Shake as a Colour Corrector Alternative?

Hi
I know SHAKE is a compositing app, but I've never really come across any information regarding colour correcting in Shake. How is the CC in relation to FCP? And would anyone recommend it to use solely as a Colour Correcting tool for film/video work?
Cheers!

How is the CC in relation to
FCP? And would anyone recommend it to use solely as
a Colour Correcting tool for film/video work?
Well, since you mention film, and seeing as it actually understands what a logarithmic plate is, I would say right off the bat you're doing better CCs than in FCP.
For the broadcast monitor, you need a card that has a Shared Desktop. You may need to fiddle a bit with the numberOfMonitors setting in the Globals (can't remember the exact parameter name, something like that), or some Preferences for the Card itself.
Back to the Colour correctors - you have a wide variety of tools available to you (Lookup, LookupHLS and HueCurves being particularly useful), and many of them concatenate (look it up in the Manual - it basically means 2 contiguous correctors won't clip each other out). You also have access to 16 bpc or float bpc corrections. Finally, you also have explicit control over premultiplication, which FCP does not.
And then you have the ability to mask of your correction via a variety of means. It's almost like Shake was a compositing package!
The one thing you don't have is a pretty interface like the FCP 3-Way, but you do have better control, and its certainly not in real-time like FCP.
There's also the ColorGrade macro in the Cookbook that's pretty useful.
-ed

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Not sure if anyone will be able to offer any advice on this.
Am in the process of editing some footage. One of the actors is wearing black sunglasses, and yes, in the close ups of his face you can clearly see the two cameraman, lights, make up artist etc. It wasn't that noticeable until I put it full screen. What I want to know is, is there anyway I can do something like bringing up the blacks to make his sunglasses completely black. I have tried to do this with colour corrector 3 way, but of course it affected the whole picture, and I don't know how to just isolate the sunglasses. Any help would be appreciated!! Thank you in advance.
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After:
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I'd like to list you both in the thank you section of the video, if that's alright (by your user names).
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Hi all i hope you can help me here.
Im used to doing safety, corporate, induction videos so Ive never been interested in getting the "film look" But now Ive got a music video to do and i really don't want it to look interlaced.
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