Profit Centre Hierarchy

Hi,
When you do the consolidation by profit center,do you use profit center or profit center group as the cons unit?
Thanks in advance

Hi Herwin,
. Is there any important relationship between 1000cons unit based on profit centre and the matrix organization/pc only?
- In case of non-matrix you have just a number of your ConsUnits. In case of matrix you have a combination of units. I saw a holding with a couple of thousands of Companies and about 10000 profit centers. Imagine how many combination Co+PC may exist in such holding. It almost always makes BCS implementation more time- and resources-consuming.
.which one do u recommend (matrix or management consol only)?
- I almost answered this question yet. Management Consolidation should be much easier than a matrix one. Matrix is needed when there is a necessety to have balanced Fin Statement from both points of view: Co and PC.

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Profit centre hierarchy table!!!

hello SDN,
Could somebody please help me to find this information i need the table name i think where the standard profit centre hierarchy information is stored??
Name of the node of the next level in the structure above the Pofit centre, name of the node of the next level in the structure above the node in first level, name of the node of the next level in the structure above the node in second level.
Its a bit urgent!!
MAny thanks
Pankaj

hello thanx for your reply.
But this is not what i was looking for. Actually i am writing a interface program to download Profit centre master data and this profit centre hierarchy information to CRM program.
That is why i need the table name where i can see all the information related to hierarchy if possible.
Please provide your views / suggestions.
Thanks
pankaj
thanks Raymond i will look into these tables.
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Profit Centre Hierarchy Change and Profit Centre Budget

Hello Friends
For better view of Profit Centre Reports we are planing to change the Profit Centre Hierarchy.
I wanted to know that, are there some Specific Points which we have to take care of, before changing the Hierarchy?
Will some other settings get affected in System after changing the Hierarchy?
Also i want to know the TCode for entering Profit Centre Budget in System.
regards
prashant

Hi,
Profit centre planning (there is no budget for profit centres) is entered via 7KE1 transaction. If you change your hierarchy you should think of the effect on your reporting and allocation processes. That is if you use certain group in your cost allocation cylce and now you change it, it might have an effect on costs distribution.
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Prompts, with Hierarchy node (profit centre) key search issue

Hi,
I have a report which has Profit centre Hierarchy as one of the Prompts. As in the BW it is configured with comtrolling area compounded, it appears as e.g 0006P12345 and at the Webi report level, the user needs to give not only the profit centre value in the search rather along with 0002p12345.
Is there a way that we can do to make the user only to search using the profit centre e.g. P12345.
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please help
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Hello Srilakshmi,
thanks for the reply. I am like doing this for the first time, can you give me step wise, if at all possible for you.
i am now checking how I can modify Prompt properties etc now.
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Intercompany elimination at legal entity and profit centre level

All,
I have a question regarding intercompany elimination. As far as I understand, BPC can only hold one Interco dimension per application. If you want to perform an intercompany elimination for two dimensions which do not roll up into each other, two separate applications are needed. Please see example below to clarify:
Data is reported the following way:
Legal entity Profit Centre Account Interco Value
The problem is that the profit centre hierarchy does not roll up into the legal entity hierarchy mainly because there are profit centres set up as legal entities. Consequently, the legal entity hierarchy and the profit centre hierarchy are two independent hierarchies.
The business requirement is to have an intercompany elimination at profit centre and legal entity level at the same time (hence requiring two Intercos at the same time). This is needed as some of the profit centres are set up as legal entities.
Can someone advise me as to how to resolve this issue? Did anyone come across a similar problem?
Please let me know if you require any further clarifications.
Marc

Hi
Try to use 2 application for the interco elimination
for the 1st appls ur entity will be the entity dimension and use intco as intco dimension
for the 2nd one use the profit center as entity and build a new intco
As per interco logic this is using the Intco property in the Entity dimension and Entity property in intco dimension
it is very impossible to do this in one application
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CSD

Can we attach cost centre to profit centre group?

Hi all
I would like to know whether a cost centre can be attached to profit centre group or is it mandatory to attach it to only profit centre?
Also can i maintain profit centre and profit centre group at same level in profit centre hierarchy?
Regards
Smita

Hello
Cost center will be assigned to Profit center only not to profit center group. the main intention of the maintain the profit center in the cost center master data, what ever the transactions are posted to the particular profit center the same may be posted to Profit center.
Profit center group means, all the similar nature profit center will be clubbed under one profit center group or you can prepare the profit center groups for your reporting purposes also.
Regards
madhav

Profit Centre Allocation

G'day all,
Hope this finds everyone well.
In any case, we have a scenario where 100% of revenues/expenses is initially posted to a profit center 1000 of company code A.
This then needs to be allocated to profit center 1001 of company code B.
Both company code are assigned to the same controlling area and uses the same cost centre and profit centre hierarchy but have different cost centre/profit centre groups.
We will be running on ECC 6.0
Can anyone advise as to how this can be performed?
Should we use distribution/assessment of the classic PCA functionality? OR should we use PCA allocation within New GL?
In either case, we are not sure how this works as we find that it is not possible to allocate revenues/expenses from one company code to another. Are we missing something?
Thank you,
Richard

Hello
I am not sure of transferring values to PC of a different CC, but check in 9KE0, maybe you will have parameters for inter CC transfer.
Actually enter the PC of the other CC and see what happens.
Reg
Suresh

Copy cost center hierarchy to profit center hierarchy: is this possible?

Hi,
I would like to know or I can copy my standard cost center hierarchy to my standard profit center hierarchy. If so, how to proceed?
Thank you in advance,
Eric van Zundert.
Ps. We do not have enterprise organisastional active.

Hi Eric,
No standard tool exists for this operation. However, if you really prefer to do it manually, you can pull a trick. You can export your cost centre hierarchy to TXT file, correct there certain parameters (change BCCSS to BGLPCT, etc.) and then import it as profit centre hierarchy.
Regards,
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Structure view "Profit center hierarchy" for Information system

Hi Experts
The structure view "Profit center hierarchy" is not available in standard system. I have created a new key with assignement of PS Hierarchy type '2'.
But iam getting below message when I use this new structure view:
Alternative hierarchy could not be determined
Message no. OK032
Diagnosis
You attempted to structure your project elements according to an alternative hierarchy (profit center, cost center or summarization hierarchy). The alternative hierarchy could not be read.
System Response
The system uses the "Work breakdown structure" view.
Any suggestion?
warm regards
ramSiva

Ok lets start from basics
go to CN41 and enter a project with std PS info profile 000000000000001
if you click o the DB profile you will have basic setting 000000000000001 etc
this gives us the project structure
Now in transaction OPUR create a view for PC hierarchy
Z00000000001 - whatever description
select PS hier type 2 - Profit Ctr via set
I think you have done this
In this configuration there is a group name - you need to enter the profit centre hierarchy group name from your system
this group must exist in your system check using transaction KCH3 to display group - if this is not entered correctly you will get the exact error you have got - I have been able to replicate in my system
Now run CN41 change DB profile project view from 00000000001 to Z0000000001

How to upload Hierarchy for Profit Centre

Hi Experts,
Can anyone help me with steps to load Hierarchy for Profit Centre and also on how to add new ones???
Thanks,
DV

Hi Voodi,
Thanks for your reply. I have few more doubts
1. Can i load only subsets alone instead of whole Parent Hierarchy?
2. For a new parent Hieararchy created in R3, how do i load it into BW? Can i just choose the new one in the infopackage and load it or shld i do something before that
3. And after Hieararchy load shld i run Change run???
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Relation between Prod. Hierarchy and Profit Centre

Dearest all,
does anybody know what the relation between prod. hierarchies and profit centre?
actually, i am trying to display total of actual line items (table GPCPT, if i am not wrong). The total value grouped by Profit Centre?
But I want to display them per Product hierarchies...
Question:
1. More than 1 product hierarchies could be assigned to 1 profit center, right ? (I checked in the matl master, checking all matl)
2. Could I find other way to do this ? any suggestion ?
thanks in advance,
me

Hi Barry,
I have tried MCSI, it displayed "no data found", what does it mean ?
Thanks in advance,
me

Cost centre and Profit centre in one query - Authorisations not working!

Hiya,
I have another problem related to Analysis Authorisations.
I have created an AA with Cost Centre and Profit centre access restricted to a certain node of a hierarchy (type 1 - this node and below). For example, the User can only run a query at Cost Centres level of Country Belgium - the query works fine. Now, the user wants to drill down by the relevant Profit centres. According to the log, the system checks for Profit centres like * and says the user is not authorised. All this, despite the fact that all Profit centres belong to country Belgium and user has been given access to see these profit centres.
What do I need to do to enable drilldown by Profit centre? I can't make a "*" access to Profit centre as the user will be able to run other queries at global level, which is not what I can allow.
Any suggestions?

Hello,
I don't know if it is relevant, but I had a similar problem when I had two characteristic each with hierarchy restrictions in one authorization object.
I "solved" it by separting each characteristic into its own authorization object.
BR
Ondrej

Costcentre and profit centre customizing

Dear SAP Guru's,
Hi I have a problem for profit centre wise balance sheet. The scenario is follows.
a)     Our client has two business line industry and institution
b)     Under each business line have 4 Region for each business line (industry and institution)
c)     Under each region have14 Branch for each business line (industry and institution)
d)     4 LAB
e)     1 Godown
f)     Under each branch have 55 territories for each business line (industry and institution)
Here in our client maintain plant at region and branch wise but they not maintain plant at territory wise. And they want to analysis profitability as the lowest level of hierarchy such as TERRITORY wise.
In that case we preparing profit centre considering territory or how we define profit centre.
Another thing is that if they want to maintain P&L and B/S at territory level that means I need to capture the cost all so at territory level. So should I prepare cost centre at territory level or how can I make it for full filing our client requirement.
Please provide me some idea regarding it. Full point must be assign if help full.
Thanks in advance

Hello Suvangkar,
Have you taken a look on organizing your enterprise analysis structure through Groups?
For Cost Centres, we have KSH1 / KSH2 / KSH3 transactions.
For Profit Centres, we have KCH1 / KCH2 / KCH3 transactions.
You can create a big hierarchy to group the needed information and use each group to various reports in Controlling (CO-CCA and CO-PCA).
Hope it helps you.
Best Regards,
Daniel

Cost centre hierarchy

What s the purpose of dealing with cost centre hierarchy?(Financial->Cost accounting-> cost centre hierarchy)
Where does this actualy fits into?
Regards,
vasanthi.

Hello vasanthi,
Please look for the information on Cost Center via B1 online help.
1. Financials->Cost Accounting->Define Cost Center Hierarchy, here
you can define a new template as you need, add department as
Slibling and add various expenses/revenues as the Child to relevant
department.
2. Financials->Cost Accounting->Profit Center - Report-> Select the
Dimension used in the template from the drop down list then tick the
radio button before 'Template' and select the template you have defined,
then click 'OK'.
Link between cost center hierarchy and chart of accounts:
First of all, you define the various cost centers or departments in your
company as profit centers.
Then assign revenue and expense accounts to the profit centers so that
any data relevant to a profit center can
be updated automatically for all transactions entered in the system.
(This is where we have a link between chart of accounts and cost center
hierarchy).
Costs are allocated to the profit centers using information that you
define in a distribution rule. This means that any costs incurred willbe
allocated to the profit centers on the basis of a specific key.
If you decide that the way in which costs are allocated no longer
reflects the way in which your company works, you simply change the
distribution rule as required.
Regards,
Wilma Wang
SAP Business One Forums Team

Migration from Business Area to Profit centre

Hi All,
My client currently uses the business area functionality for management reporting (to capture brand specific financial data). Due to the inherent challenges encountered using business area the strategy now is to migrate to profit center accounting. Id need to establish a road map for the migration and was wondering if anyone has any pointers on how to approach this requirement.
Thanks and regards
Frank

Hi,
My ex-company used to use BA for reporting, and subsequently they moved over to PCA.... with minimal impact of course.
A few considerations :
1. Is your PCA active? Rightfully the profit centres are usually set up as statistical cost collector.... but you might need to check if there is any configuration that prevents cost/revenue from posting into PCA
2. Is the hierarchy in PCA properly set up? Functionally speaking, BA is no difference to PCA since they are both measuring the business by funcational area.... You can create standalone hierarchies in PCA to capture the business reporting, such as legal reporting structures, or Line of Business structures.
3. What kind of reporting is used for Business area.... are they present in PCA?
I think you'd have to think through the steps carefully... if point 1 is met, the change in reporting would be simple enough. Otherwise, you would have to consider how to bridge the data gap.
Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Gimmo

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