Production architecture .

Hi
I am about to start a production environment, but I am not sure about the architecture, its my first time to do such work, but I have to do it.
so I will need help
I tried to do some search, but I could not find what I want
first, I want to know what is the difference between failover and RAC
and what about active/active and active/passive
concepts are not clear for me
what would you suggest for a production environment
what a bout 2 apps servers, and 2 database servers, with a storage unit for the data
if I have this architecture with another test environment with different architecture, thats a 1 apps server and 1 database server, would it require any special steps in terms of cloning and applying patches?
Thanks.

first, I want to know what is the difference between failover and RAC
and what about active/active and active/passiveCheck Note: 403347.1 - Maximum Availability Architecture and Oracle E-Business Suite Release 11i
https://metalink.oracle.com/metalink/plsql/ml2_documents.showDocument?p_database_id=NOT&p_id=403347.1
if I have this architecture with another test environment with different architecture, thats a 1
apps server and 1 database server, would it require any special steps in terms of cloning and applying patches?With Rapid Clone you can clone from multi-node to single node, multi-node to multi-node, single node to single node, and single node to multi-node.

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    Sorry if this seems slightly off center, but I blame Adobe, not myself. Trying to determine the true status and positioning of AIR amongst the various Flex forums and projects for an outsider is practically impossible. So, I will be brief. In September Mr. Chambers sent opened the flow by telling us that we could find FP10 integrated with Flex SDK in something you call 1.5 or Cosmo, or both. He was properly circumspect, so I didn't rush into it -- there was not even an ADL binary when I checked. Now it is November, the Trunk is at 4005, and ostensibly, everything we need to start trying to take advantage of FP support of 3D operations is out there. But where? Where do we get a version of AIR 1.5 that can be installed on a target desktop, so that we can try to run the ADT test cycle?
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    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I am sure you are right about an AIR application <br />being able to use Loader and SWFLoader.  I hope I have more or less figured <br />out the right way to do that.  But, I guess my point is that none of the <br />documentation I have been able to find anywhere would answer the question about <br />what to do with the framework and/or rpc files.  What, as far as you <br />understand it, is the correct way to manage the use of the A</FONT><FONT <br />face=Arial size=2>dobe swz files in an AIR application?</FONT></DIV><br /><BLOCKQUOTE <br />style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><br />  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV><br />  <DIV <br />  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <br />  <A [email protected] href="mailto:[email protected]">Josh <br />  McDonald</A> </DIV><br />  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A [email protected] <br />  href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A> <br />  </DIV><br />  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, November 03, 2008 11:01 <br />  PM</DIV><br />  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: How to Test AIR 1.5</DIV><br />  <DIV><BR></DIV>A new message was posted by Josh McDonald in <br />  <BR><BR><B>Developers</B> --<BR>  How to Test AIR 1.5<BR><BR>I'm <br />  sure there's nothing stopping you from loading SWFs and SWZs and SWCs and <br />  loading them in AIR? 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MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">A <br />      new message was posted by Matt Chotin in<BR><BR>Developers --<BR> How <br />      to Test AIR 1.5<BR><BR>The badge install doesn't work with debug, you can <br />      only use adl.exe right now.  But this should show how the whole <br />      system would work and really allow you to evaluate.  You know how the <br />      AIR install works with Air 1.1 (if not, use Flex 3.1 to target 1.1), I <br />      don't think seeing it with AIR 1.5 is critical to evaluate the features of <br />      the runtime at this point.<BR><BR>Air and the Flash Player are runtimes, <br />      and we've made it clear that AIR 1.5 would include FP10 features.  So <br />      when we say Flex will enable FP10, it should be obvious that when AIR 1.5 <br />      comes out Flex will support it in the same way.<BR><BR>I don't really <br />      understand what you're doing with the SWZ and AIR, there's no real need to <br />      use a cached framework when the whole app is going to be <br />      installed.<BR><BR>In any case, Air 1.5 should be out in 2 weeks hopefully <br />      so you'll be set then.<BR><BR>Matt<BR><BR>On 11/3/08 8:07 PM, "Terry <br />      Corbet" &lt;<A href="mailto:[email protected]" <br />      target=_blank>[email protected]</A>&gt; 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