Showing clients a Pantone color vs. the CMYK match

Is there a way to show a client a sqaure of a Pantone color with a square of the same color done out of CMYK, and be accurate? I have some out of state clients that don't have Pantone/CMYK books and have asked this question. They utilize pantone colors in their logos and we only have CMYK digital presses. I would like to show them how close of a "match" we can reasonably achieve. Assuming their monitors are calibrated, is there an accurate way to do this via a PDF proof?
Thanks.

Bart's tip is ideal if you have the time to send mail. If there's no time for mail delivery and you typically proof online, lay a sample print and a pantone color chip on a scanner and send them the scanned image over the internets. They'll be able to compare any color shift from both color samples in the same scanned image, even if their monitors are whacked.

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Before i used CS illustrator i was able to indicate the used pantone colors on a print or PDF with coreldraw.
Can anyone tell me how to make such a print with CS6.
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Add your spot colors to your swatches panel (Window> Swatch Library> Color Books> Pantone+ Solid Coated>)
In the fly-out menu on the swatches panel, select all unused swatches and delete. Also delete any unused swatch groups.
File> Document set-up> make the bleed .5".
Use the type tool to indicate the spot colors on the outside edge of the bleed area, make the type color match the indicated spot color.
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In InDesign you can add a Slug area to your page, where the spot colors would typically be added.

Mixing Pantone Colors - Just like CMYK channels???

Hey Everyone,
I just signed up to the forum and had a look around. Hello everyone and I'm glad forums like this are around!
So, my question is hopefully one that is possible. I've looked elsewhere but can't find any difinitive answer or perhaps I haven't worded the question right but here it goes...
What I'd like to do [in photoshop] is treat 4 pantone colors just like CMYK channels. What I mean by that is that I would like to replace Cyan, Magenta, Yellow and Black with my own colors [pantone colors] and have them mix and act exactly like those channels. As in, when I open a full color image, and my pantone [or any color] channels or color profile is active, the full color image will react to those colors [with the blending of the colors].
Instead of 45% Cyan, 55% Magenta, 83% Yellow, and 2% Black in a given spot, it would be a mix of the 4 chosen colors [example: 45% pantone A, 55% Pantone B, 83% Pantone C, 2% Pantone D].
or to put it another way, if I were to color the background in, say, a blue, I would be able to use the "Info" panel to see how much of each pantone color was mixed to create that color. Obviously there would be a limit to the colors I could create based on the pantone colors I select.
I don't want to do anything printing wise with this technique. I am looking at it solely as an onscreen viewer or perhaps use it in some manner for screen printing.
Anybody have any ideas on how to achieve this?
Many thanks in advance.

Beyond setting up a multichannel document there is no magic. And it is still merely an approximation because some colors can neither be simulated on-screen nor actually printed that way. That ultimately is the whole point - PS can't simulate anything that is impossibole in the "real world" and expressed as a color profile. Anyway, I have the feeling that you have a wrong understanding what spot colors actually are/ are meant for. They simply won't respond like the basic CMYK channels because their actual inks don't behave that way. Your ink percentages will never represent anything equivalent to a mathematical mixing formula as when using RGB or CMYK, instead they are the inks color multiplied by the opacity. In case of an on-screen simulation/ proof they would not even necessarily include effects that happen due to spectral absorption when light travels through the inks or the inks mixing chemically/ physically at the pigment level. It really doesn't exactly make sense for what you have possibly in mind due to the aforementioned specifics and limitations of the simulation. One could even go so far as to craft everything in red on screen and then swap the color for green during the printing process, assuming only 100% opacities are used. That is to say spot colors are often more considered like masks that constrain the actual ink to certian areas and when you think of it that way, you may begin to understand how and why your grand plan may fall apart. Of course we don't know what your artwork looks like, so it may work, after all, but I realyl think you are heading in the wrong direction, dreaming up something that doesn't exist.
Mylenium

Showing customers Pantone colors vs. CMYK

I have some clients out of state that occasionally want Pantone colors run. We have CMYK digital presses and (except on rare cases) only run that. Is there a way in Illustrator to accurately show a client via PDF proof a Pantone square next to the same Pantone made out of CMYK and have them tell if it is a "close enough" match?
Unfortunately most of these clients don't have a CMYK vs. Pantone comparison book. I also realize they would have to have a calibrated screen to view whatever I sent them but is there anyway there would be an accurate way to do this?
Thanks.

I agree. Their monitor vs. your monitor is completely subjective and would not be the most accurate way to proceed. This brings up a very good subject on color, color viewing, and color accuracy. Even if their monitor was setup exactly like yours, no two moniotrs, even the same brand, will display the same color(s). Add to that no two humans see color the same way. I know this sounds like splitting hairs, but it's true. Probably the best thing to do is print an actual press sheet with a series of swatches ( say, 5 at the most ) with slightly different percentages that are +/- 2-5% deviates of the original and send them that. Have them look at it on the actual paper they plan to use for the job. You'll be surprised which one they choose. In the end, they will be the ones to decide, but at least they have accurate information to go on.

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If the PDF has Pantone colors in it, you can use output preview to see it. If you want a Pantone equivalent of a CMYK value you can do this:
In Illustrator, make a cmyk swatch of the desired color, open the Color Guide panel (Window > Color Guide), then press the Swatch Library button in the panel's lower left corner and choose color books> Pantone+solid coated. Clicking the first color in the Color Harmony section (the Base Color) at the top of the panel will add the closest PMS Spot Color equivalent to your Swatches panel.
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http://www.mycableshop.com/sku/ADCHD1506.htm
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Why does a placed .eps file with a Pantone color change the color mode to CMYK?

I am working on a 2-color newsletter in Indesign CS5... black and Pantone 227U.
Whenever I place a duotone .eps (black + 227U) or an Illustrator vector .eps with 227U in it, the color mode for that swatch changes to CMYK. An Illustrator vector which is 100% 227U also gives me the same issue.
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Thanks Rob!
I also unchecked “All spots to process” and the spot color appeared in the Separations Preview.
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Pantone added hundreds of fabulous colors last year and these are not available to specify in any of the Adobe Suite programs!

You can get them from Pantone although they don't make it easy. Checkout this thread starting at #9
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Dear all!
I am LUCK. I am wondering about Pantone Colors with CMYK Colors. It's that I got 1 Pantone Color from my customer and then I changed it to the equivalent CMYK Color. Will I get different colors when changing from Pantone to CMYK because I will print with CMYK Printing Process? Anyway, I am wondering whether the Pantone color is the fix and specific color or not. I mean when I print the Pantone Color, I will get the same result as I print before. Is it right?
Please help to explain to me whether Pantone Colors will keep their colors the same and stable or not. Or would you mind telling me what kind of colors that can produce the same color every time I print, especially for the Formal Uses?
Sorry for being unaware of my knowledge here. Thanks a lot and best wishes to all!
I am looking forward to hearing from you.
My best regards,
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Pantone is a company, not a color. Pantone produces spot color inks, process color inks, and color references.
Understand first: Five color printing ("process plus one") is not uncommon, because six-color presses are not uncommon. When a project is printed on a 6-head press, it does not dramatically affect the costs, because the job can still be printed in one pass. Brochures and other marketing collateral are often printed in 5 inks when a company specifies a spot color as its identity color. When done right, the company's identity specifications also provide a CMYK mix to use in lieu of its spot color(s) when restricted to only CMYK (as in magazine placement ads).
So I'll assume your customer specified a Pantone spot color, and does not provide a preferred CMYK substitute, and your project is restricted to four color process (CMYK) printing.
CMYK mixes do not exactly match spot color inks; they can only approximate. How closely they can approximate depends upon which spot color you are dealing with.
Pantone provides its recommended CMYK values for approximating its spot color inks. That's why Illustrator provides a Pantone solid to process Swatch Library. But such lookups are recommendations; they are not absolute equivalents. There are many many colors in nature (and in spot ink pigment) which simply cannot be matched in CMYK. And any time you try to convert between color models (spot to CMYK, RGB to CMYK, etc.) you encounter ambiguities, because there are multiple algorithms that can be used to generate four values from fewer values.
I often find Pantone's spot-to-process recommendations to be unsatisfactory, and use my own CMYK approximations instead. This is not necessarily due to any failure or shortcoming of the Pantone libraries, but just differences that exist in specific printing houses and workflows. The printing process is full of variables.
Will I get different colors when changing from Pantone to CMYK
Yes, the colors will be different. But whether the difference is noticable depends upon the specific spot ink you are trying to match. It also depends upon the specific use of the color. Fact is, human color perception is very adaptive. Colors that are "mathematically" equivilant according to some colorimetric algorithm are not necessarily perceived as equivilant by human eyes, because much depends upon environment (adjacent colors, etc.)
You can refer to a printed process color reference against which you can compare a printed spot color swatch book and judge for yourself which CMYK values best approximate the spot color. Or, you can set up simple test sheet of your own, and have it printed to determine a "best match" in a particular printing environment.
All the above is just one reason why contract proofs are still important. If your customer is very picky about his spot color, then he needs to understand that converting it to CMYK is merely an approximation, and perfect matching is simply not possible. That's one reason why spot inks exist in the first place. If he is not willing to pay for five-color printing, then he will likely have to settle for a minor compromise.
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Dear Dir ,
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