to force premiere to update its codecs/manually download and replace the h.264 codec?
I really can't understand what's happening here and I can't do any work when imported clips are this messed up. Can someone please help out on this!!! Super frustrating and seems to constantly happen with Premiere... -
Need help with 24fps in Premiere Pro CS4
I am having issues working with 24fps imported video. My computer hardware is an AMD dual core processor running at 2.6GHz. It has 2GB of Kingston Hyper-X memory, 2x 300GB hard drives (not RAID), and an Nvidia 7900GS video card with 256MB video ram. My operating system is Windows Vista Ultimate with SP1. I am running Premiere Pro CS4 with all the current updates.
So here is the issue I am having. I captured video on a Canon XL2 in 24fps, 16:9 widescreen, and 2:3:3:2 pulldown. My CS4 project settings were set up as DV-24P Widescreen 48KHz. I did not try changing other settings on the other tabs. I captured the video directly from the XL2 with no dropped frames. The resulting AVI plays back in Windows Media Player 11 correctly. What I mean by that is the is no jerky video, I get no raster lines, and the video quality is very clear. When I load the video into the time line and play it back in the program monitor the video jerks like it is dropping frames, I get raster lines and it looks like video clarity fades in and out.
At first I thought nothing about it. I used Adobe Media Encoder, and burned a DVD. Playback on my widescreen TV looked jerky, rastered, and the video was only clear in static scenes. So I made some test projects with different settings. Still had no success. The original capture looks good, but whatever I do in Premiere the video jerks and looks like old VHS video.
I did another test. I set the XL2 to 30P and 4:3, and captured the video. Again the captured AVI looks good. Put it on the Premiere timeline and played it in the program monitor. It plays fine - good video quality, no rastering, and no jerking. Made a DVD with no problems in the video. So my question is what setting in Premiere do I need to capture, edit, and export 24fps 16:9 widescreen video so that it plays back with with the same video quality as it was captured? Do you think it is an encoder problem? The captured AVI is what ever encoder came with Windows/Premiere as I have not added any other encoders.
Any help would be apperciated. If I have not supplied enough information, please just ask.If the video is playing back badly in Premiere Pro from the timeline, then the things I would check would be the program monitor quality - is it set to highest...if you don't know where that it is, click on the 4 horizontal lines in the top corner of the program monitor - make sure highest quality is selected. It also may be a video card issue - are your drivers up to date? If the clips are only playing back badly on the PPro timeline (and anything exported from it), but fine in Windows Media Player - something is up.
As for the frame rate - no, you don't have to work at 24P...as mentioned before, the camera actually records at 29.97 fps, but is able to be played back and edited at 23.976 fps (or 24P)...it's a complicated explanation on how it all works...
If you're going to finish to a regular DVD, then working at 29.97 is the way to go. As for the interpret footage command, highlight the clips in your bin, then right click on them - in the menu, you'll see interpret footage - click on that and a new window should open...you should see a box with a check next to it that says remove 24P pulldown - click it (removing the check) and the footage frame rate should change to 29.97 - then click OK...create a 29.97 sequence (DV NTSC Widescreen 48Khz), and edit away. -
What is the best way to handle .mod files in premiere pro cs4?
I recently got a JVC Everio GZ-MG130u and as I'm sure many of you are aware, it saves footage in the .mod format.
I have googled this and found quite a few different solutions, but I'm just wondering if anything has changed since some of these solutions were posted, or in other words, what is the best way at this current point in time to handle .mod files in premiere pro cs4?
As far as I know, the best thing to do is convert the .mod to .avi and then import it into premiere so it can be edited.. Is there a better way to do it than this? Also, by doing it this way, will I have separate audio and video tracks?
Thanks.I have just done a bit of reading, here. All of the quotes that follow are from users who have posted in that thread.
It seems that there isn't one solid answer on this subject. The thread that I linked to was started 2 years ago, and replied to just 4 ago, so it's relatively current.
I noticed a couple different interesting statements:
posted by mmontgomery:
In the case of .MOD, you are actually getting a MPEG-2 file. The way
video files work is that there is a codec (COmpressor/DECompressor)
algorithm and a file wrapper (or extension). A JVC .MOD file is a
MPEG-2 encoded file, with a .MOD extension.
You're faced with two
challenges, first the .MOD file type is only recognized and support by a
few applications. I think we covered some of those already. The
interesting thing about wrappers and extensions is that they can be
dealt with in a variety of ways. Sometimes all you need to do to convert
the video file to a compatible video file is to change the extension.
In the case of .MOD files that's not enough. The .MOD wrapper apparently
does a few more things than just bare a unique extension name. It
requires a slightly more complicated method to convert that file. That
is why there is supplied software and that certain third party
applications have .MOD support.
(posted 2 years ago)
This seems to indicate that Ann's solution of simply re-naming the extension is not good enough, unless I am mis-interpreting what she meant.
However, another user said:
posted by futball8:
I edit with Adobe Premiere Pro CS3. All I have to do is simply rename
the .MOD files as .MPG and then import into PP CS3. It takes a small
amount of time to conform the audio, but no file conversion is
necessary. It's a pretty slick workflow and I've never encountered any
problems editing them this way.
(posted 5 months ago)
One can only assume that simply re-naming the extension from .mod to .mpg works in some circumstances, and doesn't work in others. I assume it depends largely on the editing software being used. Perhaps there are still issues that futball8 was simply unaware of or never encountered.
That said, there seems to be a couple of different real solutions to this problem that I have found:
1. Simply use an editing program that supports .mod file format. While pe7 and pe8 supposedly support the .mod format, the following should be noted:
posted by macksgarage:
While Elements 'supports' these files, it is markedly unstable and frequently crashes while using the files, though the application is otherwise reliable. The solution I have arrived at is to repair the container using ffmpeg. (see #3)
(posted 5 months ago)
2. Use a file conversion utility of your choice that will covert .mod to .avi, or another desired format. Import the resulting .avi file into premiere pro cs4.
3. Use FFmpeg. This seems to be the best solution as it does not convert any audio or video:
posted by macksgarae:
If you are not familiar with ffmpeg, it may be a bit of a bear to
learn, but it's not only useful for this, but functions as a video swiss
army knife useful for splicing, muxing/demuxing, and rendering just
about any format into just about any other format.
ffmpeg is an open source project from the linux world, but it has
been ported and is supported on windows. Fetch it here and place it somewhere handy
on your system.
To rewrite the container into a nice, standards compliant .mpg file
that doesn't make applications die, WITHOUT rerendering video or audio
itself, I use this command.
ffmpeg -i INFILE.MOD -acodec copy - vcodec copy OUTFILE.mpg
This not only renames the file, but actually rebuilds the container
around unmodified video and audio data, yielding a file which works much
more stably with Adobe applications, and presumably others as well, as
ffmpeg's open source development goals result in very standards
compliant files.
(posted 5 months ago)
Now, this seems to properly address the issues that can arise from simply renaming .mod to .mpg, as suggested by Ann. So from this point, I assume you can simply import the .mpg into Premiere Pro cs4 (or any other .mpg compliant program) and edit without issue, but it seems like I remember hearing something about Premiere not liking mpegs or something like that, so in that case, maybe it'd be better to skip this and go with option #2. But, it's been awhile since I've touched any NLE, much less premiere pro cs4, so I could be completely wrong and it may have no problems handling mpegs.
All of the things that I've quoted here came from the same thread, so I don't know how accurate any of this is, but the people that have posted these things seem fairly knowledgeable. If someone reads all of this and can confirm or deny any of it, it would be much appreciated.
Option 1 is not really an option for me, because I am sticking with premiere pro cs4 -- I'm not going to get another editor just because it has .mod support. That leaves me with options 2 and 3: Convert to avi, or change the file wrapper/extension properly with FFmpeg and then simply import the resulting .mpg file... Which is better? Or is there yet another solution that I am unaware of that would be even better?
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