Score editor: Two staves instruments, etc.

Hi,
I' m having several problems when i write for instruments that have two staves (piano, harp,etc.)
I' ll try to explain:
A) When i write a chord, for example and the notes have the same length, i have no problem but when i have a chord and i try to add on top of it notes with different values, they don' t appear. Sometimes i manage to do what i want, but i have to add independent notes (which i cannot beam)
B) I have the division at C3, most of the time, this is convenient but when it is not, the staff above voice assignment doesn' t work.
C) I can't find the arpeggio sign WITHOUT an arrow in the end.
Thanks.
K.

A) turn off no overlap.
B) voice assignment only works in polyphonic styles. a split at c3 means that all your notes are of the same voice - they ahve just been split across 2 staves. use a polyphonic score style and you will achieve what you want.
C) its there right next to the arrowed ones.
D) read the manual. better still, keep it in the loo for reading material. refering to it as you work will generally solve these problems.

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Thank you for your time guys, have a nice day.

a quick crash course:
the score editor is the easiest part of logic to master provided, 1) you are musically literate, and 2) you understand some very simple core concepts.
but before that just to get you going (look up any terms i use):
1. you need to make sure that content catch (the link button) is grey. if you still don't see your full score then click the arrow next to it.
2. as matter of simplicity, it is easier if you name your audio object (now called control strip) the name of the instrument you want to have appear as the name in your score.
3. you need to look in view/page display options/ and select show margins. then you can see where you have to drag your title to.
the core concepts:
*instrument sets and staff styles.*
the instrument set displays your score, section and parts. set a KC (key command) for 'create instrument set from selection.' now, when you have the staves highlighted in the All Instruments view, it will make a score out of your selected instruments. imagine you had a string quartet and some midi instruments. you only want to display the string quartet as a score, so you select those staves and hit the KC. now you will have a score only of the strong quartet.
this goes further...you can then edit sections of a full orchestra...and finally you should make an instrument set for each part you want to print. ie if you were printing the clarinet part it would be a set with just the clarinet in it.
the reason for this is that instrument sets can be formatted independently of one another. and this is why you couldn't edit the the All Instruments set. you have to make an instrument set first.
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final core concept - MIDI.
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here are the KC's you absolutely need to have for work in the score editor:
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Is it possible to change the length of a note in the score editor?

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dhjdhj wrote:
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deb1806 wrote:
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Since representation of MIDI nots are is visually quantized in the Score window, the best solution is IMO to have both a score and a piano roll window open at the same time when you edit note lengths in Logic. At least if you want accurate edits.
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http://www.studio-central.com/images/notate2.gif

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iii) If you are using a midi keyboard to input the notes, then you need to set up key commands that would make the SPL move by the right increments, ie shift SPL a quaver, a crotchet etc.. and become familiar with the Key Command that shifts the SPL etc
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I know there are many sibelius users here (due to the sometimes limited score editor in logic) so that is why i am asking the following:
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It should work OK.. A couple of years ago, I exported some Logic midi files into Finale without a problem.
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