RAM underclocks when cpu FSB increased??? help?

This is my first time overclocking so sorry if i sound dumb lol.
Anyways, I have an MSI p6n Sli Platinum (retail bios), an E6420, and OCZ reaper 800 RAM.
So my problem is;
Just to start out, I increased the FSB from 1066 to 1070, and when I rebooted, I noticed that my RAM speed went from 800MHz to about 786MHz.
So whenever I increase the CPU's FSB, the RAM speed decreases. 
Could anyone tell me why, and how to fix it so I can finally OC?
I do have the cpu and ram thing set to 'linked'. Could this be why?
Please someone help guide me through this, I really would like some increased performance. thanks.

Quote from: wrangler on 31-July-07, 06:55:09
To Aaron:  This is the overclocking forum right?  I'm not here to "use what I have".  What kind of advice or help is that.  Totally inappropriate for this forum.  No one in here is under any illusions that a 1 Mhz increase in FSB is going to make a difference.  It is an example used to illustrate what is happening with the board.  mmmkay.   Thanks.
But he/she's complaining, it's appropriate IMO. No one likes a whiner.
If you say that you know increasing by 1FSB won't do anything, why did he/she bother doing it? Jump straight to 333FSB, set DRAM ratio to 1:1.2, CPU @ 3GHz and RAM @ 800Mhz, what's the problem with doing that?
I also said this earlier and he/she ignored it completely:
Quote from: AaronYuri on 26-July-07, 16:11:09
It has to be big steps:
333x8=2664MHz CPU clock. 1333FSB QDR
333x1.33=442MHz (884MHz DDR), Reapers will handle this easy, then start tighenting timmings. Or set divider to 1.5:1 to get a DDR speed of 1GHz, I would recomend 5-5-5-15 timings, then tighten them down. Increase voltage only if necessary.
Make sure you have sufficient cooling...
And just to add, hijacking isn't nice either.

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