Retaining local axis in Transform Mode (non-Smart object)

Hi guys,
I was wondering if there is any way to track an object's rotation axis something like the difference between Local & Global axes in 3d programs.
I know if I started the transformation as a Smart Objects and keep it as a smart object, it does remember. Is there any other workaround for a non-smart object to retain this information?
Just trying my luck here. Thanks

There is a big difference between a smart object layer and a raster later. Though a smart object layer seems to behave like a raster layer its operation is very different. The Pixels rendered by Photo do not change they are only acted on. Everything is recorded for the layer each smart object layer has an associated transform. If you transform the layer again you actually adjusting the recorded transform your not making a new one. If you transform a raster layer you wind of with a different layer, Pixels may have been deleted or added you do not have access to the old data except in Photoshop history states till it get deleted. Smart object data is protected and survive even save in a layered document.

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Ps CS6 Problem: Transform applied to Smart Object fails to transform an attached Smart Filters Mask

Ps CS6
OSX 10.6.8
Problem: Transform applied to Smart Object fails to transform an attached Smart Filters Mask.
I mean a Transform, including Free Transform, as found in the Edit menu. A simple move by the Move Tool is OK.
A workaround until this bug is squashed is to encapsulate the Smart Object + Smart Filters + Filter Mask inside another Smart Object and transform that.
However, that will not be a satisfactory solution in some cases. If a filter has size parameter(s), e.g. Gaussian Blur radius, a scaling or warping/distorting transform applied after the filter will obviously differ from the filter applied after the transform.
In any case, the workaround is inconvenient to subsequent editing and experimenting with filters and masks.

R_Kelly wrote:
I don't think that's a bug since the implementation seems to be purposely done.
It's been that way since photoshop cs3.
If its been like that since CS3 then I think it's a bug which remains because nobody (or not enough people) has complained before.

Ps CS6 Problem: Transform applied to Smart Object cannot be repeated on another target

Ps CS6
OS X 10.6.8
Problem: Transform applied to Smart Object cannot be repeated on another target.
"Edit > Transform > Again" fails to transform any target after a Transform is applied to a Smart Object. The following message appears:

When ever I have a problem in CS6 and I have many I always test priot releases like cs2 cs3 cs5. I nevet nitice before you posted this problem the Photoshop has different favlors of Free Transform and that free transform for CS6 has been modified. Adobe seems to be introducind new improvement matche with new bugs,
Investgating your bug using CS5 I see the following. There are two types of free transform one type seems to be for smart Object layers and the other for other layer types. In CS5 you should see a difference in the Option bar for Free transform.
The option bar for layers other then smart object looklike this:
Transform 9 anchor point icons X: field Relative icon Y: filed W: % Constrain icon H: % Angle ° H: ° V: °
The Option Bar for Smart Object layers look like this:
Transform 9 anchor point icons X: field Relative icon Y: filed W: % Constrain icon H: % Angle ° Check Box Anti Alias (grayed out)
If I use the one for other then smart object layers Transform Again is not gratey out and I can use Transform Again on layers even smart object layers However the anchor point seems to be relative always to the first transformed layer's anchor point
If I use free transform on the smart Object Layer and not have done any transform on a other then smart object layer in this Photoshop session not even in an other document the smart object layer will be tramsformed and Transform again menu item will be grayed out. If any had done a Transform on an layer other then smart object layer even in an other document Transform Again would not be grayed out and could be used on the smart object layer at hand. The transform would not be the one just done on the smart object layer rather it be the one done to the other then smart object layer. Seems a bit bazzar to me. This may be how CS6 is also working.
CS6 also added interpolation method to the other then Smart object layer transform and not the one for smart object layers. To be consuitant Adobe should have also put interpolation into the omart opject transform for Adobe transforms smart opject layer by first rendering the pixels for the smart opject then transforms them like a raster layer. Adobe did manage to record the interpolation use into an action step. However I do not know if the made it into Scripting it did not make it into the photoshop javascript user guide. I will test the scriptlistener plugin to see if it records it for the action manager....
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I have now tested the Scriptlistner Plugin it does record the interpolation for transform normal layers. Still the layer resize method in the Photoshop Javascript user guide has not been change for that support. In the past what I have done is scripting was to save the users default interpolation Photoshop prenerenvr changed the preference to what I wanted to use do the layer transform resize then restored the users interpolation preferance. Adobe broke that in CS6 if the users defalt preference is what Adobe's defalt is "Bicubic Automatic" an internal Photoshop error occurs. Adobe did not add "Bicubic Autoimatic" to scripting when I try to save the preference scriping has the internal error. There is also no way to set the preference back to "Bicubic Automatic. I'm also transform smart object layers so I would still have to use the save preference, change preference, transform, restore preferance method. This works if the users preference is set to some preference other the "Bicubic Automatic"
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So to me it look like CS5 and CS6 transform work basiclly the same. There seems to have been some behavior changes made to CS6 I can not seem to put my finger on as well as the addition of the interpolation method in the option bar. I can't put my finger on it so it may be the same in CS5 and CS6.
It may have to do with the bazar behavior of Free Transform and Transform Again not being available on smart object layers if no free transform to a normal layer has been done in this Photoshop session but are available if one was done in any doument. And thet you can start to do a transform on the smart object layer and see the Transform handle but then start using transform Again shortcut Ctrl+Shift+T and watch the old transform being done perhaps rotating some virtual anchor point and not around the acnchor point bing displayed in the Transform bounding box and control points.
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Over in the Adobe Feedback site several issues were posted with CS6 Transform one was marked "Not a problem" by Adobe. One was marked "Solved" by Adobe and the others have no Adobe markings the may on not be a problem
So I beleive there is a bug but I do not think it originated in CS6 the bazar things I see happing also seem to be in CS5.

Photoshop CS6, Free Transform & interpolation on Smart Objects

Hi,
I'm really frustrated with this, since in all the previous versions this problem was not present.
When I try to scale down a Smart Object, by using the Free Transform tool, I get over-sharped edges. I suspect this is an interpolation issue. Mind you when I do the same on a raster layer I can overcome it since there is an option box where I can choose interpolation method.

flamestudios wrote:
That worked for me, even if I would prefer to be able to choose interpolation method when I transform Smart Object layers, just like you can on raster ones.
That not an option and its never an option using DOM scripting code you need to retrieve the users interpolation method set the one you want to use and then restore the users preference. Adobe even broke that in CS6. If you try the retrieve the user preference and it set to "Bicubic Automatic" which happens to be Adobe's default setting CS6 script encounters an internal error. If you catch the error and you can know the user setting is "Bicubic Automatic" If you change the setting your unable to restore the users setting for like you can not retrieve "Bicubic Automatic" using DOM code you can not set it with DOM code. Perhaps you can with Action Manager scriptlistener code. I'll give Adobe some more time to fix this before adding special code into my scripts to get around the CS6 problem.

Transforming perspective of smart objects

I am trying to bring a poster that I've made in Illustrator into a photoshop image(a storefront).
I am pasting the .ai file as a smart object so that in the future, I can swap in other posters that are made in AI. I also will need to distort the perspective of the posters. The problem I'm having is that when I place an .ai file as a smart object, my only transform options are scale, rotate, skew and warp. Ideally I'd be able to use distort, which isn't available. As a last resort I could use warp.
However, when I use warp on a smart object and then go to edit contents, the layer opens as a .psb file rather than opening in Illustrator. Is there any solution for this?

What about rasterizing your poster in it's actual size in the photoshop parent doc. Then save it as a smart object. Then apply a Warp to the smart object.
Then when you have an alternate poster to place just open the smart object and place the new poster (rasterized) into the same .psb file as a new layer and update.
Then it will take on the existing Warp of your previously placed poster.
The only additional step for you would be the rasterizing of the illustrator art.

CS5 transform camera raw smart object with mask funniness?

When I try and trasform a camera raw smart object that has a layer mask, the trasform box is not the size of the image, but is about a quarter of the image and it moves up to the upper left quarter of the image. If I first rasterize the smart object then add a mask it transforms just fine. Or if I rasterize the camera raw smart object, then make it a smart object and add a layer mask it transforms normally. So it appears to be an issue with transforming a camera raw smart object with a layer mask that is the issue. Is this a bug?
Thanks,
Steve

I can't post the image publicly because of NDA, but I will pm you a link to the file. I don't always have this issue in cs5. I even tried opening up the same file in a new document and then made a mask and it transformed just fine. But it also is not limited to just this file, I have had this happen with other images as well.
Thanks,
Steve

Can you use more than transformation in a smart object in the timeline, ie for tweening?

I know I can use transformation, but ideally I wish to 'distort' the pixels within a selection without changing the boundary, say with the liquify tool.
If you can't do this, maybe Adobe can consider this feature for future release, ie giving greater manipulation control when tweening in a smart object layer in the timeline.

Coq rouge wrote:
NI is not making the Real Time OS in house. I do not remember which firm that is making it. Anyway you are allowed to use a hard drive that has been partitioned. And 126GB is some space is it not? I remember Bill Gates declared one time that 640Kb ram should be more than enough for any PC application also in the future
Coq Rouge (formerly t06afre),
The RealTime OS is an NI Product that is purchased from NI.
NI may or may not outsource design, developement, or manufacturing of the products that it sells under its own Company name.
For this reason I would be concerned if I were a PXI Embedded Controller designer/developer in the United States.
Yes, 126GB is some space. I see that there are now 2TB drives available. 126GB would be 6.3% of a new 2TB drive. Should we all be happy with being able to use 6.3% of the available drive space. Moore's Law seams to be alive and well. Drives larger than 126GB have been readily available for 5 or 6 Years. This should not be a surprise to NI. Why don't they do something about it.
Thanks for the trivia on Bill Gates. I must have missed that one since I don't try to keep up with Microsoft. I believe that he is a wonderful person and he and his family are doing wonders for the world in their "retirement". The world needs more like him.
What I do remember is Steve Jobs telling us that we would never need more that 128MB and that we would never to need to do anymore software development because everything was already in the "ToolBox".
McKevin.

Transforming a Smart Object Layer

Plain ordinary photograph..... Start with a background layer. Add a layer for doing non-destructive cloning. Add a couple layers for adjusting curves and hue/saturation.
Then do a merge visible to create a new layer from all the underlying layers and still keep all the underlying layers.
Convert this layer to a smart object and apply Smart Sharpening.
All the above works fine.........................
Now I want to do a transform - free, scaling, whatever..... I can select the marged layer but all the transforms are grayed out.
How do I do a transform on a smart object layer?

Hi Noel. Your questions are valid... This isn't my normal post-processing.
NORMALLY, I have a couple layers for dodging and burning, probably something for other fiddling, my normal adjustment layers for curves and hue/saturation, then a "stamp visible". Depending on whether or not I wind up converting to b&w I may have a couple other layers for that.... Then I save the psd, and afterward crop and sharpen as needed. Generally,
my sharpening is to use the Smart Sharpen on my merged layer, OR to duplicate thelayer and do a high-pass sharpening.
Recently, I've seen two presentations by well-regarded Photoshop experts extolling the virtues of doing as much as possible in non-destructive ways. For sharpening, as I understand it, this means either opening the original image as a smart object, or converting to a smart object prior to sharpening. SO, I've been trying this on some images, just to see if there are some real advantages, or if it's just a big pain-in-the-neck way to do something that's pretty standard.... Frankly, I"m still not sure.
In THIS particular case, I had an image that had been edited, and the sharpening applied through the smart filter PRIOR to cropping. My wife requested a non-standard resizing, not a crop, that meant using a transform to change the aspect ratio of the image. That's when I found that the transforms wouldn't work on my smart object..
Unfortunately, as it turns out, I was right - it was an error on my part. I SELECTED part of the image on the layer with the marque tool... Had i NOT done the selection, the transform would have worked fine.....
So, the bottom line is yes, I agree that it's easy to get caught up in trying to make everything non-destructive and flexible, but sometimes it's more trouble than it's worth.

Link Smart-Object Filter mask to transformation of Smart object

Often it would be very nice, if you could link the filtermask of a smart object to the smart object itself. So that when you transform the SM (rotate, scale etc) the filtermask of the smartfilter is transformed, too.

It would seem if a linked layer mask can be transformed with the smart object the filter mask could be linked as well.
I didn't mean the workaround to be vote against the request. But it does have an added benefit. When you transform a smart object with almost any smart filter the appearance of the filter changes. Blurs become more or less blurred depending on the transform. Same with sharpen. If you want the effect of the filter to appear the same after the transform you need to embed it into a new smart object.

Perspective transform for Smart object.

Hello!
I working on the Photoshop with Smart Object with link to Illustrator. How can i transform perspective for Smart Object in Photoshop? There are accessible to me only Scale Rotate and Skew, others is gray out.
Thanks all!

That's a special type of SO you've got: Vector SO. Right-click it in Layers panel and pick Convert to Smart Object. That'll put the VSO inside a SO which you can transform with perspective.

Return file to resolution of Smart Object?

I often make a photo into a Smart Object within my file and then resize my file smaller for web.
That way I can keep a copy of my original photo at full size but apply colour correction, sharpening etc at the web size.
So lets say the image dimensions are 300px wide but that file holds a smart object that is much larger.
Is there an easy way to return the file to the larger size without losing my color adjustment layers etc?
I know I can just make it larger but I want to return to the exact size of the smart object without having to open said smart object, record the size and then go back and enter it.

emil emil wrote:
conroy wrote:
Sudarshan Thiagarajan wrote:
After you resize your SO to the size it originally was not in, hit Cmd + T or Ctrl + T (Win) to go to Free Transform mode. Then on the menu bar, resize the W & H values to 100%. It will revert the SO to its 100% dimension.
Follow that with Image > Reveal All.
This will work only if the rest of the layers are adjustment layers without having any masks. If there are masks they will not scale along.
I believe all that menu "Image>Reveal All" does is simply add canvas to the document so that the canvas size will not mask off any pixels of any layer. No other resizing is done. The canvas size may actually be larger then the smart object image layer layer's size after the Image Reveal All. The actual Smart Object Image layer will still be 100% image size and may be smaller then canvas size. So IMO conroy is correct. The smart object layer will be still be 100% images size after the image reveal all operation and none of its pixels will be masked off by the canvas size..
If other layers are involved that create a composite image. Image Size would be the proper tool the resize all the layers involver. How well the other layers resize back up depends of the layers. Transforming only the smart object image layer is not the proper thing to do. It would be best to group all layers involved in the composite including the smart object image layer into a single smart object layer before the original down size.
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Smart Objects...changing canvas size problem

When changing the canvas size of a smart object, the layer on the original document will distort visually since it doesn't update the size of the smart object.
Is there a solution to this, or an easy way to quickly update every instance of the smart object on the original doc?
To clarify: I know that you can change the dimensions of the smart object on the original doc and it'll fix it, my question is if there's a way to automatically have that happen and have the original doc smart objects respect your canvas size changes on the smart object doc.
Reproduce:
1) Draw a circle
2) Turn it into a smart object
3) Go into the smart object, change the canvas size by increasing the height of the canvas. The smart object should now have a circle with blank space above/below it.
4) Save the smart object
5) The circle on the original document will now be squished.
I'm using Photoshop CS5

xg3 wrote:
When changing the canvas size of a smart object, the layer on the original document will distort visually since it doesn't update the size of the smart object.
When you change the canvas size of a document the only layer that will change is a backgroung layer for it does not support transparency so its pixels will be changed. However a background layer should not distort it may be cropped and have canvas added in which case the color of the empty canvas can be set in the canvas size dialog. All other layer including Smart Object layer should not chang at all. Layer positioning in relationship to the canvas and the new canvas size is set during the canvas size change. Layers can be any size and have any aspect ratio. Their sizes can be smaller, the same or larger then the canvas size. Even layer that can fit within a documents canvas size may be positioned so that all, some or none of the layer is over the documents canvas.
I do not know what you mean when you write the original document chages. A smart object layer has an embedded copy of an object. The original document is not touched. You can open the smart object layer embedded object in Photoshop by double clicking on the smart object icon in the layers palette smart object layer and change it size. And distort it f you wish. When you use Photoshop save. Photoshop will change the enbedded object in the smart object layer. You can also leave the embedded smaro object as is and change the smart object layer size and distort it using transform on the smart object layer itsself.
I think what you did was to open the smart object in photoshop change its canvas saze then save it. The updated smart object is realy round but you dont see that it is becaue it is being transformec ti fit the original documents canvas. If you do a Canvas size on the codument you will see the original docyment canvas size is not change and thet your now squaching a now changed taller object into a shorter canvas. With each Smart Obkect layer there is as associated transform.
No I was wrong I just tried that and it looks like the transform was not the problem as yo can see I dir a Ctrl+T so you can see the size of the smart object layer is now biger then the original document and is positioned centered canvas is still 300x300 white area in image

Smart Objects without tmp files

I am trying to place/ import a .psd as a smart object into a composite and have Photoshop keep referenceing that same psd witout it creating a local tmp file.
does anyone know fi this can be done?
Thanks!

Embedded objects are independent of any original file. Embedded objects are a copy of whatever (file, layer, group, etc) anything supported by Photoshop. You can have smart object layers in a document that share a common object. If you replace that common shared object all the smart object layers that share that the object pixels will change and be transformed by the smart object layer's associated transform. This is often used for creating picture packages. However the replacement object must be the same size as the original object for all the transforms to work correctly.
In fact when you update a smart object layer by double clicking on a layer's smart icon in the layers palette. Photoshop copies the object into a unique file in your user id temp space the first time you double click on a layers smart icon as a work file. This file will remain there till the document containing the object the temp file was created for is closed in Photoshop. If you make more the a single edit to a smart object layer in an edit session the same file will be use only a single temp file is used any given object. Photoshop will delete any temp files it created for a document when the document is closed in Photoshop. When users commit changes to the temp work file Photoshop will update the documents embedded object. The work file may be updated by Photoshop or a Plug-in like ACR.
There have been threads about creating metadata links for Smart Object layer to help user try to keep things in sync. I don't know if its possible or that is that desirable not to have versions of objects

Vector shape to smart object, is blurry when scaled

I've recently been upgraded to Photoshop CS5.5 and am having issues with smart objects.
Quite often I would:
make a shape layer, say a circle
apply a layer style, say a stroke and drop-shadow
Convert this to a smart-object
Resize this object to whatever I needed and it would scale perfectly, the layer styles and crisp edge would scale.
Now, when I use this same workflow, the whole object becomes blurry - like it's become one giant bitmap instead of retaining its original nature.
The blurred smart object loses it's vector nature and looks horrible, this is surely an error.

It depends on how you scale the smart object layer. If you just use Ctrl+T free transform Photoshop will matieilize the pixels for the layer then resize the materilazed pixel layer like normal raster layer not text not a shape layer. If on the otherhand you double click on the smart object icon in the layer in the layers palette Photoshop will open the smart object in photoshop. If it a RAW file it wil open in ACR. If is is a Photoshop Document like a PSD, Tif, Jpeg etc it will open in Photosgop. If it is some Photoshop object like a layer group a collection of layers an vector shape layer it will open in Phpotoshop. You can then scale the smart object with Photoshop tools like ACR or Image size set resample constrain scale layer style etc to scale the smart object when you use save the change Photoshop will update the smaer object layer in the document. You can do the save by clicking the Close icon and respond yes to save. Scaling the smart object layr this way will scale text and vectors the way you want them to be scaled.
http://forums.adobe.com/message/3498406#3498406

Trying to crop layer, getting "Can't complete because smart object not editable" message

Using PSE v9 on a Mac
I have a layer with an image that I want to crop around an element on the image. I've selected the area and inversed, then hit delete (why isn't there just a 'Crop' command?) and am getting a message that says:
"Could not complete your request because the smart object is not directly editable."
I'm not clear what a smart object is and whey they're not editable, and how I can make this editable, and how does that change the image.
Thanks
doug

You don't won't to crop the whole photo, just delete the area from the layer
that you've selected?
Two ways:
1. Go to Layer>Simplify Layer before using delete.
2. If you want to keep the smart object, select the area you want to keep, not
delete, then hit the Add Layer Mask button at the bottom of the layers panel.
A smart object is usefull for resizing an image layer over and over without losing
quality (the image doesn't pixelate like it does on a non smart object)
If your not planning on doing lots of resizing or transforming on the layer, then removing
the smart object by Layer>Simplify Layer won't make much difference.
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