Rest entry in score editor

Hi, how do you enter a 1/8th note rest at measure 1 on beat1? Should seem simple but can not accomplish this. I am probably missing something simple. Thanks for any help.

Hi
To add to this, generally Logic will automatically add rests for you. There are circumstances when one may need to make use of "User Rests" to change this automatic procedure, but most of the time the Automatic way will do.
CCT

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How do I get rid of a rest in my score?

Hi,
A couple of posts ago I asked how to make a grace note. Since getting response I successfully made a grace note attached to an eighth note. Unfortunately there is an eighth rest sitting in the background that I have no idea how to get rid of.
(I tried eraser and layout tools - no avail!)
Any suggestions? Thanks in advance!

m270,
I was lurking and saw your post. I have just one bit of general advice to offer...
When working in the score editor, sometimes the length of notes aren't interpreted exactly the way you'd like. For example, say you want a note to be displayed as a dotted 8th with an 8th rest, but it appears as a quarter. Shortening the length of the note might result in a display of an 8th, and no amount of tweaking of the note length will provide you with that dotted 8th + 8th rest. This is because Interpretation is at work, and it causes displayed note lengths to "snap" to pre-defined values (according to your display quantize and the rules of the auto-interpretation scheme). Logic's Interpretation feature works most of the time to give you the display you want. But sometimes it can cause you to pull your hair out when trying to accomplish the scenario I described above. So I've found it much easier to work in the score editor with the Interpretation checkbox unticked (switched off). Here's the deal:
Always uncheck the interpretation check box. This may cause your part to look pretty bad at first, but worry not --- just CMD-A (select ALL) and use "force interpretation" to re-instate the interpration; your notes will be displayed as they were before! But now you have the freedom to selectively disable interpretation on any given note as required. So when you come across a note for which the length isn't (or can't be) displayed correctly (as described above), simply apply "defeat intepretation" to that note and voila -- the note's display can now be tweaked to the way you want it to appear by changing its length in the inspector.
To this end I have key commands programmed for "force interpretation" and "defeat interpration".
Good luck!

The score editor

I'm new to Logic, and I'm wondering: does the score editor really suck, or is it just me? I can read notation very good, and have also been using Sibelius for several years, but the score editor in Logic is impossible to use! I choose a value, as an example a eight note(don't know if this is the english term, but I mean 1/8), and then when I press the place it's going to be placed, it's suddenly a quarter note! Then when I add next tone, they play in harmony, instead of being after each other! I've read the manual, but doesn't seem to explain it very well there either.

Hi
Logic's notation engine is dependent on some settings in the score Region parameters box.
The Display parameters 'Quantize' function sets the smallest note (and rest) that will be displayed. For example, if set to 1/8 notes, you will never see 1/32 notes displayed.
(See page 730 for more info).
The 'Interpretation' function is used generally to 'tidy up' actual MIDI recordings, which will unlikely have exactly the correct note length. Interpret attempts to clean these up. When entering notes manually in the score editor, Interpretation should not be needed, as the events are exactly the right length. (see page 732 for more info).
HTH
CCT

Note length in Score Editor

This seems like a simple task with a simple solution, but I cannot figure it out. I am adding notes using the score editor rather than the piano roll and I want to change the rhythm of a certain measure. For example lets say I have 4 quarter notes in a measure and later on I change my mind and say I want 3 quarter notes and two 8th notes. Or maybe I want to change the length of a quarter note to a dotted quarter note and then add an 8th note. Is there an easy way to do this without deleting the entire contents of that measure. I have tried increasing and decreasing the length/info in the event list, but maybe I am doing it wrong cause nothing changes? I am new to logic, especially the score editor so any help would be appreciated.
Thanks

Hi
There are a few peculiarities when working in the Score Editor.
First, you should familiarise yourself with the "Interpretation" function. This tries to present 'clean' notation by interpreting the MIDI note events position and length. It will 'round up' the note/rest sizes displayed, without affecting any of the MIDI data. With Interpretation ON, changing the length of the note events in the Event List etc. may well not alter the notation.
Second, you need to consider the Score Quantise function, which again does not alter the MIDI note events. In the Score, quantise merely sets the size of the smallest note or rest that will be displayed.
You can adjust the absolute note length by various means, including:
Event List
Event Float
Score:View;Duration Bars
Event parameters in the Score Inspector
Switch to the Piano Roll
etc
CCT

Arranging Big Band Charts with Score Editor

Ahhh, the score editor is so untuitive. The way it's programmed, so that you have to space the note just right to get the desired result. And sometimes ya gotta switch the notes and try again and then retry... Ayayayaya. Well, anyways, my question is: Is there a way I can prefrerize the score editor so that the notes/rests I select are put in, and that I can make my own ties (the ties are reallly frusturating). I'm arranging a chart for my big band, so.... go Logic!
Cheers!
-Tad-

Have partially answered my own question- have worked out how to change note sizes to the smaller cue-type display, not quite sure how to designate them non-playing though still appearing in the score though.

Score editor tutorial?

I have been doing MIDI occasionally since the late 90's, originally with Music Shop. Then I stepped up to a pre Apple version of Logic. I want to do stepped recording with the score editor. My reason is to enter notation from published sheet music so I can play it back and learn to read music in that manner.
My difficulty is when logic adds a rest to the score, I don't know how to remove it, or change the
value. I also plan on recording from MIDI hardware; guitar MIDI pickup MIDI keyboard, and drum machines.
Does anyone know of a good tutorial on this type of use?
Logic v8

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the manuals talk about short cut keys but does not specify what the short cuts are, for instance, pg 680, 'Selecting Part Box Objects With Key Commands' The following unassigned key commands....etc part box: 1/1 Note, I don't understand this, what is the key command ?{quote}
greetings and welcome to the Score Editor .. a feature of Logic which like the fax machine, is headed for cobwebs and neglect, judging by the stunning silence of comments on the Logic 9 version.
But if you have the patience to explore the Score Editor, read on for you will find that never has a feature of Logic been shunned by so many and loved by so few.
To answer your question: there is very little direct explanation in the manual of many of the Logic short cut keys. The ones you refer to are 'unassigned' because they are not part of the more obvious standard set of Logic Short cut assignments. So you are free to assign your own Commands to those short cut keys that you might find useful. Selecting Part Box objects by Key Command means using a few key strokes (programmed) to insert an object ie a note which has a value of 1/4 would be a quarter note or 1/8 an eighth note and you could programme a key command to select this this and insert it with a mouse click (tool), if your preferred method of composing is to 'write' the notes in like Sibelius.
As a long time Score Editor user, and also a keyboard player, I prefer a completely different method which is a mixture of playing in real time via a midi key board and quantizing the result, and also step time inserting notes - ie putting the Logic into step time record mode and then pressing the relevant key on the midi keyboard. Then using key commands to pre-select the lenght of the inserted note, or key commands to change the length of an inserted note...
If any of this makes sense and interests you.. then good luck with the Score Editor - Logic's strength is its combination of Score and Midi programming which makes for a certain kind of very fast input once you get familiar with the techniques. So much so that there are a bunch of old hands on this forum ( though they are a dying breed) who have a lot of knowledge about how to do this and a LOT of expertise in producing totally professional scores for orchestras and live recording situations, films scores etc of any kind...
.. all done on the Logic Score Editor. Where others use Finale and Sibelius etc
But because the main focus of Logic 8 and Logic 9 have gone away from the Score Editor ( which has not received any significant bug fixes or new features for many many months) - the message from on high is that nobody really cares about the wealth of user professional knowledge that has grown around the use of the Score Editor over previous versions of Logic .. and a really great feature of the original programme has been left to ...well die.
Fewer and fewer new users of Logic are attracted to taking the time to learn how to use the Score Editor ...especially because it is now virtually unsupported by the company that owns it.
Anyone wishing to continue to use it has to digest this painful fact and decide whether he/she wants to get a life of hanging out in a couple of friendly forums to hook up with a dwindling number of users who know how to deal with the Score Editor and get round enfuriating bugs and idiosyncrasies which will never be resolved.
.. actually its not a bad life... and there are few people around who make it all worthwhile ;
best
Music Spirit

How do you draw a tie of two notes in the score editor window

How do you draw a simple tie in the score editor window of Logic Pro 10 ; two quarter notes together, an eighth up-beat accross a bar line into the next measure etc? I can't find the answer in videos, help manual. Please give a step by step how to do it.
It's hard to believe that a program like Logic, that has more information than the New York Public Library, does not have a simple solution for tieing notes. Maybe Logic XI will have one, or "Logicians" can speak to Sibelius for a more "note-worthy" way to solving the problem so that the score editor can be more accessible for editing purposes for those that read and write manuscript. Lew Traver

Hi
Ties are generally automatically created as necessary. Simply adjust the length of the note in the Score (using DurationBars or the Inspector), or in the Piano Roll or Event list.
CCT

Is it possible to change the length of a note in the score editor?

I thought I saw somewhere that it was now possible to adjust the length of a note in the score editor graphically, i.e. by clicking on the note and somehow adjust its length directly to change it from 1/4 note to 1/8 (for example).
I don't want to do this by going over to the "Length" dialog on the left because I hate having to switch from thinking in terms of music notation and then having to think (temporarily) in MIDI ticks per beat, etc.
I must admit that I'm finding it extremely frustrating to simply enter music into Logic in a score....I thought this was supposed to be one of its strengths but it seems to be providing amazing capabilities at the expense of ease of use for beginners.

dhjdhj wrote:
I thought I saw somewhere that it was now possible to adjust the length of a note in the score editor graphically, i.e. by clicking on the note and somehow adjust its length directly to change it from 1/4 note to 1/8 (for example).
greetings dh... are you into Key Commands? There are two which will help you do the above in a trice:
• Nudge Region/Event Length Right by SMPTE Frame
• Nudge Region/Event Length Left by SMPTE Frame
I set mine to the simple letter o and n
- I click on a note and press o repeatedly.. it grows and grows longer and longer
– I click on a note and press n repeatedly.. it shrinks and shrinks shorter and shorter
All by little increments
If you keep a Piano Roll window open while you do this, you can see the length do this exactly
man, it is VERY quick and handy for changing the length of notes
It really helps to have a view of the midi Piano Roll to cross check the exact length and position of the notes.
Check out the Key Commands:
• Set Next Higher division
• Set Next lower division
These change the note value in the transport bar near the time signature. Your time signature may be 4/4 but the "grid" on which the notes are appear in the Piano Roll could be displayed in quarter, 8th or 16th notes. If you experiment with these commands, then you can match the note lengths easily to the grid display visually (with the above nudge length commands)
Also - you may like to experiment with the following 3 KEY Key Commands:
1 • Nudge Region/Event Position Right by Nudge Value
2 • Nudge Region/Event Position Left by Nudge Value
This will move your selected notes forward in time or back in time according to the
value that is set in the Transport bar - say it is 16ths .. then each press of the key will move the notes a 16th
or if the value is 8th notes, then each press of the key forward or backwards will move the selected notes forward or back by this amount
... amazingly useful when you are taking a whole phrase and pasting it somewhere else, or if say you started to write a phrase in the Score Editor and you started on the wrong beat.. then you just Nudge back and forth
3 • Set Nudge Value to Division
.. this will in a trice change change the Nudge Value to whatever Note division value is set in the Transport bar
HTH and forgive me if I have given you too much information
..problem is I spent too much time in the Transport Bar in Los Angeles last year drinking with the iSchwartz and other Logic reprobrates... you should join us some time

Score Editor doesn't display region after cut

Hello, after cutting a small section between locators in the Piano Roll I changed to the Score Editor view.
It will not show the bars after the cut, although the piece plays merrily on ! I moved the playhead to a part after the cut, but still no luck.
How can I change this ?
Kay.

Maybe.... select the two regions at same time... or... Double click on the score window ... but in any case the score is related to the region size.
G

Some Drum notes not displaying in Score editor

I have a problem with a project in getting a correct display of the drum notes in the Score editor despite the playback being OK. I have a mapped drum instrument set up with an identcal structure to that on another project which is working properly. This includes the staff type, the establishment of the drum groups, the relative note positions etc. The difference I have found when comparing the event editor contents between the project which does dispaly correctly and the one the doesn't is that on the one that does, each note is the event list shows the drum type e.g. ride cym, snare, kick etc. whereas as in the project with the display problems, the event display for each note simply shows the word 'Note' even for the parts of the track which do display correctly.
Can anyone advise where the problem could be. I've spent the best part of the day trying to sort this out and now am at a loss as to what to try next !
thanks for any advice.
Swingtones

Hi
Do you have the track correctly assigned to the Mapped Instrument Environment object?
One way is to drag the Mapped Instrument from the Environment window onto the Track Header
CCT

Score Editor bug: syncopating a note disturbs line layout

In the example below, the instrumental part with max 2 bars per line has been created with the Layout Tool, and then the selection saved as a Score Set ( which i hope locks all the page details in place).
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I then noticed that the red circled note is not displayed correctly - it should be a dotted eighth note and duly click on it with my Syncopate note command.
This then produces the following effect: it crunches up the bars and disturbs the line layout which was already set, cramming 3 bars onto the line above as in the example below.
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Any solutions appreciated/workflow suggestions.. or is this just "..another L8 Score Editor bug.. wasting more of 2009"
PS Any suggestions as how to get the images to display in the post - as opposed to appear a link? cheers
Message was edited by: musicspirit

i should be enjoying my holiday but i couldn't help myself...
there are a couple of fixes for this.
first, try cutting the regions somewhere to force a redraw.
second, if no form of cutting or reformatting works, try copy and pasting the midi into a fresh autoload on the intel.
particularly if the file was created pre 7.2. there can be compatibility issues between ppc and intel.

Score Editor: request for feature

In preparing parts from a Score one of the most annoying deficiencies of the Score Editor is that it cannot REMEMBER a Score Set Layout and transfer it to another instrument.
To do this for each instrument which has exactly the same lines and spacings ( ie brass or sax section) is extremely time wasting.
Let's say you create a Score Set and call it TRUMPET with all completed line breaks etc, suppose you save that Logic Document as TROMBONE and then try and use the TRUMPET Score Set, for Trombone, Logic will not remember a thing... ie unless you call up the Trumpet Scoreset again.
Does anyone agree with me that to add a saveable Score Set template would be a feature worth requesting in a future version of the Score Editor?
best
MS

Good points. Emagic and Apple have not placed Scoring high on their priority list. I for one, would love to see some enhancements and improvements made to the scoring section
As a sort of work around
You can create additional text styles to use in the score page. On the score page, create a new text styles, call it GRL - define a font and size.
You can create and use markers to cycle and jump to different sections of song. These should work no matter which editing window you are currently viewing (i haven't tried that though)

Score editor: command z, bug?

hi,
I have a score with different time signatures: 3/8, 4/4, 7/7, 5/16, etc.
Every time I press command+Z logic erases nearly all of my time signatures (and the last action I wanted to "undo" it isn't of course the addition of the time signatures logic erases )
Is it a bug?
thanks

Hi Ko be
I just tried opening in L8 an L7 song which has several key signature changes 4/4 to 7/4 to 4/3 and Command + Z doesnt erase them...
I would be pretty sure that your problem is one of those bugs which occurs from a corruption within a Logic 8 document.. but is not a 'generic' L8 defect.
L8 score editor - although improved in some ways - has driven me nuts with really simple weird bugs which L7 never used to do .. eg:
• clicking on a chord symbol ( to bring up the box for editing different elements root/bass note etc) sometimes takes ages to activate - or when it does then the whole part disappears and you are left with a grey page which says " there is nothing in the score editor"
• another intermittent bug is rubber banding a group of chord symbols to cut and paste simple, or drag alter alignment - just does not not work and the chords dont let themselves be selected and go into flashing mode. This is unbelievably irritating especially when you are expecting something so simple to work as before
• the other method of selecting - holding shift and clicking on chord symbols to select a group doesnt work
All this kind of stuff intermittent... ie you never know which Logic Song it is going to start behaving badly in
all best
M S

Score Editor

I'm using my grand piano with midi capability to input data into my Logic express program.
The rhythmic values that I play are always changing as a normal course of improvising. So 1 measure might have triplets, 16ths. *I play 8ths that are played in a swing feel, which should be notated EVENLY!* ARGH!
I'm very confused about how to get these values to display properly in the score editor.
If I play a line into the program with mixed rhythmic values I can't seem to get the score editor to display the result the way I want to see it. Is there a way to do this? An easy way?
It appears that a great deal of editing is required to edit live playing to get a readable score in the score editor. I realize that playing accurately is crucial but it seems that I'm stuck even when I play accurately.
Along the same lines, in a *piano score* can the S*PLIT between bass and treble clefs* be changed from one area of the score to another. Sometimes left hand comping part goe above C3 and sometimes the right hand will go BELOW C3. How to a display this in a piano score would be great to know. Any tips would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks from
Mark Eisenman
[email protected]

That would be pretty slick, since Logic already does guess what chord you're playing. But to the best of my knowledge, the answer is no. I could be wrong, but I don't think Express does that.
However, it appears that Logic Pro might be able to do it, as of 7.1.
Here's Google's cache of the 7.1 notes for Pro
You can insert chords from the global Chord Track into your score, and print them that way. Since Express doesn't have a chord track, it can't do this.

How do override the automatic cross staff beaming in Score Editor?

I created a Piano Midi file and opened it in the Score Editor. In attempt to clean up the notation I asked that the middle C be a "Staff Below Voice". It then lowered the note to the bottom staff and added a Cross Staff Beam connecting the two. How do I get rid of this?
Notice the first beat of measure 3 and 4 are cross staffed. I would like there to be 2 notes in each staff.

Actually, I finally (after hours) figured it out. You have to differentiate what Midi channel you want each staff to be and it will break the two staves apart.

Rest entry in score editor

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