RAW files: View embedded JPEG next to RAW file

I would like the opportunity to view the JPEG thumbnail that is embedded in my Nikon NEF files, so I can see how the camera's adjustments look, and possibly use that while making my own adjustments. I know the embedded JPEG is tiny, but this might still be a useful feature.

Sorry to bring up an old post, but this is exactly my question.
Can I access a camera embedded JPG as a reference. I know I can't use it for the basis of editing but I would like to see it just the same. I know some other tools can do this, but can LR2 show that JPG.
Ideally it would be an X-Y comparison to my current image.
Thanks,
Rob.

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studiomigo wrote:
So mamy years with LR and still don't get the workflow....-)
Importing RAW+JPEG (together as one) is for people who only use the JPEG *outside* Lightroom. I mean, the jpeg is *inaccessible* in Lightroom - it's kept with the raw as a courtesy (on disk, i.e. when moving/renaming), and that is all.
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Hey Everyone,
So, I'm using Aperture 2 and I've got some questions about exporting from RAW to JPEG. I shoot with a Nikon D70 so original RAW files are 5-6mb in size. After doing some basic post processing when I export the pics at "full size" with picture quality of 11 out of 12 then the resulting JPEG is about half the file size of the original RAW file. For example a 5.6mb RAW becomes a 2.6mb JPEG. The resolution in pixels per inch and and the overall image size remain unchanged. Have I lost picture quality due to the exporting JPEG being smaller in file size?
My friend who works with me prefers to edit in Photoshop and when he follows the same workflow his saved JPEG from the identical RAW file in Photoshop is minimally smaller in file size, say 5.6mb to 5.3mb. He's telling me that my Aperture edited photos are losing quality and resolution.
Is he right, are my pics of lesser quality due to being a smaller file size? I've always been told that the quality of a picture is not in the mbs, but the pixel density.
I've bee told that Aperture has a better compression engine and that the resulting files are of the exact same quality because the PPI and image size are the same. Is that what explains the much smaller file sizes in Aperture?
I tried changing the picture quality in the export menu to 12 out of 12, but the resulting JPEG then becomes larger than the original RAW at over 7mbs.
Can someone please help me understand this better? I don't want to lose picture quality if that is indeed what is happening.
Thanks in advance for your help.

mscriv wrote:
So, I'm using Aperture 2 and I've got some questions about exporting from RAW to JPEG. I shoot with a Nikon D70 so original RAW files are 5-6mb in size. After doing some basic post processing when I export the pics at "full size" with picture quality of 11 out of 12 then the resulting JPEG is about half the file size of the original RAW file. For example a 5.6mb RAW becomes a 2.6mb JPEG. The resolution in pixels per inch and and the overall image size remain unchanged. Have I lost picture quality due to the exporting JPEG being smaller in file size?
JPEG is a "lossy" file compression algorithm. Whether Aperture or PS, *every time a JPEG is saved some loss occurs*, albeit minimal at the 11 or 12 level of save, huge losses at low save levels. Some images (sky, straight diagonal lines, etc.) are more vulnerable to showing visible jpeg artifacts.
My friend who works with me prefers to edit in Photoshop and when he follows the same workflow his saved JPEG from the identical RAW file in Photoshop is minimally smaller in file size, say 5.6mb to 5.3mb. He's telling me that my Aperture edited photos are losing quality and resolution.
*Both of you are losing image data when you save to jpeg.* IMO the differences between the apps is probably just how the apps work rather than actually losing significantly more data. The real image data loss is in using JPEG at all!
Is he right, are my pics of lesser quality due to being a smaller file size?
I doubt it.
I've always been told that the quality of a picture is not in the mbs, but the pixel density.
The issue here is not how many pixels (because you are not varying that) but how much data each pixel contains. In this case once you avoid lossy JPEG the quality mostly has to do with different RAW conversion algorithms. Apple and Adobe both guess what Nikon is up to with the proprietary RAW NEF files and the results are different from ACR to Apple to Nikon. For my D2x pix I like Nikon's conversions the best (but Nikon software is hard to use), Aperture second and Adobe ACR (what Photoshop/Bridge uses) third. I 98% use Aperture.
I tried changing the picture quality in the export menu to 12 out of 12, but the resulting JPEG then becomes larger than the original RAW at over 7mbs. Can someone please help me understand this better? I don't want to lose picture quality if that is indeed what is happening.
JPEG is a useful format but lossy. Only use it as a _last step_ when you must save files size for some reason and are willing to accept the by-definition loss of image data to obtain smaller files (such as for web work or other on-screen viewing). Otherwise (especially for printing) save as TIFF or PSD which are non-lossy file types, but larger.
As to the Aperture vs. ACR argument, RAW-convert the same original both ways, save as TIFF and see if your eyes/brain significantly prefer one over the other. Nikon, Canon etc. keep proprietary original image capture data algorithms secret and each individual camera's RAW conversion is different.
HTH
-Allen

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EXcuse use my ignorance, but can I import the jpeg images using Lightroom's DNG copy option (so that they are more stable); and will I be able to use them, and work on them, just as effectively as with all the successfully downloaded RAW images?
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Sandoise wrote:
looking at images on the camera screen
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Sandoise wrote:
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Sandoise wrote:
Lightroom is the third way I've checked
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Sandoise wrote:
How else can I check the card?
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Treat JPEG files next to RAW files as separate photos? or How do you not download JPG's

Environment:
LR 1.1
PC: Windows XP SP2, Dual Core 6600, 4GB RAM
Camera: Konica-Minolta 7D shooting RAW and JPG (CF card has 3 files for each frame, RAW, JPE, THM)
Although I Imported my RAW files with no problem, I discovered that the Import also copied the CF card's JPGs to the same folder as my RAW files on the hard drive. So I set out to figure out how to import RAW into LR without also downloading JPGs to my hard drive. I have not succeeded at that and have added a, Delete of the JPGs from my HD before synching Metadata step, to my workflow, but I DID find some truly weird behavior.
The File menu dropdown offers two ways to Import from the card.
1) Import Photos from device which goes directly to the Import dialog where I have preview ON.
2) Import photos from disk . . .which goes to a file display of the CF card for file selections before going to the Import dialog. (Required if you want JPG only)
Also, if I click on the Import button to the left of the tool bar I am given a dialog box to choose:
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These correspond to the same options that the File menu offers.
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If you want to Import only RAW files use the Device option.
If you want to Import only JPG where you have RAW on your CF card use the Disk option and only select JPGs(with or without the preference switch set).
If you want to Import both RAW and JPG use the Disk option with the Preference option ON and select both JPG and RAW files.
But, I assumed (my error) that I could, using the Disk option, mix and match JPG and RAW selections.
THEN the strange stuff . . .
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My biggest disappointment is I could not find a way to Import RAW without copying a second file to the same folder on my hard drive which I will need to delete later. Maybe, next release. (Please)
For the development team, I offer my thanks for your significant advancement of digital photography.
For those that get to the bottom of this post, remember Rule 5.
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>Speaking of which, WHY would anyone want to import jpgs alongside raws in Lightroom? I can't see any reason, and they just take up disk space. Am I missing something?
I'm not as gifted at file editing as many of you are, and often the jpgs I get from Canon or Nikon are much nicer than the raws. Sometimes I am sufficiently pleased with the jpgs that I just toss the raws. Sometimes I want to play, and the jpgs give me a target to shoot for and try to surpass.
Only when I really blew the exposure, not too common anymore, do I really need the raws to save what should have been a really great shot.
I understand the arguement for raw files. I just haven't found that they are automatically better than the jpegs without a lot of tinkering.

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Using a 5D Mark III and shoot JPEG (SD) and RAW (CF).
Aperture 3.5.1, using a managed library
Perviously, using a 7D so new to shooting JPEG and RAWs from an aperture Aperture workflow standpoint.
I know that i can import the JPEGs > delete images that do not make the cut > then import the matching RAW files in the import dialogue that correspond to the JPEGs in the Aperture Library.
I use the RAW files as my Camera Master images and once the RAW files are imported, the smaller resolution JPEGs are no longer needed or viewed in my normal edit workflow. I only need the JPEGs to quickly go through the images to find out which RAW files i need to import at a later time to increase the speed of import > edit > deliver.
My Assumptions:
1. Logic would lead me to believe that after import the user should see a stack like image representation with whatever file type is considered Master to be on top and the viewable secondary file type on the bottom. clicking on the image stack should allow you to see both file types as you would normally see with image stacks with the same files types. This is not the case... What am i missing here?
2. Logic again would lead me to believe that when i have the ability to delete one of the 2 image types as i do not need both in the end. After the import process is complete and RAWs are backed up, I want to delete the JPEG files as they are just taking up more space on my DAS drive array... There is no need to keep a duplicate of every file in both JPEG and RAW format. This is not the case as when i delete the JPEG or RAW, both files formats are deleted simultaneously. What am i missing here?
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1. I do not seem to have access to both images (JPEG & RAW) in a stack where i can expand and close the stack to see both? It seems like i only have access to the image type i have selected as Master? This seems counter intuitive to what the workflow should be as why would aperture 'lock the secondary file types away' so you can't easily view both file types as the same time for comparison?
2a. Reality seems to be that i do not have access to the JPEG and RAW image files. I can only see one at a time by selecting the images and choosing 'make JPEG master’ and then respectively... 'make RAW master', but you can't see both at the same time for file comparison.
2b. Also, I can't find a way to delete the JPEG images after the RAW files have been imported. I would presume most professional photographers shoot RAW and do not shoot JPEG as their camera master or editing master images. I do not understand why aperture has captured both as a pair in the library that does not allow me to delete the JPEG (in this case) as i have selected the RAW as my master.
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leonie...
thank you for clearing that up for me.
I think that at this point it is silly to use the JPEG+RAW import functionality as it seems that it takes longer to do the above steps than to just import only the RAW files and press on from there.
I seems what i have done in the past of only importing the RAW files and then using the quick preview functionality to reduce image load times is the best thing in can come up with without keeping 'duplicates' in the database.
That really baffels me that there is no built in functionality to remove the JPEG from a RAW+JPEG pair and i wonder how the real world photographers who help Apple test and implement software to solve real world workflow problems thought the JPEG+RAW import was going to be used.
I do understand that i can use a smaller JPEG file size to reduce the bloat of the database, but used over hundreds of thousands of images is certainly going to make a dent in my total aperture database size and therefore storage needs down the road.
If you have any other workflow thoughts, or know of a 3rd party plugin/ etc... to fix this obvious shortcoming then i am all ears..
thank you again Leonie and have a great week

Getting RAW look like the embedded JPEG

This has been asked before, but I can't find the answer, so I will ask
again.
How do I get Lightroom to make the RAW file START it's adjustments with
the full in-camera adjustment settings, so the RAW initially looks
somewhat like it would if I had just shot JPEG?
When processing Canon RAW images (we use a mix of 10D, 20D and 5D
bodies), the initial 'unadjusted' image sometimes (often) looks VERY
different from the camera adjusted JPEG of the same photo. The reason
for the difference is that the JPEG has the camera adjustments applied,
but the RAW doesn't. You don't need to shoot RAW+JPEG to see the effect,
because the embedded preview in the RAW file is an adjusted JPEG, and
many programs use that to display previews.
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camera did a pretty darn good job processing the photo, but the RAW
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>Obviously cameras can vary in the particular model range, so doing the For (or similar) calibration will be specific to your camera.
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Hi everybody,
Here's my thing : after rating my jpeg's, I only want to keep the corresponding RAW files (I'm always shooting in jpeg & RAW at the same time). How can I delete the remaining RAW files without having to select everything manually ? I'm shooting a lot of images, so that's taking a lot of time !
I can't figure it out, has anyone got an idea ???
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Hi Omke,
Thanks a lot ! Your way works much faster than mine ! My method :
first I deleted all non-rated jpeg's. Then I went to finder, and there
I selected all the corresponding RAW files and dragged them to an emty
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Pffffff......
Especially the manual selecting in Bridge is much more pleasant than
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Thanks for giving it a thought !
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Op 28 feb 2010, om 16:34 heeft Omke Oudeman het volgende geschreven:
That is a difficult one and I can't think of an easy method other then
changing your workflow, but that is not really the solution for you.
>
Personal I only shoot Raw and convert those to DNG. If Raw is the
target to
use then you should start to select the Raw files instead of jpeg
but again
every one is using his own workflow and you may have a perfect good
reason
to do so
>
The only thing I can think of to select them a bit more easy, (but
it will
still be manual and also assuming you have used the same filename
and only
different extension) is to filter the rating you have done for the
files. So
if you have used 1 star just select 1 star in the filter panel. Now
all 1
star rated files show in the content panel.
>
Select them all and now again go to the filter panel and deselect
the 1 star
rating. When still in filename sort order you see the jpegs (and
next to
them all your Raw files because they have the same name) you have
rated
spread over the content panel but still selected and easy to see
with the
yellow border around it . With the command button pressed you can
easily
find the Raw files next to the selected 1 star rated files and click
on them
one by one to add those file to your selected series. When having run
through this whole content file adding the wanted Raw files to your
selection click on the rating star bar at the bottom of one file and
now
they all get the same rating.
>
Now you can either select the rating again in the filter panel and
move the
rated jpeg and Raw to another folder or select unrated and move or
delete
the not wanted files.
>
It's not a perfect solution but I don't see an other way
>
>
>> I can't figure it out, has anyone got an idea ???
>
>

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I have my camera (Canon 5D MARK 2) set to take both JPEG Large and Raw files with each shot. I uploaded the images from the card to my Pro (Aperture 3) and while the import info said 1500 images were uploaded, I can't find the RAW images. Aperture put ab

I have my camera (Canon 5D Mark 2) set to take both JPEG Large and Raw files with each shot. I uploaded the images from the card to my Pro (Aperture 3) and while the import info said 1500 images were uploaded, I can't find the RAW images. Aperture put about 700 images in an untitled project folder, but all the images are the JPEGs. What am I missing?
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Have you checked your "Import" settings for "Raw&Jpeg" pairs in the "Import" panel?
You can set Aperture to import raw, jpeg, or raw&jpeg.
If you imported Raw&Jpeg, but have set Aperture to use the Jpeg as original, you will see the imported image as Jpeg image, not as a raw image, even if the raw has also been imported. You can switch between Raw and Jpeg originals for selected images from the Photos menu:
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Regards
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