RMAN Incremental Lvl 0 backup vs Full Backup

Hi all professionals,
If my RMAN backup script did not specify the incremental backup strategy, what is the default strategy it would adopt?
say for example: backup as compressed backup set database plus archive log delete input;
Will it use full backup or lvl 0 incremental backup?
There is a RMAN script (similar with the above) running as scheduled job daily and I will also use backup exec to backup the database to tape (manually scheduled to run for each time but not daily) at the same time.
Will the scheduled daily rman script backup affect the scn of the backup using backup exec so that it could not be restore the tape backup using backup exec to a testing db as usual?
(checked that backup exec also use rman script to backup but it uses incremental lvl 0)
Welcome your professional comments and sharing.
Thanks,
Calvin
Edited by: Calvin CS Ng on Aug 8, 2010 9:29 PM

backup as compressed backup set database plus archive log delete input;
Will it use full backup or lvl 0 incremental backup?
It will be a full backup.
There is a RMAN script (similar with the above) running as scheduled job daily and I will also use backup exec to backup the database to tape (manually scheduled to run for each time but not daily) at the same time.
Will the scheduled daily rman script backup affect the scn of the backup using backup exec so that it could not be restore the tape backup using backup exec to a testing db as usual?There should be no impact on restore/recovery.
Doc http://download.oracle.com/docs/cd/B19306_01/backup.102/b14191/rcmconc1.htm#i1011483 says:
>
The only difference between a level 0 incremental backup and a full backup is that a full backup is never included in an incremental strategy.

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