Product Costing without PP ( Production Planning ) Module.

Is it possible to implement product costing without PP being implemented ? If yes then how and what steps and if no then why is it not possible ?
Edited by: sapr3india on Mar 25, 2010 11:42 PM

HI,
Yes, It can be done using the CO Production order.
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Thanks for the reply..
Yes, as you rightly mentioned..It is not very simple...Utility production is bit complicated than normally believed by majority.
But for captive production of power & water, we had used PP/CO-PC successfully for may be more than 12 years(in tatas)..
What was done in Tatas, power as a material(finished good) and BOM/ recipe for it in the PP.
(because we had used PP-PI there) and Power's BOM water is an input material and in Water production BOM power is an input material..i.e recursive BOM and system (PP/CO-PC) will take care this iteration or this give and take.
And main product was input for itself in its third stage.. And steam is input for itself and input for power/water and opposite also true..
And we got 5 different steam, like 50 pound, 100, 250 pound ..Still with all these complexities PP/CO-PC is able to give actual cost per unit accurately. So for production/generation standard PP/CO-PC will work fine...we are 100% sure...but for transmission and distribution is there any better way or solution model ??
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Then system (PP/CO-PC) will take care this iteration or this give and take.
And on the actual side of product costing, we have to use the material ledger functionality, wherein we can use multilevel settlement by which we can settle the actual cost variance at each stage of production to the next stage of production.
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But reality is quite different...and currently all the major utility company's production processes are outside SAP system, even when they are using SAP for all other functions/departments...but their main function is to produce water/power is outside the system..and like any other company production/generation processes are the most repeated activities in their company.
And if you see..even two repair works in say SAP PM module processes are different to each other..(still we are using a SAP module-PM for that to have historcial data and to learn from our from experience)
But production of desalination water from desalination plant is same today, tomorrow...day in ,day out...it is same..
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