Reverse Telecine NTSC error

I'm tring to reverse telecine video files with a 29.97 fps and am getting an error that reads "this movie file does not have an NTSC frame rate."
they are NTSC, so I don't understand what I need to do.

Probably too late but...
Did you try opening the files in QuickTime and check the properties (Cmd-I) to ensure they are in fact NTSC files w/correct frame rate? Just a shot in the dark.
Ric

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Reverse Telecine 24fps Error?!?

Hi,
We've troubleshot this all ways possible, it seems, so here goes:
Our show is downconverting HD to 29.97; we're editing in 23.98 sequences. The other assistant has been able to successfully Reverse Telecine the footage (which we've batch-captured from a DVCam deck) from 29.97 to 23.98. On my system, however, when I choose the Reverse Telecine option in FCP 5.1.1, the footage ends up as 24 fps. IE, in the Video Rate column, it shows up as 24 fps.
It doesn't matter which system the footage has been captured on; on his system, if he's done the RT, then it shows up correctly as 23.98. If I RT on my system, it shows up as 24. (And any footage which he has RTed on his system correctly imports onto my system at 23.98.)
Any ideas?
We've played around with (seemingly) all the sequence/capture presets and nothing affects the above result. Otherwise, all our settings - including Cinema Tools - are set the same.
Any advice would be most helpful.
-Chris

Hi,
Thanks for your replies. We just discovered it today - there's a hidden preference in Cinema Tools where you can choose to conform to 24 or 23.98 fps; this preference is not available in Final Cut.
What you have to do is: in Cinema Tools, go to File > Open Clip, which will bring up a clip and options for Reverse-Telecine and Conform. Then, if you click on the Conform option, the next window will give you the ability to change the fps for conforming. Change to 23.98. Even if you Cancel without RTing the clip, the option will remain as whichever you selected. Then close and reopen Cinema Tools and you can Batch RT from Cinema Tools or FCP correctly.
Note that if you change the fps in the Rev Telecine option previous, the changed fps will not remain as default. Also note that you have to capture a clip (or have a movie file somewhere on the drive) in order to be able to access these preferences.
Much grief from some lousy program design.
Thanks for the help.
-Chris

Reverse Telecine error

Does any one know what an "Error-43" means in the reverse telecine log? I am not able to batch reverse or single clip reverse any of my clips. The process stops 3/4 of the way through, I have tried many different clips and settings but keep getting error -43 in the log....?

remove the "/" in your file name. that happened to me too. Renamer4Mac is a great free utility that may help you.

Reverse telecine and final cut

hi. hope the gurus can help.
we shot a short with dvx 100a. we shot on 24p (NORMAL). I am trying to create a 23.98 workflow for the video. all the footage was captured in DV NTSC, and used cinema tools to Reverse Telecine. here come the issues: how do I know which "capture mode" the DVX uses? also which "Style." I tried different settings, and the strange part is that some settings work for some clips while others work for other clips, even though all clips were captured the same way. when i say worked, i mean some showed obvious "flicker" or "ghosting" and some were fantastic. all this on a 23.98 timeline in FCP.
please help,
thanks
liron

when i look at the counter on the original tape, how
would i be able to tell if it was shot in 24p or any
other settings?
yep, it's not in the manual and i found this one day long ago when i got my dvx just after they were first released: open the lcd and on the bottom towards the lens there is the counter button. with the camera in vtr mode and playing the tape, toggle that counter button and you'll get a wealth of info including what framerate the video was shot with.
as for the reverse telecine, how can one determine
what "capture mode" was used? apple suggests a burned
tc, but i do not have that off the dvx.
dude, as far as a reverse telecine, that is determined by which mode was used to photograph with the camera. with fcp 4 you only use cinema tools for 24p standard video but i understand with the latest version of cinema tools you can use for 24P and 24PA, but i've not tried this.
i'd advise you to do a little research. the fcp production studio has a great appendix on 24p material and also go here http://www.adamwilt.com/24p/index.html and here http://www.kenstone.net/fcphomepage/24p_in_FCPnattress.html
good luck.

Reverse Telecine in Cinema Tools

My 24p fcp project is finished and I need to reverse telecine it to get rid of the ugly interlacing. How do I do this?
I've tried importing the movie into Cinema Tools and it keeps crashing. When I import the whole thing as a single clip (QT Movie), the Reverse Telecine button isn't available.
Also, why can't I import an mpeg-2 clip?
I'm using Cinema Tools 2.2, in case this has something to do with it.
Thanks in advance.

Oh, and Mr. Gilman was saying that there will be interlacing no matter what if it's on DVD or Beta? Why is this?
It's what I was trying to tell you when I said If tape, you need the pulldown anyway. If DVD, the pulldown would be added by the player.
You have to understand where the interlacing is coming from. It is coming from the pulldown inserted to bring the fps from 24 to 30...
Google reveals these Pulldown explanation pages:
http://www.adamwilt.com/24p/#24pRecording
http://home.aol.com/ajaynejr/pulldown.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/24p
http://www.zerocut.com/tech/pulldown.html
http://www.denecke.com/24pinfo.htm
here's a visual representation of 24P with pulldown added to be recorded on a 29.97 tape (this is how all feature films are broadcast on NTSC)
You can see from this image that two frames BC and CD are interlaced - that is, they are made up of two fields taken from different frames. When a DVD has 24fps material on it, the DVD player automatically inserts this pulldown to bring it up to 30 fps so it can be shown on a regular TV.
Now. I believe your problem may stem from an incorrect field order, but first I want to ask - When you created your export of your movie that you fed into DVDSP to make your DVD, did you try importing it into FCP and playing it back on your TV. Did it look okay then?
Patrick

Adding flags to a Panasonic 1200 deck for reverse telecine in post?

I am doing a telecine of some 16mm film. We are dumping it as 720p DVCPRO HD with a rented Panasonic 1200 deck. I did this last time and everything looks great except I had major issues turning my 59.94 source material to 23.98 material [reverse telecine] in post. Is there a settingt on the 1200 deck to tell it to flag the frames as they do with the varicam so I can do a really easy frame excraction within Final Cut Pro or Cinema Tools? Hit me back with any info if you got it ... thanks!!!

Thanks for the clip. That helps a lot.
This confirmed what I thought. You cannot Reverse Telecine something at 59.94. Cinema Tools is designed for footage telecined at 29.97...NTSC. It doesn't recognize 59.94 as NTSC because that is an HD frame rate, not an SD one. Cinema Tools was designed for SD.
For 59.94 footage, what I have beed doing is either just dropping it into a 23.98 timeline and rendering, or using the Nattress Film Converter to get it from 59.94 to 23.98. Both look great...but require timeline rendering.
So what you CAN do is drop all this footage into a 23.98 timeline, render or apply the filter...render and export as a self contained QT Movie. But then you lose valuable TC. Best bet would be to drop it into the timeline and just render.
I put it here for you to see and download if need be:
http://homepage.mac.com/comeback/.Movies/16mmTestCONV.mov
Shane

Reverse Telecine Question

I'm testing "Cinema Tools Reverse Telecine" from the FCP Tools menu with NTSC DV media and related 35mm Telecine Logs (flxs). The resulting 24fps QTs show proper KeyCode info in overlays and original lab burn-ins but Video TC looses sync between overlays and burn-ins and only catch up at frame 00 of each second. I couldn't find any info about this in FCP's or Cinema Tools help files. Somehow it feels like I'm doing something wrong.
Video TC looses sync after reverse telecine while Keycode remains consistent? Any pointers are appreciated. Thanks a lot!

The video TC burn-in is 30 fps, since there was no 24-frame video to reference during telecine. The keycode is, of course, 24 fps. You now only have 24 frames of video, so the keycode is going to work right, but the video timecode rate has been converted to 24fps. You have two options. You can just ignore the difference in the frame counts (since it matches up on the 00 then you know you're fine) or you can work with a 30 fps timecode rate. Even though there are only 24 frames of video per second, the count will go up to 29. It will just skip numbers along the way in order to get there. That way it should match up with your burned-in timecode, and the actual timecode on the tapes. I think the best way to do that is to start by creating a Cinema Tools database that has the default video TC rate set to 30 NDF. Then do a batch reverse telecine on your clips from within the Cinema Tools application. I think that will create video clips with a 30 fps TC rate.

Reverse Telecine and Temporal Compression

I'm currently editing on a FCP (5.1.4) 23.97fps timeline and have some secondary footage from a canon HV20 that I'd like to use as well. It's already captured, and I want to use a reverse telecine transfer so I can import it to my timeline conformed at the proper rate.
I tried using cinema tools (3) to perform this; first by importing just one clip, but the "rev telecine..." button couldn't be selected, so I tried to batch reverse telecine the clip but was given the error message 'temporal compression'.
I am sure that the footage captured on the HV20 was with the 24 option, so I'm not sure why I'm having and issue. Any advice would be appreciated. The more step-by-step the better.
Thanks!

With Final Cut 5 you need to use Cinema tools after converting every clip to Apple Intermediate Codec (AIC). This is a manual process that you must repeat for each clip. Each time you start and stop the HV20 recording you get a separate clip so if you did a lot of starting and stopping you'll be busy for a while. I did this process as an exercise more than a year ago and was successful but I don't recall the details. I did a Google search for "reverse telecine HV20" and found this article http://www.hdforindies.com/2007/07/working-with-24p-from-canon-hv20.html
I think I found my method on the Canon HV20 forum http://dvinfo.net/conf/canon-vixia-hv40-hv30-hv20-hv10/ back then.
I'm not sure but I think you may need to recapture your footage using the 60i setting in Final Cut. I don't know what Final Cut does to 60i footage captured using the 23.98 setting. You might just be able to change the setting to 29.97 on the captured clips. Worth a try maybe.
Good luck.

Reverse telecine problems with 24pA setting

Just bought a sony v1u and shot with the 24pA setting. i brought it into FCP with the 1080i60 Easy Setup. Dragged the source file into cinematools to get the reverse telecine and it is grayed out. When i tried a batch reverse telecine, it said something about temporal compression and error. any ideas?

I don't believe you can use Cinema Tools to Reverse Telecine HDV material...
Patrick

Bizarre Reverse Telecine issue is driving me insane

OK, so I've got this 200G movie in uncompressed 10-bit 4:2:2 to reverse telecine using Compressor 2.3 (my copy of FCS2 isn't here yet, so that isn't the issue). No cadence breaks or other issues AFAICT. This is an actual telecine I'm reverse telecine'ing, btw.
Since the file doesn't have timecode burn and starts with a black leader, it's hard to get the precise reverse telecine settings by inspection. So I did what I've done in the past - export the first couple of minutes, starting from frame 1, and trial-and-error to get the right settings for the file (in this case, F1-F2, DD).
After doing that, I apply those settings to the big file, go away for 8 hours (since compressor hogs all the ram, the machine is useless for anything else), and return to find that...
...the file didn't reverse telecine properly - some of the frames are interlaced, and not only that, but it's wrong right from the start. Using the exact same settings, the short clip reverses fine, the long clip has interlace, even on the early frames that are the same as the short clip!
At which point, I'm shaking my head in wonder and then banging it against the wall... it doesn't make any sense whatsoever. I've repeated the whole process twice, with the same results.
Any words of wisdom. It goes without saying this was dumped on me with a ridiculously tight deadline.
MacBook Pro Mac OS X (10.4.9)

An update on my progress (hopefully this will help the next person in my situation).
I have found that dividing the job into smaller chunks (about 10 minutes long, 15-16GB) prevents this bizarre problem from happening; it seems to be a bug that only affects larger reverse telecine jobs.
With the smaller chunks, I've found that starting the export from FCP with the first of the two interlaced frames in each group of 5 is the easiest way to go, since it's easy to visually identify, and means that for F1-F2 interlaced telecines, the BC setting will always be the one you need to use. I've also been exporting a short (20 sec) clip with the same start point as each chunk as a sanity check, and so far it's all worked well.
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Reverse Telecine Audio Sync Problems.

Hello,
I have some footage that has been filmed in 35mm 24 fps and telecined into 29,97 NDF NTSC. The audio has been captured in 30fps NDF (real 30 fps). I've imported the flex files into Cinema tools and performed the reverse telecine to 24fps. I checked the converted files and they seem OK.
I get my audio as .WAV sound clips that I imported into FCP and tried to sync them to my 24fps media. No matter what I try, the clips will loose sync after a minute. It looks as if it's been pulled down. I also get green marks on my sequence telling me that I need sample rate conversion for my audio. I've tried reverse telecine to 23,98 and it won't work with either, but I don't get the wrong sample rate line.
I must be doing something very stupid, but I've never done this in FCP. Can anyone help? Thanks in advance,
Alex

This is what I've figured so far. Audio gets imported in 29,97 NDF and not 30 NDF. It won't sync with my 24 fps clips because it thinks it needs to pullup my audio, hence the green line saying I need sample rate conversion.
No matter what I do, I cannot import the audio in real 30 NDF, as it should be.
Help please!
Alex

TRIED EVERYTHING/NO LUCK with Reverse Telecine in Cinema Tools 29.97 to 24p

I read an article that was on Ken Stones site. It said that, basically you CAN'T
take a clip that is at 29.97 and has 3:2 pulldown in it, and get it to actual 24 progressive frames? Is this true? Has ANYONE out there actually removed pulldown CORRECTLY with footage shot at 24, then transferred to 29.97?
I've tried all options with Cinema Tools Reverse Telecine, and I always wind up with some interlacing.
My QT clip has a 3:2 cadence, one can frame through it and see this.
Am I missing something here? Does anyone know a procedure that can get me to 24 progressive frames. Is there a 3rd party piece of software out there?
Any relies appreciated.
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Well then, that is your problem. Those aren't reverse telecin-able. What are reversable are DV tapes that you captured at 29.97...in the DV/NTSC codec.
Are you working with Digital Intermediates? Or footage telecined to tape?
Typical Telecine to Tape workflow is:
Telecine to DVCAM
Lab provides DVCAM and Flex file to you.
Open Cinema Tools. Import Flex file and export batch Capture list.
Import batch capture list into FCP.
Batch Capture the DV footage.
Reverse telecine the footage with Cinema Tools.
Edit.
What exactly are you doing? Where did these files come from? What is your workflow?
Shane

Hvx200 1080i 24p Footage not Properly Reverse Telecining

So I've got a bunch of footage that we shot using the 1080i 24p setting on the hvx200 which yielded 24-in-60 footage, which normally isn't a problem and the other 2 cameras we were shooting (an hv20 and hg10, both in 24p mode) produce the same kind of files. after batching everything out to compressor to remove the telecine, and convert to 1920x1080 prores, i just discovered that all the HVX footage is true 24p, but didn't remove the pulldown correctly, and most every frame is now interlaced.
I'm trying to figure out if it's a compressor issue, a dvchdpro issue, or a computer/install issue. I've had some QT plug-ins that break the reverse telecine function, but considering the hv20 and hg10 footage converted just fine i don't think it's that.
also, after trying to convert to directly to prores and run through cinema tools to do a manual RT, i don't get the option to RT. and lastly using JES Deinterlacer when i set it up and submit i get a "cadence not found" error. it's also is reading the file as progressive when i first put it in JES.
I've also tried running the RT through final cut directly as some of those old pany cams have RT flags and FCP can handle the RT process internally.
Any thoughts anyone? has anyone ever run 1080i 24p footage through compressor and achieved a true 24p framerate, or do i have an isolated instance here?

so after sleeping on the problem, i took the footage and ran compressed it out to prores422, this time making sure to select a frame rate of 29.97 AND checking the "interlaced" button on the codec page. after batching the footage to make it true 60i, i then ran it through compressor again to remove the pulldown, and everything worked as it should. I think the problem arose from the footage reporting itself as DVCHD PRO 30P instead of 60i, and compressor wasn't seeing any fields and therefor not seeing any cadence

FCS2 Reverse Telecine problem with HG10

I have been using the three fingered salute version (Log and Transfer, followed by Compressor's "reverse telecine") of getting 24P files from my HG10 into FCS2. It's worked well with smaller files (a few GB), but I just tried the technique with two very large video files. The Log and Transfer operation works fine. They're approximately 1 hour each, and are around 50GB in size each. But when I try the reverse telecine approach, Compressor seems to just flat-out die out from under me on both files. No error messages. I looked in Console, but nothing there either. It just stops processing, deletes the partially encoded file, and just sits there.
There was a discussion here about this problem prior to the 6.0.1 update, but nothing since.
Again, this works fine for me on little files (a minute or two in duration).
Is there an alternate way of doing the reverse telecine on these large files? Maybe Cinema Tools?

I have never used Compressor for this as Cinema Tools has been rock solid for me every time.

Problems with reversing telecine pull-down

I'm preparing to edit a feature film shot on S16mm. The film was telecined to HDCAM SR at 23.98 for the online. Than down-converted to DVCAM at 29.97 for the offline. I imported the flex files into FCP and captured a bin. Than ran the batch reverse telecine following all instructions in Cinema Tools manual. Clips were converted to 23.98, but when played in FCP strobe or flicker. I cannot for the life of me figure out why. The A-Frames hit on 0's and 5's and that's what all the clips start at.
Note, the strobing or flickering only happens when going out to an external NTSC monitor, not in FPC viewer or canvas.
Does anyone have any ideas?

I see you're on FCP5... if you're about to bust into a feature edit you really might want to move up to FCP6. It's a bit more mature all around.
We just did a Super35mm project (offline in ProRes, and then a 2K DPX-based online) in FCP6, albeit with a slightly different workflow.
I assume you did the HDCAM SR to DVCAM downconversion because you didn't have an HDCAM SR deck and/or HD-SDI input mechanism for the system you're editing on, but you did have a firewire DVCAM deck or something similar.
If the issue was introduced during the HDCAM-SR to DVCAM step, perhaps that's where the issue lies. You may want to try to eliminate that possibility.
Other than that, I'd go through and verify that you are in fact looking at the right fields in the right order. Use whatever mechanisms you have available to you to view the fields independently of each other.
Also, if you're outputting 23.98 video to an external monitor, does that monitor support that output format? Or are you having telecine frames inserted during playback?
There's a limited amount of things that could be wrong here. If your canvas is accurately displaying all of the frames and looks normal, and there's no frames "bleeding fields" into each other when you step through it, and you're sure you're not MISSING any frames or fields, then the telecine frames must have gotten removed properly, that's the only logical conclusion. If that's the case, then your problem is either a bug (possible), a field dominance issue (which you seem to have ruled out) or it's in your external video monitoring system/path. i.e. monitor doesn't like the video it's getting, hardware doesn't support the video signal, something is flat out broken, etc.
That said, HDCAM-SR to ProRes or ProResHQ is a pretty reasonable mastering format for S16-acquired content. If all else fails, go rent an HDCAM-SR deck for the weekend, capture the whole project to ProRes/ProRes HQ, and boom, you're in your online @ 23.98. Just skip the offline altogether. You've already got your FLX files so you could batch the whole job pretty quickly. Storage is cheap.

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