Print proofing workflow

I'm finally starting to sit down and learn how to use Aperture's proofing workflow. It seems to be a bit lacking and there are some really obvious improvements that could be made.
1) There isn't any black-point compensation on the proof view, it's really hard to tell when the dark areas are going to clip. Come to think of it, there aren't any options for how the proofing is displayed. Someone mentioned in the past that the proofing uses Absolute Colorimetric (or another clipping intent). Ouch.
2) There's no underflow indicator. Considering there's a overflow indicator (Show Hot Spots) it seems like a fairly obvious feature. I'm trying to figure out when my blacks are going to clip and it's not easy. As a workaround I keep having to zoom in with 'z' because the loupe doesn't work with proofing.
3) I want to use the compare tools to compare the original alongside a proofed version that I'm trying to tweak to get as close to the original as possible. This isn't possible because the proofing is applied to all visible images. I need to be able to turn on proofing for one image only.
4) The export options don't have any options for intent.
So far most of my Photoshop proofing workflow isn't really panning out in Aperture. How many of you are using Aperture as the proofing tool? For those that are, am I missing something? Pros do print things out, right?
PS: I found a pretty cool article with great examples about rendering intents here: http://www.creativepro.com/story/feature/12641-1.html
Dual 1.8 G5 Mac OS X (10.4.3) 1GB RAM, Sony Artisan Monitor, Sony HC-1 HD Camera

Sean, nice list. Have you submitted your wants to Apple yet?
As for me, I've gotten some nice proof prints out of the program using both the histogram and a calibrated monitor. So far, what I've gotten out of my Epson 2200 has matched what I've seen on my 23" cinema display.
Jeff Weinberg

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Before digging too far, I need to understand what you're trying to achieve.
With the print settings you describe you are instructing the application to perform two conversions. The color chain is Document CMYK (FOGRA27) – Proof CMYK (ISO Uncoated) – Document CMYK (FOGRA27).
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2. Simulate Black Ink On = Relative Colorimetric, Black Point Compensation Off
3. Paper Color On = Absolute Colorimetric
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For the most accurate proof #3 is the best option. That is not saying that absolute colorimetric is ideal for file conversions. It is a rendering intent that is ideal for a proofing workflow, and the conversion to the print device (the 2nd conversion in the output you describe) is what is at the heart of the proofing workflow.

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I need to buy a new small color laser printer to print proofs from InDesign. I have had bad experience with HP and Canon printers when transparent areas have been printed. However, Xerox smaller office printers as 6280 with true Adobe Postscript have always printed as expected but a little too dark and too much red in photos. When looking around I can only find Xerox with true Adobe Postscript. My questions are:
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- which small color laser printers can you recommend for proofs?
The smaller the better. Print speed is not especially important as long as print quality from InDesign is good and toner cost isn't too expensive.
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I just repalced my Xerox Phaser 790 last week. It was neither small nor very fast. I got samples of my files from a Phaser 7760, which is now in closeout and discounted slightly (but still not cheap) and they looked pretty good, until I looked at the prints from the newer model, the Phaser 7800, that was just introduced. Those prints blew me away, and that's what I bought. This is a tabloid size printer, commercial duty, very fast, and the base model is a little over $5000, so probably not what you had in mind. Toner is not cheap, either.
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The Monitor Gamut Warning feature (top left icon in the histogram when soft proofing is enabled) is supposed to show us what colors in the current image cannot be reproduced on the display. Right ? If I understand well, the warning computation is made by comparing the current image (virtualized by LR in the Melissa RGB color space) to the gamut of the display (read from the active calibration profile).
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indeed they are vague about this. My thought about this comes from conversing with Adobe folks here and elsewhere as I am pretty sure I'vce discussed this on the forum before. As far as I know the monitor warning is supposed to be calculated after the conversion to the printer profile so that you get an idea whether the soft proofed color is accurately displayed. That shoud be the correct behavior as proofing can actually take a color either in or out of the monitor gamut. I am not 100% sure on this though but it certainly explains how it behaves.
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If you only want to know whether your image is outside of the display profile, you can indeed trick the soft proof to allow you to select a display profile as the printer proofing profile. You can in principle select a standard working space such as prophotoRGB there and get results that make sense. But you definitely do not want to have a random printer profile selected for the reasons cited above. I guess they could add some smartness to detect that you selected the profile of the current display and not a profile of another random display and then collapse the interface but that is such an edge case that I doubt Adobe would prioritize this. It works fine if you simply realize that you selected your monitor profile as the printer proof profile.

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