SCSI HD's

Running a Beige G3 333 MT; RevC; 512MB; ATTO PSC PCI Express; Radeon7000ME; USB/Firewire combo.
My Quantum Viking II 9G died. I began shopping Ebay.
There are descriptions like, 'hot swapable' and 'IDE/SCSI interface'.
How can a drive be both IDE and SCSI? Is this a PC thang? How can one 'hot swap' a SCSI drive? I thought one should always connect/disconnect SCSI devices with the computer turned off. Again, PC stuff?
I believe almost any IDE drive will work in a Mac, but will almost any SCSI drive work?
EG, What are the differences between the Viking and Atlas models? IBMs? Seagates?
I purposely limit expenditures on my Beige and prefer not to spend big bucks on a new, large capacity SCSI HD. (Of course I'll pay the going rate for IDE drives since they can be used in the G4 also.)
Thanks in advance for any thoughts on buying SCSI drives!

"Hot Swap" SCSI drives have a special 80-pin SCA -- Single Connector Attachment -- connector that provides both power and data in a way that allows the drives can be installed and removed with the power on. On installation, the pins for ground make first, then power, then data; on removal, the reverse. The SCSI ID and a few options are set by straps on the backplane or paddleboard, not on the drive. So that as the drive is inserted, it takes on the ID of the slot into which it is inserted.
These drives are intended to be installed in a cabinet with a backplane or with a paddleboard that offers a 68-pin connector and a 4-pin Molex power connector and the straps. They should NEVER be used with anything claiming to be an SCA cable. If you are handy, you can buy the paddleboards to convert a single drive, provided you follow the rule: "Only one cheat per drive." If that cheat is a paddleboard, do not also try to also use a 68-50 wide to narrow converter on the same drive. You used up your cheat with the paddleboard.
"Hot swap" drives of modest sizes are cheap on the used market, because the High-End users who bought them originally have gone on to bigger and better drives, and because there is a little extra complexity and another part to buy to get them to work.
Here are pictures and description from a reputable seller:
http://mcpb.com/html/sca.f80hp.68f.html
The top picture shows the 4-pin power connector, the 68-pin Wide data connector, and the straps. The bottom picture shows the other side, with the 80-pin SCA connector for the drive itself.

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local/sdparm 1.08-1
An utility similar to hdparm but for SCSI devices
local/sg3_utils 1.39-1
Generic SCSI utilities
local/smartmontools 6.3-1
Control and monitor S.M.A.R.T. enabled ATA and SCSI Hard Drives
local/vhba-module 20140629-9
Kernel module that emulates SCSI devices
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SG_IO: bad/missing sense data, sb[]: 70 00 05 00 00 00 00 0a 00 00 00 00 24 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
multcount = 0 (off)
readonly = 0 (off)
readahead = 256 (on)
geometry = 1024/0/62, sectors = 0, start = 0
sudo hdparm -z /dev/sdd
/dev/sdd:
re-reading partition table
sudo sdparm /dev/sdd
/dev/sdd: Generic Mass-Storage 1.11
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lsusb -v
Bus 002 Device 002: ID 8087:8000 Intel Corp.
Device Descriptor:
bLength 18
bDescriptorType 1
bcdUSB 2.00
bDeviceClass 9 Hub
bDeviceSubClass 0 Unused
bDeviceProtocol 1 Single TT
bMaxPacketSize0 64
idVendor 0x8087 Intel Corp.
idProduct 0x8000
bcdDevice 0.04
iManufacturer 0
iProduct 0
iSerial 0
bNumConfigurations 1
Configuration Descriptor:
bLength 9
bDescriptorType 2
wTotalLength 25
bNumInterfaces 1
bConfigurationValue 1
iConfiguration 0
bmAttributes 0xe0
Self Powered
Remote Wakeup
MaxPower 0mA
Interface Descriptor:
bLength 9
bDescriptorType 4
bInterfaceNumber 0
bAlternateSetting 0
bNumEndpoints 1
bInterfaceClass 9 Hub
bInterfaceSubClass 0 Unused
bInterfaceProtocol 0 Full speed (or root) hub
iInterface 0
Endpoint Descriptor:
bLength 7
bDescriptorType 5
bEndpointAddress 0x81 EP 1 IN
bmAttributes 3
Transfer Type Interrupt
Synch Type None
Usage Type Data
wMaxPacketSize 0x0002 1x 2 bytes
bInterval 12
Hub Descriptor:
bLength 11
bDescriptorType 41
nNbrPorts 8
wHubCharacteristic 0x0009
Per-port power switching
Per-port overcurrent protection
TT think time 8 FS bits
bPwrOn2PwrGood 0 * 2 milli seconds
bHubContrCurrent 0 milli Ampere
DeviceRemovable 0x00 0x00
PortPwrCtrlMask 0xff 0xff
Hub Port Status:
Port 1: 0000.0100 power
Port 2: 0000.0100 power
Port 3: 0000.0100 power
Port 4: 0000.0100 power
Port 5: 0000.0100 power
Port 6: 0000.0100 power
Port 7: 0000.0100 power
Port 8: 0000.0100 power
Device Qualifier (for other device speed):
bLength 10
bDescriptorType 6
bcdUSB 2.00
bDeviceClass 9 Hub
bDeviceSubClass 0 Unused
bDeviceProtocol 0 Full speed (or root) hub
bMaxPacketSize0 64
bNumConfigurations 1
Device Status: 0x0001
Self Powered
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Device Descriptor:
bLength 18
bDescriptorType 1
bcdUSB 2.00
bDeviceClass 9 Hub
bDeviceSubClass 0 Unused
bDeviceProtocol 0 Full speed (or root) hub
bMaxPacketSize0 64
idVendor 0x1d6b Linux Foundation
idProduct 0x0002 2.0 root hub
bcdDevice 3.17
iManufacturer 3
iProduct 2
iSerial 1
bNumConfigurations 1
Configuration Descriptor:
bLength 9
bDescriptorType 2
wTotalLength 25
bNumInterfaces 1
bConfigurationValue 1
iConfiguration 0
bmAttributes 0xe0
Self Powered
Remote Wakeup
MaxPower 0mA
Interface Descriptor:
bLength 9
bDescriptorType 4
bInterfaceNumber 0
bAlternateSetting 0
bNumEndpoints 1
bInterfaceClass 9 Hub
bInterfaceSubClass 0 Unused
bInterfaceProtocol 0 Full speed (or root) hub
iInterface 0
Endpoint Descriptor:
bLength 7
bDescriptorType 5
bEndpointAddress 0x81 EP 1 IN
bmAttributes 3
Transfer Type Interrupt
Synch Type None
Usage Type Data
wMaxPacketSize 0x0004 1x 4 bytes
bInterval 12
Bus 001 Device 002: ID 8087:8008 Intel Corp.
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bLength 18
bDescriptorType 1
bcdUSB 2.00
bDeviceClass 9 Hub
bDeviceSubClass 0 Unused
bDeviceProtocol 1 Single TT
bMaxPacketSize0 64
idVendor 0x8087 Intel Corp.
idProduct 0x8008
bcdDevice 0.04
iManufacturer 0
iProduct 0
iSerial 0
bNumConfigurations 1
Configuration Descriptor:
bLength 9
bDescriptorType 2
wTotalLength 25
bNumInterfaces 1
bConfigurationValue 1
iConfiguration 0
bmAttributes 0xe0
Self Powered
Remote Wakeup
MaxPower 0mA
Interface Descriptor:
bLength 9
bDescriptorType 4
bInterfaceNumber 0
bAlternateSetting 0
bNumEndpoints 1
bInterfaceClass 9 Hub
bInterfaceSubClass 0 Unused
bInterfaceProtocol 0 Full speed (or root) hub
iInterface 0
Endpoint Descriptor:
bLength 7
bDescriptorType 5
bEndpointAddress 0x81 EP 1 IN
bmAttributes 3
Transfer Type Interrupt
Synch Type None
Usage Type Data
wMaxPacketSize 0x0001 1x 1 bytes
bInterval 12
Hub Descriptor:
bLength 9
bDescriptorType 41
nNbrPorts 6
wHubCharacteristic 0x0009
Per-port power switching
Per-port overcurrent protection
TT think time 8 FS bits
bPwrOn2PwrGood 0 * 2 milli seconds
bHubContrCurrent 0 milli Ampere
DeviceRemovable 0x00
PortPwrCtrlMask 0xff
Hub Port Status:
Port 1: 0000.0100 power
Port 2: 0000.0100 power
Port 3: 0000.0100 power
Port 4: 0000.0100 power
Port 5: 0000.0100 power
Port 6: 0000.0100 power
Device Qualifier (for other device speed):
bLength 10
bDescriptorType 6
bcdUSB 2.00
bDeviceClass 9 Hub
bDeviceSubClass 0 Unused
bDeviceProtocol 0 Full speed (or root) hub
bMaxPacketSize0 64
bNumConfigurations 1
Device Status: 0x0001
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bLength 18
bDescriptorType 1
bcdUSB 2.00
bDeviceClass 9 Hub
bDeviceSubClass 0 Unused
bDeviceProtocol 0 Full speed (or root) hub
bMaxPacketSize0 64
idVendor 0x1d6b Linux Foundation
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iProduct 2
iSerial 1
bNumConfigurations 1
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bDescriptorType 2
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bNumInterfaces 1
bConfigurationValue 1
iConfiguration 0
bmAttributes 0xe0
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bLength 9
bDescriptorType 4
bInterfaceNumber 0
bAlternateSetting 0
bNumEndpoints 1
bInterfaceClass 9 Hub
bInterfaceSubClass 0 Unused
bInterfaceProtocol 0 Full speed (or root) hub
iInterface 0
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bLength 7
bDescriptorType 5
bEndpointAddress 0x81 EP 1 IN
bmAttributes 3
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Synch Type None
Usage Type Data
wMaxPacketSize 0x0004 1x 4 bytes
bInterval 12
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iProduct 2
iSerial 1
bNumConfigurations 1
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bLength 9
bDescriptorType 2
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bNumInterfaces 1
bConfigurationValue 1
iConfiguration 0
bmAttributes 0xe0
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Remote Wakeup
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bLength 9
bDescriptorType 4
bInterfaceNumber 0
bAlternateSetting 0
bNumEndpoints 1
bInterfaceClass 9 Hub
bInterfaceSubClass 0 Unused
bInterfaceProtocol 0 Full speed (or root) hub
iInterface 0
Endpoint Descriptor:
bLength 7
bDescriptorType 5
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bmAttributes 3
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Bus 003 Device 003: ID 093a:2510 Pixart Imaging, Inc. Optical Mouse
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bcdUSB 1.10
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bDeviceSubClass 0
bDeviceProtocol 0
bMaxPacketSize0 8
idVendor 0x093a Pixart Imaging, Inc.
idProduct 0x2510 Optical Mouse
bcdDevice 1.00
iManufacturer 1
iProduct 2
iSerial 0
bNumConfigurations 1
Configuration Descriptor:
bLength 9
bDescriptorType 2
wTotalLength 34
bNumInterfaces 1
bConfigurationValue 1
iConfiguration 0
bmAttributes 0xa0
(Bus Powered)
Remote Wakeup
MaxPower 100mA
Interface Descriptor:
bLength 9
bDescriptorType 4
bInterfaceNumber 0
bAlternateSetting 0
bNumEndpoints 1
bInterfaceClass 3 Human Interface Device
bInterfaceSubClass 1 Boot Interface Subclass
bInterfaceProtocol 2 Mouse
iInterface 0
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bLength 9
bDescriptorType 33
bcdHID 1.11
bCountryCode 0 Not supported
bNumDescriptors 1
bDescriptorType 34 Report
wDescriptorLength 52
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bLength 7
bDescriptorType 5
bEndpointAddress 0x81 EP 1 IN
bmAttributes 3
Transfer Type Interrupt
Synch Type None
Usage Type Data
wMaxPacketSize 0x0004 1x 4 bytes
bInterval 10
Bus 003 Device 005: ID 1908:0226 GEMBIRD
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bLength 18
bDescriptorType 1
bcdUSB 2.00
bDeviceClass 0 (Defined at Interface level)
bDeviceSubClass 0
bDeviceProtocol 0
bMaxPacketSize0 64
idVendor 0x1908 GEMBIRD
idProduct 0x0226
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iProduct 0
iSerial 0
bNumConfigurations 1
Configuration Descriptor:
bLength 9
bDescriptorType 2
wTotalLength 32
bNumInterfaces 1
bConfigurationValue 1
iConfiguration 0
bmAttributes 0x80
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Interface Descriptor:
bLength 9
bDescriptorType 4
bInterfaceNumber 0
bAlternateSetting 0
bNumEndpoints 2
bInterfaceClass 8 Mass Storage
bInterfaceSubClass 6 SCSI
bInterfaceProtocol 80 Bulk-Only
iInterface 0
Endpoint Descriptor:
bLength 7
bDescriptorType 5
bEndpointAddress 0x01 EP 1 OUT
bmAttributes 2
Transfer Type Bulk
Synch Type None
Usage Type Data
wMaxPacketSize 0x0200 1x 512 bytes
bInterval 0
Endpoint Descriptor:
bLength 7
bDescriptorType 5
bEndpointAddress 0x81 EP 1 IN
bmAttributes 2
Transfer Type Bulk
Synch Type None
Usage Type Data
wMaxPacketSize 0x0200 1x 512 bytes
bInterval 0
Bus 003 Device 004: ID 045e:0750 Microsoft Corp. Wired Keyboard 600
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Device Descriptor:
bLength 18
bDescriptorType 1
bcdUSB 1.10
bDeviceClass 0 (Defined at Interface level)
bDeviceSubClass 0
bDeviceProtocol 0
bMaxPacketSize0 8
idVendor 0x045e Microsoft Corp.
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bcdDevice 1.10
iManufacturer 1
iProduct 2
iSerial 0
bNumConfigurations 1
Configuration Descriptor:
bLength 9
bDescriptorType 2
wTotalLength 59
bNumInterfaces 2
bConfigurationValue 1
iConfiguration 0
bmAttributes 0xa0
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bLength 9
bDescriptorType 4
bInterfaceNumber 0
bAlternateSetting 0
bNumEndpoints 1
bInterfaceClass 3 Human Interface Device
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bLength 9
bDescriptorType 33
bcdHID 1.11
bCountryCode 0 Not supported
bNumDescriptors 1
bDescriptorType 34 Report
wDescriptorLength 65
Report Descriptors:
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Endpoint Descriptor:
bLength 7
bDescriptorType 5
bEndpointAddress 0x81 EP 1 IN
bmAttributes 3
Transfer Type Interrupt
Synch Type None
Usage Type Data
wMaxPacketSize 0x0008 1x 8 bytes
bInterval 10
Interface Descriptor:
bLength 9
bDescriptorType 4
bInterfaceNumber 1
bAlternateSetting 0
bNumEndpoints 1
bInterfaceClass 3 Human Interface Device
bInterfaceSubClass 0 No Subclass
bInterfaceProtocol 0 None
iInterface 0
HID Device Descriptor:
bLength 9
bDescriptorType 33
bcdHID 1.11
bCountryCode 0 Not supported
bNumDescriptors 1
bDescriptorType 34 Report
wDescriptorLength 106
Report Descriptors:
** UNAVAILABLE **
Endpoint Descriptor:
bLength 7
bDescriptorType 5
bEndpointAddress 0x82 EP 2 IN
bmAttributes 3
Transfer Type Interrupt
Synch Type None
Usage Type Data
wMaxPacketSize 0x0008 1x 8 bytes
bInterval 10
Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
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Device Descriptor:
bLength 18
bDescriptorType 1
bcdUSB 2.00
bDeviceClass 9 Hub
bDeviceSubClass 0 Unused
bDeviceProtocol 1 Single TT
bMaxPacketSize0 64
idVendor 0x1d6b Linux Foundation
idProduct 0x0002 2.0 root hub
bcdDevice 3.17
iManufacturer 3
iProduct 2
iSerial 1
bNumConfigurations 1
Configuration Descriptor:
bLength 9
bDescriptorType 2
wTotalLength 25
bNumInterfaces 1
bConfigurationValue 1
iConfiguration 0
bmAttributes 0xe0
Self Powered
Remote Wakeup
MaxPower 0mA
Interface Descriptor:
bLength 9
bDescriptorType 4
bInterfaceNumber 0
bAlternateSetting 0
bNumEndpoints 1
bInterfaceClass 9 Hub
bInterfaceSubClass 0 Unused
bInterfaceProtocol 0 Full speed (or root) hub
iInterface 0
Endpoint Descriptor:
bLength 7
bDescriptorType 5
bEndpointAddress 0x81 EP 1 IN
bmAttributes 3
Transfer Type Interrupt
Synch Type None
Usage Type Data
wMaxPacketSize 0x0004 1x 4 bytes
bInterval 12
uname -r
3.17.1-1-ARCH
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Last edited by Proinsias (2014-10-25 23:15:08)

Try udev. Is your reader OK? Is the card recongized - does it show in dmesg?
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Well, I can confirm that that worked, however it was not as intuitive as it should have been, and can easily be overlooked.
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Hi Richard;
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I think I should have asked for guidance here first but...
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I have my old original Scsi card installed (Adaptec 2906), and it does work under 10.4.11 (my alternate/back-up system). I installed just "Adaptec78XXSCSI.kext" in the system/library/extensions folder and as long as I start my scanner before I boot into 10.4 everything seems to work just fine.
It's a bit of a pain to have to switch systems whenever I need to scan something, but I can live with it.
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In the end, things have worked out reasonably well. I have the use of my old reliable Agfa Scanner (Vuescan is great!), and my old Powermac 8500 is still functional enough for me to recover all my ancient tape archives.
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Allan,
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Actually, this is a question that concerns the G5 and the G4 forum, but I decided to post it here first.
So, I have this old G4/400 PCI with an Adaptec 2930 SCSI card that I use for scanning slides with an Artix 4000t sclide scanner; this works fine, but the G4 is rather slow when it comes to using some features of the scanning software, such as removing scratches.
I've been thinking about buying a SCSI card for my G5 (Dual 1.8) for some time now, but I'm not sure what card I should go for; I'm not even sure if there are still cards for such an "old" device as the slide scanner (about 3 to 4 years old, no Ultrawide or something like that). And then there's the problem of the drivers for the card - how long will they be available, especially now that Apple is switching to Intel...?
The other possibility would be to buy a processor upgrade for the G4. I've seen some at OWC, and they seem to be less expensive than a SCSI card. The drawback of this solution is of course that I'll have to keep the G4 standing on my desk... on the other hand, I do know that the scanner will work perfectly with the G4.
The G5, on the other hand... it will be faster and easier, since I won't have to transfer the files for storage and editing, I could free some space on my desk,... but will it work? The G5 is running 10.4, I'm not sure if my current scanner driver is compatible... and what when 10.5 comes out...?
So I'm looking for a second, third, fourth... opinion:
What would you do? Get a SCSI card for the G5 or a processor upgrade for the G4? What SCSI card would you recommend?
TIA,
Tina

I've done some research on G5 and SCSI and scanners, and obviously, what I remembered was correct... making it work seems at least tricky, and maybe expensive too (if you've got to buy new scanning software and and..).
So I guess that's decided: No SCSI on the G5. Leaves the question, should I buy a processor upgrade card for the G4? Getting some dual G4 on eBay might be an option, but then, that would be another computer in my already crammed office, and I just can't throw the G4 away, it's one of the very first models...
I came by the idea of a processor upgrade because I just played around with an old Mac SE, which has an 68030 accelerator card installed, and this seems to work fine. Anyone has any experience with G3 /G4 upgrades (good or bad)?
Smokerz: Why would you not recommend an upgrade? Any bad experiences?
Tina

SUN Blade 2000 giving FATAL SCSI Error while booting from CDROM

Hi,
SUN Blade 2000 system giving "FATAL SCSI Error at Script address 110 SCSI parity Error Arbitration Complete" while trying to boot from CDROM.
Thanks in advance.
Bye
vijay

Hi,
SUN Blade 2000 system giving "FATAL SCSI Error at Script address 110 SCSI parity Error Arbitration Complete" while trying to boot from CDROM.
Thanks in advance.
Bye
vijay

USB Device no longer recognized (Ratoc U2SCXU SCSI Converter)

I'm having problems with a device that used to work fine in an older MacOS (10.5, Leopard) but no longer being recognized in Lion. The Ratoc Systems International SCSI COnverter model U2SCXU is no longer visible in System Information, their Utility, nor the scanning software (VueScan). This set up used to work seamlessly in previous OS's.
The Ratoc device is being powered through the SCSI connection and lights the power light no problem. No matter wherther through a hub or direct, the USB is no recognized nor is the software. I tried to email the manufacturer but in the meantime thought to post this as a question while waiting... Does anyone have a similar problem?
Using with a Polaroid SprintScan4000 negative scanner. This device and the converter were all running and playing happily in OS X 10.5. There seems to be nothing I can do to make the device appear in the window, nor be recognized in software. Also tried with laptop running the same OS. I believe this is a software issue with the OS. There is a firmware update that might be able to be applied via the Utility software (U2SCXU_50) from Ratoc website, except that the Utility doesn't see this unit either.

Make sure it's the right series usb 3 driver, series 7 or series 8. Series 7 drivers are version 1.x and series 8 are version 2.x. They use the same device id's.

B&W G3/450/built-in SCSI

I installed 10.3 on the original SCSI drives of two B&W towers. The install went smoothly, but on startup I now get the grey forbidden (circle w/slash) symbol. The firmware seems to be v1.1; I downloaded the v1.2 file and tried to install under 9.2.2, but the installer reported no device available to update. What do I need to do here to get this disk to run?
Also: I attached an 80GB ATA drive to one of these and installed 10.3.9; neither machine will recognize it as a startup disk, even with the PCI SCSI card removed. I'd like to swap out the 4 GB SCSI drive in one machine for this. Suggestions?

Sure, you can put that processor in a Beige. But it will run at the speed of your old processor until you change the speed jumpers on the board (and moving the jumper block from the Blue & White will not help, the pin assignments are different. check xlr8yourmac for jumper settings. I must warn you -- removing the sticker over them will VOID YOUR WARRANTY!
It has a larger Heatsink because it needs more heat dissipation. You will need to provide more heat dissipation by some method. There is not a lot of extra headroom in the desktop chassis, a bit more in the MiniTower, and Tons in the All-in-One.
Any memory issues from switching system bus?
Yes. the stock RAM memories from the beige are rated PC-66 (for a 66 MHz Bus). Speeding them up puts them out of spec. If they fail running faster, no one will be surprised. The RAM from the Blue & White is identical in every regard, except it is rated PC-100, so it can be run faster without penalty.
The Grackle memory controller is rated for 66 MHz, but your particular chip may run a little faster, or may not. It depends on your particular chip.
Most PCI cards get a little weird if you try to run them faster than the standard speed.

B/W G3 SCSI card problem

Hi all,
I have a rev. 1 B&W G3. Its 400 mhz and has 1gb of RAM and the stock ATI Rage. This machine came from the factory with an Ultra SCSI II card and a 9 GB SCSI II HD. About a year or so ago the HD died and I tryed to replace it with a cheap IDE Hard Drive, but then found out the hard way that i had the rev. 1 motherboard. So the machine has since been sitting on the floor looking cool with its translucent white/ blue casing, but not running. I've been using my beige 266 for a while now, but I want to get that B&W running again, as it is faster/more expandable/cooler looking. I have come across an orange micro grappler 2 906f SCSI card. It is for old style SCSI devices but it will run them fast. It says it is system bootable and recomended for the B&W G3. I installed 3 GB & 4 GB quantum SCSI drives onto the card. I installed 9.2 on the 3 GB and all booted up nicely. I attempted to install 10.3 but when I booted off the CD it said there were no hard drives there, even in disk utility all that comes up in the side panel is the CD. I then booted off the IDE drive I had got a while back witch has 10.3.9 on it (suffers data corruption) and it did not see the drives either. I opened system profiler and it said there were no drives under SCSI and no card installed in the PCI slot when there was. I booted off of 10.0, 10.2, and 10.3 retail CD's and none of them saw the drives. I dont understand this as everything works perfectly under OS 9.2, even when booting off the OS 9 CD.
Can anyone help me out here?
Thanks,
Allen

Here is a link to the firmware update for that card. The article was originally written when 8.6 was the latest OS available -- you CAN run the firmware update running from a writeable OS 9 (perhaps not from an OS 9 CD), but not under Mac OS X.
60409- Ultra SCSI Card 1.2 Firmware Update: Document and Software
The 68-pin cable that shipped with the Apple/Adaptec card should have a discrete terminator captured at the end of the cable. It is non-trivially large, and cannot hide inside a regular connector.
An adapter such as this one will adapt a 50-pin drive to your 68-pin cable:
http://www.mcpb.com/html/adp.fhd68.50f.html

V20z:upgraded bios for dual-core support, lsi SCSI no longer works.

I upgraded the firmware of my v20z to latest available(2.4.0.14) to gain support for some AMD 275 processors. Prior to upgrade system was running w2k3 server and XP fine.
After upgrading the bios/processors the boot process stops when initializing the scsi controller, or if the disks are removed, when looking for OS. Boot from the diagnostic CD works fine, if no drives are installed. Dianostic CD hangs with a scsi bus error otherwise.
The problem seems to be that the onboard LSI SCSI controller does not configure the single installed drive correctly. When I attempt to change settings in the controller bios, I receive a message "Unable to save non volatile settings". Changing out drive for a newer drive causes no change. Downgrading to other available BIOS revisions causes no changes.
any suggestions????

well it is almost the original state--I can't find the original bios for download. I also checked if LSI had a bios that I can flash to the adapter, and while they do, the flash procedure doesn't work. Probably because this is an integrated, and not standalone chip.
I do get the bios prompts, etc. I can go in and make changes, but I can't seem to make them save. I get "unable to save non-volatile settings".
I think I will check through the docs some more, and look for the download site for older bios

I need to access (Ultra) scsi-2 drives but the card is dead. Is there an adapter/converter out there somewhere like my IDE to USB for this? Any other suggestions appreciated.

I need to access (Ultra) scsi-2 68 pin drives but the card is dead. Is there an adapter/converter out there somewhere like my IDE to USB for this? Any other suggestions appreciated.

Might be hard to find, but long ago there were a couple of Firewire<->SCSI adapters, if you have USB2 those might be available also...
http://www.ratocsystems.com/english/products/FR1SX.html
http://www.ratocsystems.com/english/products/U2SCX.html
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_sacat=0&_nkw=scsi+to+firewire&_frs=1
I think Belkin made one also.
Might be far cheaper to buy an old Mac or even PC with SCSI.

Dear Community, how can I connect SCSI tape recorder via USB to iMac ? Is there any adapter/converter on the market now ? Cheers, Marek

Dear Community,
how can I connect SCSI tape recorder via USB to iMac ?
Is there any adapter/converter on the market now ?
Cheers, Marek

Thanks Jan.
Actually the reason to use Quantum SCSI tape recorder is to back-up big amount of data (propriety movies footage) both on PC (what is quite easy, using SCSII host adapter with VHDCI 68 connector) and iMac what seems to be not easy. All my search by Google leads to that conclussion, they finished production of SCSI-to-USB or FireWire because somebody stopped to produce chips to covert protocols. So even buying noe second-hand adapter, no guaranty it's still working with Lion (nobody is developing drivers anymore). Strange is, nobody or just a few are using SCSII (Ultra 320) devices (while the transfer is not bad, 320 MBps what is 2560 Mbps, so the only limitation is tape recording (some 80 MBps) not an interface. Using compression mode I can (and I do) record 1,6 TB of footage data. However quite slow, is safe and cheap, comparing with any HD storage solution. USB 2 is much more limited.
I'm using Time Capsule for buck-up. But even 3 TB one day will be full of data, then old back-ups will be eaten by new once, what is not good idea for archives. I'm using another 2TB NAS HD (2x2TB RAID 1), but this is also going to be full soon.
Of course, you are right, the option is another machine (OSX,Win,Linux or Solaris) equipped with SCSII controller. But this requires another machine, just for back-up time to time, and in practice iMac folders must be shared with that small auxiliary machine because amount of data practically excluding even temporary data collection on auxiliary machine. And it must be transfer by wire, not WIFI, my only network. Tape recording is in my case really good, professional solution, isn't it?
Anyway, if somebody has similar requirements as me, and found the solution for SCSI, please let me know. So far, follow Jan's idea, I'm thinking about some embeded mini PC, fanless, equipped with slot for SCSI, with SOME smart system on-board, to deal with iMac for type recording. The option is previous Apple model, but to be honest, I became Mac/OSX user 4 years ago. I fell in love with Mac, but my knowledge about previous models is based on Google....
My desk becomes full of boxes. Do you know how big Quantum TC-L42BX is ? Is very big. And now another box.....another keyboard....another screen... And one small adapter could solve the problem. Eh....
Best regards,
Marek

Windows 2008 Server Enterprise R2 x64 and Perc 4/dc SCSI driver issue

Hello all, this is the first time posting so please forgive me if this has been posted here before. I did try to search this issue but zero returns.
OK, I have a Dell PowerEdge 2900. I have just put a fresh install of MS Windows 2008 ENT. Server x64. I cannot seem to find a driver for the PERC 4/dc SCSI controller I have installed. I have been told the 2003 x64 driver would work so I attempted to install that driver but was unsuccessful. Then I was told by Dell that the driver should be native to the OS. Is the driver native to 2008 Server (or, supposed to be)? Does anyone have an answer as to where I might retrieve am driver of the controller if not? Anyway, thanks in advance

Hello,
I don't have a PowerEdge 2900, but I do have a PowerEdge 2850. I'm also just a regular bloke like yourself that just happened upon your post and after I figured this driver debacle out I registered to hopefully help.
The good thing is my PERC card is the same in the PE2850 as it is in your PE2900, as I'm utilizing a PERC 4/DC. I've also managed to run into the same issue you ran into(?) trying to load Windows 2008 Server Enterprise R2 (support for 32bit processors have been removed in R2... so no more x86 versions... my poor PE2650s never stood a chance with this OS).
I can tell you officially from my experience/research Windows Server Enterprise R2 does not have support built into it for the PERC 4/DC card.
However, I was able to download the Windows 2003 x64 driver from support.dell.com and make it work after much trial and error with newer releases of the PERC 4/DC driver that were not accepted by 2k8R2.
Here's the link: http://support.dell.com/support/downloads/download.aspx?c=us&cs=RC956904&l=en&s=hied&releaseid=R100373&SystemID=PWE_PNT_P3C_2850&servicetag=FBCLP61&os=WX64&osl=en&deviceid=6396&devlib=0&typecnt=0&vercnt=1&catid=-1&impid=-1&formatcnt=3&libid=35&fileid=129549
File name (incase Dell moves it on you guys) is "perc-w2k3-6.46.3.64-A01.exe", date released 6/9/2005, build version 6.46.3.64, and the Dell revision number is A01.
Even though it states the driver is for the LSI Logic PERC 4e/Si it's sort of a mega pack including many other drivers such as the PERC 4/DC. This was much relief because I was thinking I would need to stick with Windows 2008 until I found this driver for Windows 2008 R2. :)
What I did was:
1) Downloaded the driver and extracted it to a USB drive.
2) Booted-up via the Win2k8R2 CD and when it got to the screen where it asked to install to a partition and didn't show me a partition to install Win2k8R2 to I selected the option to load a driver.
3) From the load driver option I just browsed to the directory where I extracted the files and selected that directory. If the "hide devices that are not compatible" option is selected (normally on by default) it will show you the proper driver.
4) Select the PERC 4/DC driver and then setup your partitions the way you would like them!
From there you should be able to boot into the OS... and really have some fun.
Now you have the power... I guess the choice is yours to R2 or not to R2... that is the real question. :)
Enjoy!
Dave
Thanks and this worked for a Power edge 1800, PERC 4/DC as well. Kukan

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