Settle Production Variances to COPA- Cost elements and Value fields
Dear All,
I know this question has been discussed in the past, but I have one specific doubt regarding this topic.:
When assigning cost elements to variance categories in t-code KEI1, how do we figure out what combination of cost elements (in the top half of the screen) constitute Input Price Variance, Scrap variance etc (in the bottom half of the screen)? I know the net of the postings on those cost elements tells us what variances we are looking it, but how do we get the cost elements (group) for let's say, 'Input/Output Quanity Varinace or 'Lot size Variance' ?
Or is this a futile exercise? May be I should just create three types of variances: Labor, Machine and Overhead. And I know what cost elements (net of the postings) would, in total, make up the $ variance in each of those categories. I can then use them in my report painter reports.
Please help clear the fog for me.
Ajay?
Thanks a lot,
Deepak
Hi Deepak,
Welcome to SDN!!
There are 2 ways of updating variances in COPA... I Prefer the 2nd option always...
1. Category wise variances (Input Prc, Usage var, etc) - Here, create a Cost ele group, where in you include all the Cost elements that can be posted to the Prod orders
For the sake of simplicity, you can include Cost elements 1 to 99999999 in the Cost element group...
2. Cost Comp Structure wise variances -
a. Create as many assignment lines in PA Trf Structure as in your Cost Comp Str...
Eg: If your Cost Comp Str in OKTZ has Raw Mat, Labor, Overhead - Create 3 Assignments in PA Trf Structure..
b. Assign the same cost elements in the SOURCE as in the Cost Comp Str
c. Choose the radio button "Costs/Revenues" in your assignment line, instead of " Variance on Production orders"
d. Assign each Assignment line to a separate Value Field
br, Ajay M
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Cost elements set in KEI1 A1 Settle Production Variances?
Dear Experts,
What kinds of cost elements would be set in KEI1 If the PA transfer str. is A1Settle Production Variances?
10 Input price variance
20 Input quantity variance
30 Resource-usage variance
40 Remaining input variance
50 Mixed-price variance
60 Output price variance
70 Lot size-/fixed-cost variance
80 Remaining variance
90 Scrap
Could i say "cost elements that we can see when we do KKS1 variance caluation?
Or else?
Thanks in advance.Hello,
You NEVER assign cost elements to value fields for mapping the settlement in COPA. Instead of that what you do is in the source tab for the line (eg 10 Scrap) select the radio button called ' varainces on production orders' and input the appropriate variance category eg. eg SCRP. In value field tab you would assign the appropriate value field. There is no need to assign cost elements. When you execute variance calculation the information is captured in the following fields and the same flow to COPA when you assign the variance category to value fields.
PRIV Input Price Variance
QTYV Input Quantity Variance
RSUV Resource-Usage Variance
INPV Remaining Input Variance
MXPV Mixed-Price Variance
OPPV Output Price Variance
LSFV Lot Size Variance/Fixed-Cost Variance
REMV Remaining Variance
SCRP Scrap
The variance calculation is not just a simple difference between the cost elements it is also related to quantity as well.
Kind Regards // Shaubhik -
Hi All,
We are settling production variances to COPA and We have 3 values fields in COPA,Material Variance,production labor variance and Other variance.
Variance categories are mapped to material, labor variance and others value fields.but i dont see any labor variances in Variance value field.i have reviewed and this is becuase of Variance categories.which are not one to one mapping to value fields.
we have 9 Variance categories mapped to 3 value fields.
client requirement is labor variances to settled to Variance value field,material variance to Material value field and Overhead and other variances to settlement others value field.is this possible?if yes.how can i do this?
Any help is appreciated.
Thanks,
AnushaHi,
As explained earlier by other forum colleagues,variances captured at production can be assigned to COPA under value field.This assignment is happening through PA transfer structure for variance settlement.
Normally this can be defined broadly into 2 categories : 1.Cost element and 2.Variance categories.
After looking at your requirement,your main interest is in cost element based production variance push to COPA for reporting.i.e.Labor variance.
Production order shows this variance under secondary cost element labor and difference between target/actual.COPA transfer structure doesn't push 2 seprate values (target/actual) ,whereas only delta gets posted.
I feel your requirement is not possible through PA transfer structure.
I would suggest,you push cost center specific labor expenses under new value field,capture cost component wise break up of standard cost udner different value field.
Comparision of cost center expense and labor part of standard cost will provide you expected value.
I know this complex thing to do,so discuss with client do they really want from COPA?
Same reporting they can get from cost cente i.e.expense posted(labor ) and absorbed on product under secondary cost element.
regards,ashok -
Transfering Production variances to COPA
Hi,
I have doubts about transferring Production variances to COPA.
Will this functionality work both for settlement of variances to GL Variances Account and at the same time for settlement of variances to COPA?
From my experience with cost centers and internal orders, I know that if I want to settle an Internal order both to COPA char and to GL Account, I have to make 100% overhead for the costs gathered on IO. Then I can do the settlement in both directions.
Could you please explain to me the case of Production order variances settlement? I need to have them both on GL accounts and in COPA.
Best wishes,
KarolHi
At the time of settlement of production orders, FI entry also passed as well as variances are also settled to COPA
In FI, variances will be debited (assuming production order debit is more than what it is settled to Inventory at Std cost) and Inventory changes account is credited.
In COPA, depending on the variance categories like Price, qty and their assignment to value fields, this amount is transferred.
For eg, if prodn order actual costs is say 12000 and is settled to Inventory is 10000 (at std cost), and the difference is 2000 and if this difference is due to Price (800) and qty (1200).
Hope this is useful
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Variance Catagories with Cost Elements
Hai ,
Experts
At the time of COPA configuration Define PA transfer Structure For Variance Settlements That Settings Which Element Do u want to take Every Variance At the Source Which Element Taking That time Client Asked Me please Explain ?Hi,
Normally you can transfer the Variance categories to CO-PA only in costing based CO-PA.
This customisation is maintained in settlement profile through an indicator "variances to costing based co-pa". Also, you will be assigning the PA transfer structure in the settlement profile.
However, it is not cost elements we map here in the PA transfer structure, there is a standard customization to be mapped i..e for each variance category you can map the value fields. You can see when you try to configure the same. ex: Input price variances can be mapped to your designed value field.
Kind Regards
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Production Variances in COPA CO-PA
Hi Gurus
Production variances are genrated in COPA at the time of Prod Order Settlement.How can we display these in COPA reports apportioned according to Products
If not what is the best practice to present Production Variances in COPA reportsHi,
The production variances flows to copa by creating PA transfer structre in OKOA. their you have to assign value fields to variance categories.after creation of pa transfer str u have to assign it in u r settlement profile.
Thank u
Srinivas -
Cost element and Line item reports show different actual costs
Hi PS experts,
My client has an issue pertaining to actual cost reports. The cost element report shows actual costs $42,000 for one WBS and when I double click to see details the value it shows is $2100. Even when I checked line item report for this WBS the value is $2100. What could be the reason for getting different values? If some one throw some light on this it would be great helpful to me
Regards,
LaxminarsimhaLaxminarsimha
The values in CJI3 should be correct and will include all postings (e.g. Settlement values) and possibly Actual Revenues unless a filter is in place - so take this as being your correct figure to start with.
Your drilldown will show the same value as CJI3 because it is CJI3
Any cost element report you are using is probably correct for what you are asking - is this a Standard Cost Element Report you are using or is it bespoke
One thing to be careful of when you drilldown on Cost Element Reports is that you do not always get the a make up of the value you have drilled down
e.g.
Cost Element Report was run for Period 1 to 6 2008 and shows £100.00
You drilldown and sometimes the drilldown automatically shows ALL line items e.g £500.00 (not just the values for periods 1 to 6 of 2008 which you may expect £100.00)
In the past I've removed the drilldown capability from bespoke cost element reports to prevent drilldown to the line item report (which is CJI3) because of this problem.
Usually where values for a a number of periods only (not total costs) was required
Other factors to consider
Revenues/Settlements may be excluded from Cost Element Report but will not be excluded from CJI3 unless you specifically restrict
You need to identify which types are postings are missing from the Cost Element Report (what is common...cost element, dr/cr indicator, business transaction)
I've also hit the mistake in the past where I've asked for periods 1 2007 to period 3 2008 and instead of giving me just over a years worth of actual it gave me actuals for periods 1 to 3 for 2007 and 1 to 3 for 2008.
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Settle internal order to primary cost element
Hi all,
We use internal orders to collect costs for cars. We differentiate between fuel and maintenance costs. Both cost elements are set up being primary cost elements.When settling the internal order costs are settled using a secondary cost element. What do I need to change and where do I have to change this to have the cost settled against the original, primary cost elements (fuel/maintenance)?
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Best regards, PaulHi,
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& also check the settlement profile.
Regards,
Deepak -
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Hello Finance Friends....
I am inquiring about something that has been happening and I can not find the answer as to how. I spoke with the finance consultant and he seems to think it is the valuation class being changed but the valuation class has not been changed at all....so here is my problem as I am at a lost...it is an intermittent problem....
I have a service order for material to be repaired by the customer...lets say coming in for Ansi Calibration with repair.
The technician will issue material to the service order for repair....if the technician does not end up using the material for repair he will reverse the goods issue and then the material goes back to stock...
in my scenerio ....when the material is issued it is under GL account (cost elelment) 5XXXXXXX. When the reversal was done it went to 6XXXXXXXX. So when the DP90 transaction is done (billing request) it gives the error for cost center XXXX cost elelment 6XXXXXXX and can not complete the transaction DP90. The error is the Material combination for DP90....this works in others....these are just one offs that it is happening to and there seems to be no rhyme or reason to why it happens... I have tried reverse the transaction to put the material back to the service order and then manually reverse myself using the original GL account number it was issued on (5XXXXXX)...however when doing the DP90 it still reads the 6XXXXXXX cost element and cost center XXX. Keep in mind that the valuation class or material type has not been changed.
Where is the GL account and Cost center being derived from in the service order? What can I check?
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Check in T030 table for OBYC assignments and TKA3A table for OKB9 settings.
Also check account assignment tab of PO.
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Report by Internal Order that includes cost element and order type
Good Morning Gurus'
Is there an SAP Standard Report that shows Internal order, cost element and order type? I find many with order, but not order type.
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Combination of cost elements and cost centers
Hi guys,
what if I mentioned only cost centers as sender values in a segement of assessment cycle? do you think that is must to have cost element and cost center combination in sender values? how it will be differnt I dont mention any cost elements along with cost center in segements as sendors? please clarify me with the example.Hi
Cost Centers are the cost collectors and cost elements are the cost carriers.
When you add cost elements and cost centers as senders you define that the cost that are available in the cost centers are carried to other cost objects via the cost elements.
Hope it helps
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Hari -
Any Reports show PM Orders Number, GL Number, Cost Element and the amount?
Hi Experts,
Are there any reports that display the PM Orders Number, GL Number, Cost Element and the amount?
currently i have to use IW32 and click the COSTS tab then click button REP.PLAN/ACT. to view these information.
Please Advise
Thank you
RegardsThere is no single report to show all the data. You have to use different reports or develop custom report.
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Is it possible to have Auxiliary Cost Component as Value Fields in COPA
Respected Gurus,
Is it possible to have Auxiliary Cost Component as Value Fields in COPA - Please Advise?
Thanks
PMHi Praveen ,
It is possible.. in Transaction KE4R .. we have to specify the cost component structure .. where you map the cost components with value fields..
Please use your auxiliary Cost Comp Structure in KE4R to achieve your purpose
Regards
Sarada -
Condition types and value fields
hi Gurus,
Can anybody please explain me what is condidion type and value field and the purpose of these two in costing??
Regards,
S.SumanaDear Sumana,
Condition types and Value field conjuction is used in Profitability Analysis.
Condition type is an element in pricing procedure. For e.g price of the product consist of several things like base price, discount, tax, etc. so each compenent is called condition type.
Value fields are grouping of cost elements for e.g. you have created a cost element Sales revenue then all revenue cost elements which consist of revenue.
Condtion type Base Price is revenue which is mapped to value field Sales revenue. So as soon as the billing document is created value field is updated.
For more information on Profitability analysis please read the documentation provide in www.help.sap.com
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Chintan Joshi. -
How to assign cost components to value fields
Hi,
Kindly provide me the path or Tcode to assign cost components to value fields.
thanks
SunithaHi Sunita,
You can go to transaction KE4R. For menu, go to IMG, PA and then valuation, Set up valuation using Material Cost estimate and there you will find 'Assign Vlaue fields'.
Trust this helps much!
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