Run-in paragraphs?

How do I create a run-in paragraph in
7.0? Thanks!

Run-in paratags are in in the paragraph designer > Pagination > Format > Run-in heading.
If there is to be punctuation that should appear after this Tag #1 content, enter it in the box, or clear the box if there is anything in it already by default. You can also use special characters such as em space or en space or whatever by inserting FM's special character codes as backslash+letter combinations.
The following paragraph tag, whatever it will be, doesn't need any special formatting.

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How can I create "drop caps" Anchored frames tool: "Run into Paragraph" in a text document, and at the same time be able to feather the text to the bottom of the pages? I´m using FrameMaker 10.

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Presumably you are doing the DC as a single letter inside an Anchored Frame run-in from left.
Back when FM had a manual, this was the method discussed in the manual. The manual, however, also said "Framemaker does not feather text in a text frame in which text runs around graphics."
That was FM7.0. I don't know if FM has enhanced DC or feathering since then.
If I had the requirement, I might look at putting the whole lead paragraph in a borderless table.

How can i give multiple paragraph styles on the same line

i want to give different paragraph style in the same line in an indesign document. bt when i tried it, it is coming in two different line.
actually i am doing a project in which Frame maker document is transformed into indesign document. in frame maker this is possiable, but in indesign i cannot give different paragraph style in the same line of the document.
Is there any way to do this ????

YaneshTyagi wrote:
i want to give different paragraph style in the same line in an indesign document. bt when i tried it, it is coming in two different line.
actually i am doing a project in which Frame maker document is transformed into indesign document. in frame maker this is possiable, but in indesign i cannot give different paragraph style in the same line of the document.
Is there any way to do this ????
Hi, Yanesh:
Please understand, the FrameMaker feature known as a run-in paragraph, which is a paragraph with a "carriage return" but without a "line feed," HAS NO COUNTERPART in InDesign. InDesign also lacks the FrameMaker side heading feature, which is created by the combination of a reserved area in the text frame and the paragraph property to inhabit that area. FrameMaker separates paragraphs by using the larger of space below paragraph and space above paragraph, but InDesign separates paragraphs by adding the space below paragraph and the space above paragraph.
There are several complicated manual methods of simulating these FrameMaker properties in InDesign.
Here's a recent forum discussion of these exact issues: http://forums.adobe.com/message/3759635#3759635. The thread mentions DTP Tools' conversion tool, the MIF Filter commercial plug-in for InDesign, and discusses its shortcomings. I don't recall it mentioning in-tools.com plug-ins that can simulate side headings, like those in FrameMaker, but they don't convert FrameMaker to InDesign.
You can add your vote for InDesign's developers to include these FrameMaker features, and any others you'd like to see, here: wish.
HTH
Regards,
Peter
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How do I create a table of contents with a nested style paragraph?

I'm having difficulty figuring out how to generate my Table of Contents with a nested style. In this screen shot, "SPECIAL EVENTS" is considered level one and the pink circled "Fittest Firm Challenge" is level 2. Because it is a nested style, it is picking up the entire paragraph. I don't want to put in a paragraph break because that would add too much space in the magazine since there are a lot of other listings like this. I've tried reading through other people's discussions but I'm totally lost with the explanations. Is there a simple workaround or solution to this?

apricotanna wrote:
I'm having difficulty figuring out how to generate my Table of Contents with a nested style. In this screen shot, "SPECIAL EVENTS" is considered level one and the pink circled "Fittest Firm Challenge" is level 2. Because it is a nested style, it is picking up the entire paragraph. I don't want to put in a paragraph break because that would add too much space in the magazine since there are a lot of other listings like this. I've tried reading through other people's discussions but I'm totally lost with the explanations. Is there a simple workaround or solution to this?
You're asking InDesign to do something it's not designed to do, namely, to treat a nested-style section of a paragraph as an independent paragraph. That's called a "run-in paragraph" in Adobe FrameMaker, and it's been a beloved feature there since FrameMaker was introduced in '89, about ten years before InDesign.
You can make a formal feature enhancement request here: Wishform Many InDesign features have come into being from user requests, so lend your voice, and be patient. Explain why you think a run-in paragraph feature would be useful.
Others have asked about this, and there are a number of workarounds that may or may not be suitable for you. Let's hope that some of the more-intense forum folks can help you with a useful search term for this forum, so that you can review what's been suggested and tried in the past, and what results you can expect.
In the meantime, you might consider inserting the second-level heading in an inline anchored text frame in the paragraph. It will be an independent paragraph but you can adjust appear on the same line as following paragraph. Then you can extract it for the TOC.
Here's an example:
HTH
Regards,
Peter
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Link master page to paragraph style?

I'd like to have the first page of each chapter have a different master page (particularly no header with page numbers, etc.). I know how to apply a different page style, but I want the style to stay with the first page of each chapter -- even if more text is added and the document gets longer.
Any way to do this?

AlphaSmith wrote:
Peter, I'm not sure what functionality we used in the past -- it's been years now since we stopped using Frame when it was discontinued -- but I didn't have these problems before. Perhaps that's just because the book feature of Frame (chapters in their own files, very easily compiled into a book) was so easy and did just what we needed it to do. Could not get IDs book feature to work well when I tried it. Haven't been back.
I'll also try out the idea you have. Thanks for the input.
There's a faction of ex-FrameMaker-on-Mac users who are gathering signers for their petition to revive FrameMaker on Mac. Search Google for terms like "framemaker mac petition" without quotes.
FrameMaker 7.1, I believe, is the last Mac version. It ran on System 9, or a few earlier releases, and on Classic, the System 9 emulator on Tiger. Yours is the most valid reason I've seen for leaving FrameMaker - it's not on the OS you're committed to. I use Parallels on my Mac to run FrameMaker and other applications in Adobe's Technical Communications Suite which is Windows-only.
Aa Peter S. said, InDesign's book feature is a workable tool. Some folks report problems with cross-file cross-references in InDesign books. I'm not familiar whether they are more common on Windows ID or Mac, and not sure which update-level of CS4 or CS5 they affect. If you're having problems with x-refs, search Google for "InDesign cross-references across files," and similar terms without quotes, and if your issues aren't addressed in the links you find, post them here. One cross-file problem with x-refs in books that I can recall occurs in PDFs exported from InDesign; if the PDF export dialog box uses the Interactive output option, instead of the Print output option, the links in the single PDF that's created fail because the output processing goofs up the links it creates in the PDF. I've reported it as a bug. There were instances in later FrameMaker releases that had a similar problem with the Save As PDF process; fixed later, though.
One ID x-ref issue I've seen on the forum is that lots of them slow down InDesign. I believe the commercial InDesign cross-references plug-in from dtptools.com doesn't have the problem; it's also got smarter x-ref format options than either FrameMaker or InDesign.
I believe that InDesign's indexing isn't easy for FrameMaker users to grasp. It took me a while, partly because I don't do it much, and partly because it's a different mindset. Some earlier releases had bugs that soured folks on the index, but they're fixed. Search Google for terms like "InDesign index scripts" or "InDesign online free index tutorials" and similar terms without quotes for more info.
The span/split columns feature in InDesign CS5 that Peter S. mentions is like FrameMaker's straddle (across columns) paragraphs, with a bit of Word's multi-column paragraph attribute thrown in. It's still got a few annoying behaviors, but not disruptive bugs. However, InDesign totally lacks FrameMaker's true side-headings and true run-in paragraphs (a paragraph that can be followed by a paragraph that begins on the same line; IOW, a paragraph with a hard Return but no new line feed.) There are some workarounds.
HTH
Regards,
Peter
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Problem with Running Headers in CS3

The document I am working on is basically a dictionary. My running headers are <first word> to <last word> of a paragraph style. The first word is correct on every page but the last word variable displays a word that appears 14-17 (doesn't seem to be a pattern) entries into the next page. Anyone seen this or have any ideas? Let me know if I can give more info. Thanks!

Hi Aaron R.
"Running Header (Paragraph Style)" > Last on Page
is definitely not working: at least not in stories where the specific paragraph style is often or everywhere in use.
I reported it yesterday as a bug.
I discovered yet some kind of rule:
(1) The more paragraphs are formatted with the header-giving format, the sooner InDesign is capitulating.
(2) If the last paragraph of a page is NOT formatted with the style for the running header then sometimes ID is working correctly.
(3) In a german forum it is reported that using (Character Style) does the job. I experienced this too, but in the same document later on also this "solution" did not work anymore.
So: This feature is not a feature. It is only a kind declaration of intent.
Jochen

Running headers wrong after export to PDF

I am trying to use a Running Header (Paragraph Style) variable to display in the header of several sections in an InDesign file. It all works fine when viewed in InDesign. But when I export to PDF, the header in every section displays the title of the first section, not the current section. How can I fix this?

Both. I have a single file divided into three sections, call it content.indd. That file is combined with another file in a book (.indb) The problem arises when I export the book to PDF. The second and third sections derived from the content.indd file are the ones with the incorrect headers.
To be specific, in the PDF rendition, the first section header is correctly "Section 1: Overview." The second and third sections are titled differently, but still show "Section 1: Overview" in the header.
Any ideas?

Can't get running header to sync across book (CS3)

I have a book with some master page items set to a Running Header (Paragraph Style) text variable, say, "<document title>". This works fine for all of the pages after the first one in which it's defined... but only in the first document in a book.<br /><br />I've set that document to be the style source for the book, and synchronized all the documents. I even made sure that "text variables" is checked off in the synchronize options.<br /><br />In CS3, do Running Headers not propagate throughout a book?

No. The text variables are, but their actual value is not.
If you have, say, the title of your book in a running header, you will have to put it on one of your master pages and use that instead.
Another trick (warning: a dirty one) is to put the text for the running header in "invisble" text, somewhere on your first page. Set its size to 0.1pt, leading to 0pt, and color to "None". A bit harder to edit than a master page, though.

Help producing text and image next to each other in output.

Hi,
I've been trying to produce a PDF and HTML version of a Highlights for Users section using FM and RH in TCS3. All of our documentation is produced in Framemaker and RH is used to produce the WebHelp output. What I would like to have is text left-justified next to an image, separated by a company-coloured line for each highlight, then same again for each highlight.
I have tried importing images into FM which are right-justified and run into paragraph, and I could probably fiddle this just for the PDF using carriage returns but I cannot get a decent RH WebHelp output.
I/m completely inexperienced in trying to produce fancier type of output and until now have only ever had to import screenshots with figure caption with text before and after. If the above is badly explained this is what I would like to see in both PDF and WedHelp
Main Heading
What a fantastic               Image
feature we've                    Same Image
produced                         Same image
What another                   Image2
great feature                    Same Image2
we've produced               Same image2
Any help much appreciated.
Best wishes,
Karen

Hi Jeff,
I'll try that. Would I then have to have an image restricted to the size of the Table? At the moment I restrict
the image size in PDF to the width of the page, but allow full-size images in the WebHelp output. I like this
scenario as I think that more people use the html, but from user surveys PDFs are needed for printing out.
Many thanks for your help.
Best wishes,
Karen

How to create 2-page parallel autoconnected flow tags...

FM10 (from TCS3), unstructured. Advanced user.
I want to create a chapter template with two flows that appear on either the left pages (only) or the right pages (only).
Currently, we have a number of conditional text content identifying audience-specific material. I am trying to set up a bilingual template with left pages French and right pages English (20% smaller text frame). We may use a text inset for English, and a text paste for French (to enable some fine-tuning page break adjustments.). At publish time, which will be fairly frequent for multiple reviews, I want to use a build expression in the conditional text to only show the audience-specific content... and, thus, the page range will vary and blank pages need to be removed. Ideally, I'd like to just re-generate the TOC etc., and print.
I tried to do a custom layout by connecting text frames manually, but it is too labor intensive.
I also tried a little trick by setting up L/R default master pages with a very, very small text frame on opposite pages (i.e., so the text flow would "jump" from the tiny text frame over to the correct page), but FrameMaker insists on keeping at least one character in the little text frame. Grrr.
Looking for something more automatic.
Any ideas?
Thanks.

PeterPuck1 wrote:
Thanks for the idea, but no luck.
I tried the graphic on the body page and the master page. I even tried embedding it in a anchored frame (Run into Paragraph and other flavors). The text would either seem to ignore these settings or just move a specified distance away from the graphic (Runaround properties) ... but always remained "linked" to the text box and hovered outside.
The image below shows the small border of the teeny-weeny text box in the upper left corner with some text extending beyond the text frame (the main text frame can just be seen in the lower right).
So far, my workaround involves overrides (ugh) on some paragraph styles to Start at Top of Left Page or Start at Top of Right Page. Not ideal, but works OK for now.
Back to the grind...
Thanks for the example. Sorry to hear it's still not "fixed" back to earlier behavior. Please file a bug report/feature enhancement request here: Wishform
More thoughts, all untested, until you test:
* If your formats don't need hyphenation, turn it off for all text formats; perhaps this might fool the system.
* Try a new layout approach, something like creating the two-page spread as a single page, and using side heading paragraph formats for the left-hand page content, and "in-column" formats for the right-hand content. Apply French and English conditions appropriately, using find/replace. One problem here is that FrameMaker can't have two different page numbers on one page; in this case, it could be useful if your parallel texts are page-numbered identically. For example, page 10 French and page 10 English are both on the same spread, the current page-number system variable on each "page" is what you want. This synchronization might help during reviews. Hide one or the other language condition. Apply a different master page that uses a standard layout. NOTE: Side heading paragraphs don't break across text frame or column boundaries.
* Find someone who can script connecting left-page text frames.
HTH
Regards,
Peter
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Is there a way to create a custom inline tag or label in a FrameMaker document?

I am trying to draft a requirements document that has an inline tag offset by brackets for every requirement listed. I would then like to generate a table of contents to keep track of the locations of these tags within the document. (I know tag and bookmark are not the correct terms for this, but I can't think of a better one)
The format should be something like this:
The software package shall [SRD_XXXX] be verified by the operator.
Where the "SRD_" is the label and "XXXX" is an auto-incrementing numeric value assigned to this requirement.

> ... numbering to be 4 characters with leading zeroes, as it's
> a standardized format. What hack would I have to use to do that?
Search this forum on "leading zeros", for, example:
Has anyone worked with US MIL-STD doc, and successfully generated page numbers in TOC?
There are two approaches that I know of, both touched on in that old thread:
Zeroes as tab leaders (trickier to set up, easier to maintain)
Literal leading zeroes in a small suite of autonumbers (easier to set up, trickier to maintain)
You'd have separate formats for SRD-000x, SRD-00xx, SRD-0xxx and SRD-xxxx and would need to
mind break-points so you avoid things like SRD-00010 (extra digits).
... unless Adobe has added something to AN formatting since FM9 that I don't know about.
> one reason I wanted to make them auto-incrementing was so I could add
> some in between existing instances as necessary without having to renumber everything after.
As isolated paras either in the main narrative or on reference pages, you can get this. Using cross-references is just a variation on the now-documented EndNote hack. As with EndNotes, the main risk is if you move the main narrative Xref, as it will then be out of order.
But you can have in-narrative "isolated" paragraphs that look like words in the middle of a para, by using Run-In paragraph formats. In a para that looks like:
The software package shall [SRD_XXXX] be verified by the operator
would actually be three paragraphs run together.
"The software package shall" is format, say, Body.Lead, Pagination <*> Run-In Head -- Default Punc {space}{left-bracket}
"SRD_XXXX" is format, say, SRD, Pagination <*> Run-In Head -- Default Punc {right-bracket}{space}
"be verified by the operator." is just normal Body
Para format SRD would have whatever auto-number scheme you decide on.

Is it possible to applescript the saving of a message to RTF in Mail.app?

I'm fiddling with a script that takes selected messages in Mail.app and, among other things, saves the messages as RTF files. The "Save As..." option in the File menu has the ability to save as the RTF type, but I can't seem to get this done in applescript with the "save" command. I've tried passing it a window object from the message viewer, but it just barfs. Does anyone know if Mail.app can be scripted to save a message to an RTF file (with a file name/path supplied via the AS program)?
Thanks in advance for your help.
P.S. I've tried circumventing this problem by trying to assemble a text document from the email message parts (subject, sender, contents, etc.) using TextEdit, with no success with formatting, but I'd rather get Mail to do it because it already formats the saved email nicely if you do it interactively in the "Save As..." dialog.

Just to make my question a little less abstract, here is the script as it stands so far:
(* START SCRIPT *)
tell application "Mail"
activate
set selectedMessages to the selected messages of front message viewer
set saveFolder to choose folder with prompt "Please pick an empty folder for me to store the email information:"
tell application "Finder"
set parentFolder to folder saveFolder
set parentFolderPath to parentFolder as Unicode text
end tell
repeat with aMessage in selectedMessages
properties of aMessage
set messageSender to sender of aMessage
set messageSubject to subject of aMessage
set messageSent to date sent of aMessage as string
set messageContent to content of aMessage
if (messageSender is "[email protected]") and (messageSubject begins with "manuscript #") then
-- Get thingie number from message subject after '#'
set oldDelimiter to my SwitchDelimiterTo({"#"})
set manuscriptNumber to last text item of messageSubject
my SwitchDelimiterTo(oldDelimiter)
log "NOTE: Email for manuscript #" & manuscriptNumber
-- Make the folder in which to store the stuff for this manuscript;
-- variable "manuscriptFolder" will point to place to store files
tell application "Finder"
try --ignore problems with folder creation, like existing folders/files
set manuscriptFolder to make new folder in parentFolder with properties {name:manuscriptNumber}
on error errorName number errorNumber
if errorNumber is -48 then -- Folder already exists
log "NOTE: folder " & parentFolderPath & manuscriptNumber & " already exists."
set manuscriptFolder to folder manuscriptNumber in parentFolder
end if
end try
end tell
set manuscriptFolderPath to manuscriptFolder as Unicode text
set messageFileName to manuscriptFolderPath & "email.rtf"
log "NOTE: Saving manuscript to file: " & messageFileName
-- Use TextEdit to construct an RTF file of the message to print out later
tell application "TextEdit"
activate
close every document saving no
-- Assemble the document
set docText to "Date:" & tab & messageSent & return
set docText to docText & "Subject:" & tab & messageSubject & return & return
set docText to docText & messageContent & return
log "DOCTEXT: " & docText
set aDocument to make new document at beginning of documents
set text of the front document to docText
-- Save the document as an RTF in the messageFileName
tell front document
save in messageFileName as "RTF "
end tell
end tell
else
log "Message from \"" & messageSender & "\" with subject \"" & messageSubject & "\" will not be processed."
end if
end repeat
end tell
-- Change the text item delimiter and return the existing ones
on SwitchDelimiterTo(delimiterList)
local x
set x to (get AppleScript's text item delimiters)
set AppleScript's text item delimiters to delimiterList
return x
end SwitchDelimiterTo
(* END SCRIPT *)
It successfully walks throught the selected messages, picks out the "right" ones (from a particular address and with a particular subject), makes a folder to store some information about the email, has TextEdit assemble a document from the email's text and has TextEdit save the text file.
It's my kludgey work-around for not being able to either 1) print to a PDF file in Mail.app or 2) have Mail.app save the message itself as an RTF. It would be the bee's knees to get either 1 or 2 working, but I'd settle for figuring out how to format the text in TextEdit more nicely. I'd like to get the strings "Subject:" and "Date:" bold-faced for starters, but I have no way of knowing how to tell TextEdit to do it via AS.
My first try was to try to "make new text" with certain font and size properties at the end of the "texts", but that was a flop. I tried the same thing with "attribute runs" and "paragraphs" with no joy. It seems that the only way to get text into a document is to assign it to the "document"'s "text" property. But then I'm left to wonder how to select bits of it to change the bits appearances (fonts and sizes).
I've been fiddling with AS and automating Mail.app and TextEdit.app for days now, and it's just as perplexing as when I started. Any insite that you folks monitoring this discussion group would be greatly appreciated. The flotsam of script examples I've dredged up with Google haven't been enlightening. I've got a copy of O'Reilly's _AppleScript - The Definitive Guide_, and it's been a tiny bit of help, but I'm drifting.
Thanks in advance for reading.

Get a query in htlm form

I am creating a document where the content is extracted from
a query created from the content of a MSSQL database.
Each datarecord is the content of the document. The problem I
am facing is that the data fields are returned as pure text
records. When CF renders the document, the query returns text
contents eliminates all the returns spaces and paragraph format.
When the content of the return record is a document section
with several paragraphs, the resulting query returns all the text
together but without the text return spaces and all the paragraph
are run together.
You can see what I see in
http://www.spccwriter.com
userid: test pasw:123 hit Get SPCC . The document pw is: test
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together suppresing the return to separate a paragraph from another
(Like in section 112.2 Definitions).
Any hint how to do this correctly? I am not sure if the trick
resides in the CF coding or in the cfquery Database formating
parameters.

I am trying to use the example from Adobe DOC
<h3>ParagraphFormat Example</h3>
<p>Enter text into this textarea, and see it returned
as HTML.
<cfif IsDefined("FORM.myTextArea")>
<p>Your text area, formatted
<p><cfoutput>#ParagraphFormat(FORM.myTextArea)#</cfoutput>
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<form action = "paragraphformat.cfm">
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This is sample text and you see how it scrolls
<cfoutput>#Chr(10)##Chr(13)#</cfoutput>
From one line
<cfoutput>#Chr(10)##Chr(13)##Chr(10)##Chr(13)#</cfoutput>
to the next
</textArea>
<input type = "Submit" name = "Show me the HTML
version">
</form>
Tis sample returns nothing. Has anyone tried this?

Time Machine Picture Library size is 2GB smaller in backup than computer disc.

Time Machine Picture Library size is 2GB smaller in backup than computer disc using Cmd I (Eye, not EL—don't we all love sans serif fonts as default) for both info.
Ah, this is readable at faster reading speeds.
Now ( oops the return key killed the font setting).
Now, we'll use run-on paragraphs. OK? ¶ On topic: I need more space to install a newer iOS on my iPhone. ¶ Someone at Apple Store Genius Bar advised deleting the album of pictures originally copied from my computer when I had vast memory space since it is already on the computer. Got 1GB About to say Available was still too low for the new iOS install. ¶ Another Apple Store Genius Bar advised making a good backup using TimeMachine on my computer and deleting all the pictures from my iPhone by the painful method of selecting each collection. ¶ So I thought I'd check how successful the backup was. Cmd I (doesn't look like El, yea!) on the Picture Library was 38 GB on my back up disc and 40 GB on my computer disc. ¶ Desktop folder is 87.1 MB (87,091,206 bytes) in both. How do I get the other 2 GB on the backup?

Time Machine Picture Library size is 2GB smaller in backup than computer disc using Cmd I (Eye, not EL—don't we all love sans serif fonts as default) for both info.
Ah, this is readable at faster reading speeds.
Now ( oops the return key killed the font setting).
Now, we'll use run-on paragraphs. OK? ¶ On topic: I need more space to install a newer iOS on my iPhone. ¶ Someone at Apple Store Genius Bar advised deleting the album of pictures originally copied from my computer when I had vast memory space since it is already on the computer. Got 1GB About to say Available was still too low for the new iOS install. ¶ Another Apple Store Genius Bar advised making a good backup using TimeMachine on my computer and deleting all the pictures from my iPhone by the painful method of selecting each collection. ¶ So I thought I'd check how successful the backup was. Cmd I (doesn't look like El, yea!) on the Picture Library was 38 GB on my back up disc and 40 GB on my computer disc. ¶ Desktop folder is 87.1 MB (87,091,206 bytes) in both. How do I get the other 2 GB on the backup?

How to apply different 'headers' to different sections of a document?

I realise that 'headers' may not be the correct term but... is it possible to apply a series of different 'headers' to different sections in a single document?
In the example where a single document consists of three 'chapters' (say, 10-15 pages each) I'd like to have a 'header' that reads: "This is the first part" at the top of all chapter one pages, "This is the second part" at the top of all chapter two pages and "This is the third part" at the top of all chapter three pages (etc).
I thought this might be possible using a series of master pages but have no idea whether that would work or how to go about it so any clues would be most appreciated - am using latest release of ID (CS6) on Windows 7.

Well you don't need different master pages.
You go to the single master page and go to
Type>Text Variables>Define
Click the pre-exisiting Running Header and click "edit"
Select "Running Header Paragraph Style"
Style: <select the style of the chapter heading> (if you don't have styles applied to your chapter headings then you need to apply a style to them so they show up)
Say Ok
On the Master Page - insert a text frame in the desired location.
With the Text Indicatior in the text frame - you can choose Type>Text Variable>Insert and choose the Running Head variable you just created.
That will do it.

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