RAW + JPEG Question

While playing with the import features I imported both RAW and JPEG for a project. I normally shoot only RAW but shot RAW+JPEG for this test. Is there a way to remove just the JPEG references from the Aperture Library? Or does the Aperture library only look at one image. So it’s either RAW or JPEG that the library is referencing?

If I understand your post correctly, there is an easier way.
When you import raw+jpeg into Ap, Ap Lib will contain both files but you only see the raw version by default. There is a simple option to to show both files in your Ap Lib. Sorry but I cannot recall where the option is (I don't do this so I've forgotten, but little search here should give you an answer quickly).
That said, the easiest is to view jpeg directly from your card or dump the card content into a temp folder before you import into Ap. I do this with raw file because I do not keep all the image on the card. In my case, I use ViewNX (Nikon) to quickly go through the images and delete unwanted images, then import the rest into Ap Lib (I use referenced master files so I also move the file into my permanent storage location before bringing into Ap environment).

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RAW vs JPEG questions

2 Questions: Is there an advantage to importing raw vs jpeg into aperture?
If importing both, which to save as master? Why?
Thank you,
katy

It will depend at lot on the camera (possibly lens) and how much you like the JPEG rendering it delivers.
There are lots of thing to consider and the link Allan provided is a good background for understanding the different implications. But the landscape is changing and there are some areas that are perhaps a good subject for further discussion.
In general terms, there are three areas where raw may be the only way to salvage an image that was captured poorly:
Bad Exposure
Poor Choice of white balance
Excessive Noise Reduction
If your image suffers from any (or all) of these, then the JPEG is probably ruined and can't be recovered (although it may be made usable at lower resolutions). So if you or your camera are prone to producing images like these, raw is a safety net that can save your images.
Excessive noise reduction (which destroys detail) was the main reason I started using raw, as some premium compacts always threw away too much detail, even at their lowest noise reduction settings. Exposure and White balance were under my control, but not the noise reduction.
But in recent years, the JPEG processing of many cameras have improved enormously and it is creating a bit of a dilemma.
Sensor efficiency has led to lower noise, and camera JPEG engines (CJEs) have become more sophistocated, delivering excellent results straight out of camera.
With lower noise has come improved dynamic range, and CJEs have introduced dynamic range optimisation to allow more of the shadow and highlight data into the final image using custom tone curves for different scenes.
Colour procsessing is continually being tweaked with many cameras (Fuji and Olympus in particular have a very strong signature look that many people enjoy want to preserve).
For some users with good computer knowledge and image processing skills, there is still a motivation to use raw as they are able to use the tools to get the very best out of their images and produce superior renderings. Although even among these, I know of quite a few who admitted they were struggling to produce renderings from Fuji X100 raws that were as good as those from Fuji's CJE.
But for many people, being sat in front of the computer tweaking their images, and being expected to learn the tools and techniques to do so, is just not their idea of what photography is about. So these improved CJEs are offering them real benefits to get on with shooting, and use the computer primarily for organisation and publishing, with perhaps some of the more simple editing; crop, straighten, etc.
But in the last year or two, in some areas the CJEs havent just been catching up, they're actually moving ahead, at least over third party converters like Aperture, Lightroom, C1 etc (the manufactures own raw processing software should always be able to match and beat the CJE).
Most of these areas can be grouped under the heading "Lens based Optimisations". From automated removal of distortion, CA, vignetting and moire, to the new sophistocated sharpening algorithms that are based on the manufacturers actual lens performance data to apply exactly the right kind and amount of sharpening to each part of the image based on the lens used and the aperture setting.
Even if the converters provide all the tools to compete with this level of sophistocation, unless it can be fully automated, it still could become a case of more effort for less accurate results.
For my own workflow, I have recent found combinations of camera settings that deliver very pleasing out of camera JPEGs and so have begun shooting Raw + JPEG, importing both to Aperture with JPEG set as the master. This means many of my images are now near 'publish-ready' immediately on import, but for any images where I messed something up, or just don't like the JPEG results, I've still got the raw to fall back on.
Andy

RAW+JPEG Import Question

I switched from Windows/LR to Mac/Aperture last year and have a question about importing RAW and JPEG files.
My camera (Olympus EM5) finally has RAW support and I have been shooting RAW+JPEG. I got a preset that I like to apply to the RAW files during the import. But I don't want the preset applied to the JPEG files. What I have been doing is importing the RAW and JPEG separately.
Is there a way to import them all together and have the preset only applied to the RAW files on import? Thanks.

What import settings have you tried? What configuration do you want the library to have (Both RAW + JPGs as separate masters or only one of them as master?).
If you want the RAW as master try importing as Both (RAW as master) to see if the preset is only applied to the RAW.
If you want both as masters, that is you're importing Both (Separate masters) then I don;t believe it will be possible to restrict the preset to just the RAWs on import. But instead of importing the images in two separate batches it might be easier to import both and to apply the preset after import using Metadata->Batch Change. It would be easy to filter just the RAW images to apply the preset to.

IPhoto Raw & Jpeg upload question

So I have begun photography recently, and am relatively interested in photography. I use a RAW + jpeg method so I can keep both raws to process and photoshop, but also the jpeg counterpart for easier sorting. Is there a way that I can configure iPhoto to split the import by file type? As I have to do this manually (with dual copies of each, in different file formats and composed differently, of course)

I use a RAW + jpeg method so I can keep both raws to process and photoshop, but also the jpeg counterpart for easier sorting.
No
But it is unnecessary
Set PS as your external editor for iPhoto and import into iPhoto - it creates a JPEG for display
iPhoto can find your photos in a snap if you keyword them and add faces and places
Or better yet move up to Aperture for better RAW processing
LN

"Error while relocating" after deleting RAW from RAW+JPEG pairs (Important FYI)

This is not a question, but something I recently discovered that I think will be important for the Aperture community.
Not too long ago, I asked a question about how to remove the RAW files from RAW+JPEG pairs. The concensus was that it couldn't be done through Aperture, but that one could delete them through the Finder. The answer I got (and that has popped up in other threads on similar topics) was "it's probably not wise, but as far as I know, it won't have an adverse effect." I don't think any response along these lines has been able to point to a specific problem that can arise from such a "hack." Well, I found one today...
It appears that if a user uses Finder to "break" RAW+JPEG pairs by deleting the RAW file and leaving the JPEG (and I assume this goes for deleting the reverse), Aperture will NOT be able to "Relocate Originals..." Instead, "Aperture will return the error: Error while relocating (File not Found): "(null)". I ran into this error the other day while trying to change my file structure by relocating all files. I regularly ran into this error, and it was only after some extensive that I was able to narrow it down 100% of the time to the RAW+JPEG pairs I had "broken." I haven't encounterd any other adverse behavior from "breaking" these file pairings, but this one, at least, could be serious.
So, for future reference, I think the response by the Aperture community when someone asks "How do I delete the RAW file from RAW+JPEG" pairs, should be "Use Finder if you must, but please note Aperture will not be able to 'Relocate Originals..
PS This should NOT be understood as a criticism of those who have responded to this question in the past. There's obviously no way to know about these little quirks until one of us stumbles across them. I hope this information will be helpful going forward, both as a caution when deleting one of the pair, and as a possible answer for the "Error while relocating" message.
PPS I don't think I ran across an explanation for this when I originally searched for the error message bolded above.
If someone has already provided this information, my apologies.

Frank Caggiano wrote:
Interesting the last post before this one you posted was back in May 2011 Removing RAW, keeping JPG?
Thanks for that thread. That helps jog ye olde memory. As such, I would edit my original thread to read "The concensus I gathered from researching multiple responses to questions similar to mine was that it couldn't be done through Aperture*, but that it was possible from Finder though highly inadvisable." I won't bother recreating my research at the time (not even sure I could, since it was more than two years ago), but suffice it to say that the thread you've linked was not my sole encounter with this problem. I do appreciate that you've reminded me that this was not something I had done solely through numerous posts on Apple Discussions. I imagine I likely spent time reading multiple posts here and elsewhere, uncovering the concensus (which i think is still a fair term) that it could not be done through Aperture*, could be through Finder, but was inadvisable.
*This is still accurate, afaik. You cannot delete the pair from a RAW+JPEG pair in Aperture. Exporting, then deleting in Finder, then reimporting is still not something "done in [entirely] Aperture."
Frank Caggiano wrote:
No one actually told you to delete anyting in in the Finder you came up with this yourself as your own solution
This comes from the critical mistake on my part of not making clear that I was paraphrasing multiple responses rather than saying "Bob told on a Monday that i should..." That is one huge mea culpa and I'd edit it if I could. To be clear, my comment that "it's probably not wise, but as far as I know, it won't have an adverse effect" is a paraphrase of multiple answers to the broad question dealing with how Aperture handles files that have been deleted in Finder. At the time, it was known that you could delete a file in Finder, that Aperture could be made to accept that, that it might cause issues further down the road, but that those issues were unkown. I paraphrased that but failed to make it clear that's what I was doing. Again, my apologies.
Frank Caggiano wrote:
So I'm not really sure what it is you are coming back here now to say? There was no 'consensus' to do this, it was your own 'solution'
In this respect, I think you've misunderstood me. At the time I made this post, I still was not seeing a direct connection between deleting files in Finder and adverse consequences in Aperture (or perhaps I should say my searches did not turn up such a connection). As such, I made this post to provide the community with clear evidence of why one should not delete one-of-a-pair files in Finder. Again, I may have simply missed the thread that detailed that to do so would result in a null error when relocating Masters. That said, in July 2013 I had been pulling my hair out trying to figure out why I was getting the null error and I did not see a thread that asked "have you deleted files in Finder" as a way to troubleshoot.
Hopefully, I've cleared up any confusion now. To bring this all back around to my original point for the thread, I intended it to (1) offer a more direct way to troubleshoot the null error on relocating Masters, and (2) to offer a cautionary tale for those who choose to delete one of the RAW+JPEG pair in Finder. There are better (though more time- and space-consuming) ways to get it done, and my original post should help demonstrate why.

Import of RAW+JPEG pairs?

Just when I thought I had it all together...I seem to have forgotten where I put it. I need some expert assistance.
Aperture manages my Library which is kept on an external HD.
I shoot RAW+JPEG on my D200--two image files for every shot. To anticipate the question--I'm learning about the D200, and I want to be able to see the IQ differences between an Aperture-adjusted RAW image and a D200-adjusted jpeg.
I understood that when I imported my image files into Aperture, both files of the pair were imported and saved in my Library. I know I was working with the RAW file for all my adjustments and exports, but I believed that if I wanted that camera-adjusted jpeg, it was available from my Library. I'd also understood that I could call up that camera-adjusted jpeg using Option+J while selecting the paired RAW image in the Viewer. I know I can get a jpeg counterpart to the highlighted RAW image using Option+J--but whether it is generated by Aperture or camera is now uncertain.
Can someone who knows answer the following:
(1) Are both images in the shot pair (.nef and .jpg) imported into Aperture?
(2) If the Option+J image is not the downloaded, camera-produced image--then where does the resulting jpeg file which appears come from, and where are the adjustments for it set?
(3) If my original understanding is correct and both images in the pair were loaded into my Library--why can't I find the paired jpeg? It's not listed with the RAW files in my Finder, and my Spotlight doesn't find it either.
(4) Is there a way to get that paired jpeg into my Library along with its RAW counterpart.
One note on backup workflow: If those paired jpegs aren't imported into the Library, I'm fortunate to have followed advice from some of you here in the forum. Thanks to you, I always download my files using a reader and save them to a folder on my desktop. After importing them into Aperture from that folder, I move them to a folder I use to accumulate a batch for burning to a DVD for archiving. Only when burnt, do I erase them from the desktop and reformat my card. If, in fact, I've been wrong about those paired jpegs being in my Library, then I've still got them on my DVDs. Instead of being redundant with my Vaults, the DVDs will be my only source for them. Thanks to those of you who got me to buy into that workflow.
Terry

Thanks. A little Tough Love from the experts sent me back to try one more time to puzzle through the pages of posts on this subject. Sorry, but there's too much noise and contradiction in those pages of posts for me to buy in.
I did what each of us probably should do--an experiment. I noted the "New Version from Master JPEG" aka Option+J was grayed out if only one of the pair (either .nef or .jpg) was imported. Only having the pair imported activated thet Option+J pick. Excellent, and just what I hoped to see.
I also drilled down to the lowest level of the imported image folders in the Library. I'd previously stopped when I saw the image name but for some reason neglected to open the lowest folder to check for file extensions. Careless on my part. I confirmed what everyone here is regularly assured--that all the imported image files are available in the Library (and Vaults) should Aperture fail, or someone decide to leave Aperture for the dark side. Again, just what I hoped to see.

Need more information regarding RAW JPEG pairs

I understand the importing of RAW+JPEG pair options. What I am having difficulty finding in any forum or user manual is the workflow using such pairs after the import.
If I import a R+J pair with RAW as original, there is an "R" icon in the viewer on that photo. Is the image displayed (version 1) Aperture's rendering of the RAW file? Or is it the JPEG that goes along with it? If I wanted to compare the JPEG to the RAW, how would I do that? If I created a new version from the original and then compared version 1 and version 2, what would I be looking at?

My first question is why are you using a Raw&JPG pair workflow? In my experience it is very rarely needed and adds a lot of complexity to the setup.
Now to answer your questions:
The image displayed in the viewer is always a full resolution interpretation of the current master. If the raw file is the master then the image is based on it. If the JPG is master then the image in the viewer is based on it.
There is no direct way to compare one master to the other master. Only one master can be viewed at a time. However versions made off of one of the masters will always be made off that master.
So if the Raw is the current master and you create a version from it that version is based on the Raw master. Now if you select the JPG to be current master a version is made off of it and the other version you created is still based on the Raw master.
You can prove this to yourself by looking at the filename of each. When you select the version made from the Raw the filename extension will show the Raw extension for your camera. When you select the JPG the filename extension will end in jpg.
So now on to how to compare the images side by side:
For whichever type is the current master select it and do a Photos->New Version from Master. Remember a version made from a master, before any adjustments are made to the version, will be identical to the master.
Now switch masters. A version is created from this master and again as no adjustments were applied to it will look exactly like the master.
These two images are then the Raw and the JPG side-by-side.

How to have iPad (iOS 5) import only the JPEG from a RAW JPEG pair?

I have an iPad 2 16 GB, running iOS 5. I also have a Canon EOS 7D. I purchased a CF Card Reader for the iPad (see http://store.micgadget.com/card-readers/280-ipad-2-cf-card-camera-connection-kit .html) so that I can view and edit photos quickly in the field, without having to lug my laptop around. To make this easier, I set my camera to shoot RAW+JPEG. I shoot with the smallest JPEG files possible, still a relatively large for the iPad 2,592x1,728, with the idea that I'd only import the JPEG files to the iPad, but still have the RAW files to work with when I get back to my computer. This works great with one exception: the iPad doesn't allow me to import only the JPEG files, but grabs the RAW files along with them. As you can imagine, this fills up my iPad rather quickly, and takes quite a bit longer to import than if it only grabbed the JPEGs.
So here is my question: How do I have my iPad import only the JPEGs from the RAW+JPEG pairs on the memory card?
One workaround that helps slightly. If I connect my iPad to my computer after the import, I can go in via Image Capture, select all the RAW images and delete them, leaving the JPEGs behind. This is an underwhelming solution, but does save space after the fact.

What you are seeing is how Safari works now in iOS 5. There is no way to get that icon in Safari now. There other much better browsers available in the App Store. Look at iCab Mobile, Mercury, Atomic, ....
I have been running iOS 5x for so long now, that I don't even remember if that icon did appear in earlier iOS versions

Can I delete just the RAW of a RAW+JPEG image from iPad

I just started using Photosmith 2 to integrate with Lightroom, and I think it will fit nicely in my workflow. I am importing images on the iPad with the Camera Connection Kit, sorting in Photosmith 2, and syncing with LIghtroom. The final step is to delete the imported RAW images from the iPad. However, there are some photos that I would like to keep on the iPad once they are sorted. Keeping the RAW image will take up too much room. If I shoot as RAW+JPEG is there a way (without using iPhoto) to delete just the RAW version? I read online that Image Capture should show both versions of the image, but it is only showing the JPEG. I am using Lion v 10.7.4.
Thanks for any ideas.

Bette Gardner wrote:
I want to delete some older TM backups from my external drive to make room. It's filled up because I used TM with one computer, then added a laptop and TM started backing that up on the same external drive, then just got a new computer and TM started backing it up.
So I have an external drive with older files associated with old machines. I want to save just one decent backup of the old computer on that external drive while continuing to backup my new computer on the same external drive.
My question: because of the way that TM backs up incrementally, if I discard all except the "Latest" will I have a single complete backup of the old computer? or how do I achieve this?
Hi, and welcome to the forums.
No. That's an Alias to your latest backup. You'll want to keep the actual latest backup. But *DO NOT* delete (or change or move) anything of TM's via the Finder. You can hopelessly choke your Mac and corrupt your remaining backups.
Use the procedure in item #12 of the Frequently Asked Questions *User Tip* at the top of this forum. It's rather tedious and time-consuming, as you must delete them one at a time, but anything else is a recipe for disaster.

I have a Nikon 300S. It is set to NEF(RAW) + JPEG fine. When I import to Lightroom I get message "There was an error working with the photo? Does anyone know why or how to correct?

Nikon 300S. It is set to NEF(RAW) + JPEG fine. When I import to Lightroom I get message "There was an error working with the photo? Does anyone know why or how to correct?

I don't know the answer, personally, because I don't use Lightroom. This is the Camera Raw forum.
Someone here might answer your question, as there are a lot of clever people here, but, if not, you might try here:
Photoshop Lightroom

Working with RAW+JPEG

I have a Lumix GX-7, and I always shoot with RAW+JPEG. Previously when I was importing photos with Aperture, I have the option of choosing only to import RAW. Having JPEG during the shoot allow me to quickly share (via camera wifi) my photos to my iPhone Photo library using the Panasonic Image App on my iPhone.
If use the Import interface to look at my SD card, I see only 1 copy, and there's an icon with two boxes, the one in front has a "J". Just from guessing that this is probably both the RAW and the JPEG stacked together. When I import those photos, the "J" box icon shows up in my Photos app.
Question:
Do you know how to access my RAW file? I can only seem to access the JPEG file.
Can anyone confirm that Photos is indeed importing both versions of RAW and JPEG?
Note: I do not choose to keep a copy locally on my Mac. My Macbook Air is always running out of space.
Hope someone can help. Thank you.

Question:
Do you know how to access my RAW file? I can only seem to access the JPEG file.
Can anyone confirm that Photos is indeed importing both versions of RAW and JPEG?
Yes, Photos is importing the pair.
You can toggle between the RAW and the JPEG, when you go to the "Edit" view of a photo. Then the "Use RAW as Original" will become active.
Also see the Photos Help:
Reprocess imported RAW files
If you import RAW files that were already processed by another app, such as Aperture, the RAW processing of the photos might be out of date. If you’re happy with how a RAW photo looks, you can leave it as is, or you can choose to reprocess the RAW file with the most recent version of Apple’s RAW processing software. Note that your photos may look different after reprocessing, and you cannot undo this change.
Double-click a photo to open it, click Edit in the toolbar, then choose Image > Reprocess RAW.

RAW + JPEG capture - how to delete the JPEGs?

I have accidentally captured a large number of images as both RAW + JPEG.
Now I want to get rid of the JPEGs, but since LR displays both files as a single entity, I'm scratching my head how to go about it. I tried removing some JPEGs outside of LR then synchronized the folder, but LR now complains about missing "Sidecar" files. I can click the ? icon to fix this one-by-one, but is there a "proper way" to do it for all images in one fell swoop?
Any hints welcome!

Thanks everyone,
I used to think this preference setting would only apply to future imports, but it's good to know that it works on synchronizing folders, too.
Unfortunately I'm still left with question marks on all affected images (missing sidecar file), that apparently have to be dismissed one by one.
I noticed one difference though…
If I enable "Treat JPEG files next to raw files as separate Photos" and simply synchronize the folder to show the JPEGs, the question marks just disapear on click. However LR still references the JPEG and on synchronizing again will label all images again with question marks.
On the other hand if I delete the JPEGs manually in the Finder before synchronizing, clicking the question marks brings up a dialog box asking whether I want to continue tracking the sidecar file or forget it – that seems to get rid of the references for good.
I was hoping to avoid going through the images one by one, but there doesn't seem to be any other way.

Shooting raw+jpeg and replicating treatment

If you shoot raw+jpeg and happen to like the jpeg treatment of a given shot, is there a way to precisely replicate or transfer the jpeg pp parameters to the raw? Not by eye, but precisely.

Jao vdL wrote:
The only way to get perfectly the same rendering is to use Canon's software.
While technically true, in practice, not so much...
The first and most important thing one must grasp (and accept) is there is no such thing as "correct" when it comes to rendering raw files...the raw sensor data is something that is subject to interpretation...it;s like shooting a color neg–the best interpretation may not be the most "accurate" nor "technically correct".
If you fall in love with the JPEG rendering, you will find life somewhat frustrating if you use Camera Raw or Lightroom because as pointed out above, if you are trying to "match"" (as in accurately replicating the exact tone and color) the rendering produced by Canon or Nikon, you're life will, essentially suck...because matching the EXACT rendering in ACR/LR is not going to be a pleasurable experience–it's doable but the question you gotta ask, is it worth it?
Shooting Raw & JPEG is an exercise in futility...you either get quick and easy JPEGs you can use (with zero chance matching them in ACR) or raw fles that you can control the rendering on (but pretty much forget matching the JPEG exactly)...
You would be better off shooting raw and learning how to render out JPEGs quickly that WILL match the raw files (cause they are based from the raw files).

Shooting Raw + Jpeg

I frequently shoot raw + jpeg so have a lot of files with the same name but different extensions. When I try to import the raw files and jpegs both into Lightroom (I'm using version 1.0) I only get the raw files. If I try to import the jpegs separately it tells me that they are already in the library. Is there a way to import both?

Okay, that will work Sean. I have another question for you. My practise has been to keep my raw files and the final converted JPG. I use the JPG for most applications, and only go back to the raw file if I need to reconvert for some reason, perhaps to make a TIFF for a really big print.
So, I have about 45,000 photos that I have both NEF and JPG versions. I want to keep both in my LR library, plus any other "versions", such as a reduced JPG for the web, all in my LR library.
Also, as I go through the library and want to cull images, I want to delete all the "versions", the NEF, JPGS at once.
How would you suggest I go about this in LR?
Thanks in advance (and thanks for all your great work and nifty blog site :-)

RAW+JPEG with unsupported RAW

I'm now using a Panasonic Lumix DMC-L1 (and really liking it), whose RAW files aren't yet supported by Aperture. I figured out that Aperture silently imports the JPEGs with the RAWs (camera shoots RAW+JPEG), and also how to make a version from the JPEG master.
Is there any way to re-associate a JPEG master with a RAW master inside a project? I accidentally deleted a JPEG master. I could pull it out of the trash and reimport it, but then it was not considered associated with the RAW master. I ended up deleting both masters and reimporting to reconnect the masters.
The other question is there any way to edit externally the RAW file? Aperture's external editing feature seems to only export as TIFF or PSD, but my camera came with Silkypix which is a very capable (but odd) RAW editor. If I import the RAWs into Aperture I don't see any way to use Silkypix as an editor. Any ideas, or does it just make more sense not to put the RAWs into Aperture as long as I have to use Silkypix? RAW shooting is a new thing for me.
PowerBook 15" 1.5GHz Mac OS X (10.4.8)

That seems a lot of effort, so can you not edit the
RAW's before importing to Aperture and then use
Aperture for image management, fine tuning, selects
etc.?
Exactly the course I've decided to take until Aperture supports my camera's RAW. After some photo comparisons I've decided to shoot RAW and ignore the camera's JPEG, develop to 16-bit TIFF with Silkypix and then import the TIFFs into Aperture. It takes a bit of processing time up front, but the quality is worth it.
I've put together a side-by-side comparison of the camera's JPEG and the JPEG I export from Aperture after going through the RAW-to-TIFF conversion. The quality difference is quite noticeable.
See the comparison picture at http://www.puppethead.com/misc/lumix_l1-compare.jpg
PowerBook 15" 1.5GHz Mac OS X (10.4.8)

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