Single Business Area versus multiple profit center issue

Dear Experts,
My client is basically an infrastructure company. We have received a roll out
project under a department which inturn is billed to another department
under the same company code. Now I am planning to create a single business
area and multiple profit centers under that BA. This is because the business
is same but responsible areas of profit are two different departments.
Now I am not sure on the set up process and how do knock off etc are achieved
to get the financial reports balanced.
Cost of dept 1 is revenue of dept 2. For this I create a BA and also
2 profit centers. I do assignment in OKB9. What are other settings required.
Which profit center would be assigned in the material master?
My whole idea is to use a single BA with multiple profit centers, if one to one
relationship is the best way of approach then I shall follow that. But kindly give
inputs if I use single BA with multiple PC's how effective usage can I make of the
whole system. client is using MM, SD, PM, PP, FI, CO, PS modules.
Regards
Komal

Hi,
Recently we have got a business requirement for the concept of Single Plant which is assigned to multiple profit centers. I would request any of you to help me with any points which has the pros and cons of this set up.
First think why many profit center required for one plant explain it ?
Now you know from where system will take profit center in accounting docuement ?
as per me system take from Material master costing view
you have project base company or client or WBS at your end ?
In one material we can assign single profit center
In on cost center we can assign single profit center
so can you explain your requirement exactly
Regards
Kailas Ugale

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Business Area v/s Profit Center

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Can some body tell me the major differences between a Business Area and a Profit Center
or pls send me to mail i .e [email protected]
Thanking u,
Siva S.

Hello,
Business area is higher in hierarchy compared to Profit center. A business area can have multiple PCs assigned to it.
Business area is used for reporting for internal -management accounting purpose. Financial statements for internal purposes can be drawn for BA just as for Co Cd for external and auditory purpose.
Profit center are operation entities and lower in hierarchy, have a person reponsible and many cost centers can be assigned to one PC. It is used only for statistical purpose.Profit center data canbe rolled up to BA data.
Also see:
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_47x200/helpdata/en/02/30793485231774e10000009b38f83b/frameset.htm
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I have a doubt regarding this issue.
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I searched how to deal with this, and if a create 3 different company codes it is really difficult to plan production and purchases for the 3 company codes globally. The most suitable solution would be to use STO process (stock transfer orders), but the purchases would be done by only one company code and this is not what the customer wants because only this company code would have tax credits.
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I have following situation. My customer is a company which is situated all over the country. So, this 'parts' of the company are acting like companies inside a company. There is a need for producing balance sheet and P&L statement per this parts. Next topic is that this customer has a need for producing balance sheet and P&L statement per line of businesses.
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FI: Business Area and profit center Issues

Hi Sap Gurus
Could you please help me with the following error
We have business areas defined as 1001 so on to 1006 and we have defaulted the profit center and business areas in the cost center master data and when I am booking expenses pertaining to two different business areas cost center for ex:-
001 31 1001 0000200055 A & A Holdings             14.000,00-
002 40 1001 0076003000 PlacemtRecruit Chrg        10.000,00
003 40 1002 0076003000 PlacemtRecruit Chrg         4.000,00
The system is throwing up the following error
Balancing field "Profit Center" in line item 001 not filled
Message no. GLT2201
Diagnosis
The field Profit Center marked as balancing is not filled with any value in line item 001, even after document splitting.
System Response
The document cannot be posted.
Procedure
First check your entries.
Additional causes could be:
u2022     No value can be derived for this field from the current document data.
u2022     You have entered a document type that is not designed for this business purpose.
Can someone provide a solution please as this is go live critical for us now
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PSNG

Hi,
Actually, we have all three scenarios, profit center, segment and business area..
As suggested, we have checked all field status relevant.. profit center is optional in all cases..
Now, Pls consider the scenario without business area in document splitting characteristics..
If I post an expense, profit center is picked thru cost center and segment thru profit ctr. The vendor or bank line item inherits the characteristic values from the previous line item.
Now, in addition we have business areas in doc splitting characteristics.
Business area, again is populated thru cost centers, along with profit ctr and segment.
The business area gets correctly populated in the vendor line item.. but the profit center doesnt.
Please let us know the reason..
Edited by: Swapvik on Mar 23, 2009 4:07 PM

Profit Center issue when executing GR55

Hi Experts,
I was reported by the business users that they see transactions with the Dummy Profit Centers when they run report for Balance Sheet and P&L Statements. They dont want to see any Dummy Profit Center Report Transactions in their financial statementsin both BSand P&LStatements.
For example a number of Documents posted against same G/L account and few of them have dummy profit centers, users doesn't want to see them.
I already checked in tables BSAD,BSID, BSIS,BSAD, BKPF,BSEG
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Can anyone help me out the procedure to find out the issue. This is very high priority issue.
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Refer to the IMG Activity Documentation for the following IMG Node.
Financial Accounting (New) -> General Ledger Accounting (New) -> Master Data -> Profit Center -> Create Dummy Profit Center
Here is the documentation:
Create Dummy Profit Center
This function lets you create the dummy profit center for the current controlling area.
The dummy profit center is updated in data transfers whenever the object to which the data was originally posted (cost center, order, and so on) is not assigned to a profit center. This ensures that the data in Profit Center Accounting is complete. You can later send the data on the dummy profit center to the other profit centers using assessment or distribution.
You create the master record for the dummy profit center using this special transaction. To change or display it, use the normal profit center maintenance functions.
The name of the dummy profit center is displayed in the controlling area settings for Profit Center Accounting.
Prerequisites
The standard hierarchy must exist for the current controlling area.
Actions
Enter the name of the dummy profit center. The rest of the steps are the same as when you create a normal profit center.
Choose the function Extras -> Set controlling area first to make sure that the correct controlling area is set.
I am guessing this is where your dummy profit center postings are coming from (a cost center / order or some other account assignment object that is not assigned to a profit center). It should be mandatory (in your month-end close) to run reports on dummy profit center(s) and move balances, if any, to the real profit center, before you pull financial statements.

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Changing business area on a cost center

We mainly use HR, but we use some FI/CO for accounting. (I am no expert in FI/CO whatsoever - so please excuse any incorrect terms).
Our users have entered incorrect business area to a cost center.
This business area is now registered on employees, and payroll/posting has been run up unitil October 2010.
If I try to change business area from 01.11.2009 (realize it is probably not good to change earlier due to postings); I get the following error message: "Field change Business Area is not possible (transaction data already exists)"
In addition, the message says: If you still want to change the object, select a suitable change interval by choosing "Edit -> Analysis period...". However, trying to change the analysis period I am told I have to choose year end.
My questions are:
1. Is there a way I can change business area from 01.11.2009 ?
2. Is there a way to change area earlier - and if so, what are the impacts+
I appreciate any help
Kirsten
Edited by: Kibo on Oct 11, 2009 2:44 PM

Hi Kirsten,
Normally, it's not possible to change business area during a fiscal year once there is already postings in this Fiscal Year.
The reason is to make sure that there is no change within the fiscal year since you then would have different postings - cost center belonging to different business areas within the same fiscal year. Meaning that it is possible to change the business area for the next fiscal year like described in the long text of the error message KS134. The reason is that it is to avoid inconsistency update of the table (COSS, COEP, or COSP).
Although, If the following requirements are met, than it is is possible to change the business area during a fiscal year with the
help of the note 62716:
1. The change interval is set to period limits
2. There is no dependent actual transaction data in the change interval
    or afterwards.
3. There must already be an analysis period for the respective cost
    center which starts on the first day of the chosen period. If this
    is not the case, you can create one with 'Change cost center'
If the requirements are met, you can run the report RKACOR06 in SE38
safely. I recommend you to execute the report first with Test Run on
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Greta

How to suppress business area feild in cost center master data urgent plzzz

how to suppress business area feild in cost center master data

Hi ,
Please check these notes
Note 606933 OKEON: Business area is no required entry field
Note 506308 OKEON: Business area financial statement prevents change
Note 422801 KS01 with template does not check business area
It might be possible to create a modification,.
Please assign points if it useful
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Ravinagh Boni

Business area change in cost center

Dear Expers,
Please guide me,
How to change the business area in cost center master data, which is having already data in that cost center, any programme to change, if i change B.A what will happen, any problem to old data which is posted with that cost center.
Regards
Chandu

Hi,
It is not possible or allowed to change the master data field: business
area of the cost center once you have made postings to this cost center
period.
And normally it's also not possible to change business area during a
fiscal year once there is already postings in this Fiscal Year.
The reason is to make sure that there is no change within the fiscal
year since you then would have different postings - cost center
belonging to different business areas within the same fiscal year.
Meaning that it is possible to change the business area for the next
fiscal year like described in the long text of the error message KS134.
The reason is that it is to avoid inconsistency update of the table
(COSS, COEP, or COSP).
To change business area,you should create a new period for the cost
center with no postings to this new period and change BA then.
But if you want to change BA during FY,please review note 62716
as well as the requirements stated in the note.
I hope it helps,
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MLM

Business area field in Cost center

Dear Guru's
We created a Cost center for a validity period of 01.01.2006 to 31.12.9999 with a business area of ABC.
Transactions and line items are existed in the cost center
Now we decided to change the business area of the cost center from the ABC TO XYZ. I went to KS02 here the filed is editable mode when i enter the new business area for cost center it gives a message in the following manner.
Field change Business Area is not possible (transaction data already exists)
Message no. KS134
please could you help me how to change the field.
Thanks and Regards

Dear Laxmi,
There are records that have been created and hence the system is not allowing you to change the data. Change the analysis period and then system would allow you.
KS02 -> Enter the Controlling area -> Enter the cost centre -> go to menu "EDIT- Analysis period" -> click on the button "Other Analysis Period" and change the validity.
Regards,
Naveen.

Cost Center assign Profit Center Issues

Hi Controlling Expert,
i have one issues regarding, Cost Center assign to Profit Center
wht happened , we have made MIS Report Thru Report Painter KE80, we have map based on   Primary Cost Element, at the time of Business Transaction, we have capture the Finance Cost center i.e FI000, Marketing Cost center i.e MK000 , HR Cost Center i,e HR000 and assign the same cost center FI000 to Profit Center i.e FI000 also same name, respectively. in MIS report there is two Head i.e Sustaining Cost and Development Cost ,where we have to capture only Cost center for Sustaining Cost related to display i.e FI000, MK000 and HR000. KE80 report belongs to Profit Center wise you can see the Report. But same FI000, MK000 and HR000 also updated related with business transaction and capture above cost center like in depreciation GL Amount 1000 cost center FI000 and sustaining cost also updated the same amount 1000 because we have assign FI000, i.e wrong . last 3 months post the amount now wht should I do for not updated sustaining cost, as I understand , should be delete sustaining Cost as well Development, and later on we can take report from KSB1 for FI000, MK000 and HR000, for management purpose, so if I cannot assign profit center FI000 to Cost Center .kindly correct me whether ryt or wrong. Coz Fianance, HR cost and marketing is only cost center. not suppose to assigh profit center, in this case how Profit Center removed from Cost center. kindly let me knw, or give me other option.
wen we see the report same Profit Center showing two times along with amount i.e wrong coz of Sustaining Cost we have assign Profit Center
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Revenue : Relevant GL ( At time of Business Transaction we have captured the Relevant Profit Center i.e Finished Product i.e R100: RA Tube
and RA Tube R100 assign with same Cost Center R100.
B.Material Cost : Relevant Primary Cost Element
Manpower      : same like Above
2.Energy            : same like Above
3.Consumption   : same Like Above
Conversion Cost (1+2+3)
Sustaining Cost   : Here we have given Profit Center i.e FI000, MK000 and HR000 these profit center assign
Development Cost : Here we have given profit Cente EN000
Profit      (A-B-C-D-E-F)
G.Depreciation : Relevant Primary Primary Cost Element
Financing Cost : Relevant Primary Cost Element
I. Other Income/Loss : Relevant Primary Cost Element
PBT : (F-G-H-I)
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Pranav Kr. Gupta
SAP FICO Consultant.

Hi Pranav
You are logging same issue twice. I didnt see any difference in the two threads though.
If its the same issue, request you not to repeat this in future.
KE80 report two times value effected
Regards
Mustafa

Allocation of Business Partner to a profit center.

Hi,
I had earlier posted a question on how to allocate a BP to a Profit center:
Hi,
Is it possible to allocate a BP to one or more Profit centers when creating a BP Master in SAP;such that, on creation of a marketing document the Profit center is directly picked up instead of selecting it.
Please comment.
Regards,
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Projects can be associated with a Business Partner in the Master data definition but not Profit Center.
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SELECT T0.U_PC FROM dbo.OCRD T0 WHERE T0.CardCode = $http://$4.0.0
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SELECT T0.U_PC1 FROM dbo.OCRD T0 WHERE T0.CardCode = $http://$4.0.0
UNION ALL
SELECT T0.U_PC2 FROM dbo.OCRD T0 WHERE T0.CardCode = $http://$4.0.0
Suda
Now, since the BP has already been allocated to the profit center anytime a service type credit note is passed which links to a Liability or an "Other" Account type, the profit center still gets allocated.
Can I make any changes to the query such that only Sales or Expenditure account could be allocated to the BP, and any other account if tagged the entry is not tagged with a profit center.
This has become kindof critical for users who check the profit center report, which does not give hte correct figure because of the above issue.
Please advise.

Projects can be associated with a Business Partner in the Master data definition but not Profit Center.
Profit Center have associated distribution rules and are linked to G/L account or a transaction at the row level.
You could do this. Create a UDF in the BP Master to enter the profit Center information.
In the Sales Order Rows..in the Profit Center field create a Formatted Search to pull the Profit Center from the BP Master UDF
Example: Let us say your Profit Center User field on the BP Master is called U_PC
then your Formatted Search on the Marketing document would be
 SELECT T0.U_PC FROM [dbo\].[OCRD\] T0 WHERE T0.CardCode = $\[$4.0.0]

Set it to Auto Refresh on Item Code ....check Display Saved Values
If you want 2 Profit Centers on the BP Master and the user would select it in the Marketing document then let us presume your UDF's are U_PC1 and U_PC2,
the FMS would be
 
SELECT T0.U_PC1 FROM [dbo\].[OCRD\] T0 WHERE T0.CardCode = $\[$4.0.0]
UNION ALL
SELECT T0.U_PC2 FROM [dbo\].[OCRD\] T0 WHERE T0.CardCode = $\[$4.0.0]

Suda

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Dear SAP friends,
We have implemented ECC6.0 version,
I have the below issue:
I am posting the document in FB60 transaction: after simulating the document system is throwing the error "Profit center 9937/FIREPRODMY does not exist for 14.08.2009"
Message no. KM700
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In 0KE5( maintain controlling area settings) I have not given the Dummy profit center.
Eventhough it is asking for Dummy profit center while posting, Please let me know apart from the 0Ke5 settings do i need to remove the dummy profit center anywhere in the Config.
I have not maintained any settings in FAGL3KEH, 3KEH and OKB9.
No sunstitutions are active in the system.
Please let me know from where i need to remove the dummy profit center.
My client going live on 17th Aug 2009.
Regards,
Anand

Hi,
Check the validity period of the Profit Center 9937/FIREPRODMY. The valid from period should have the date same or earlier than 14.08.2009
If not then change the profit center master data to be valid from an earlier date (Tcode KE52). Steps-
KE52 - Profit Center FIREPRODMY
Click Change Validity Period (Ctrl +F1)
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one of our billing documnet has got cash pricing procedure assigned to it. Accordingly, when a billing document is created, certain G/L is getting debited instead of customer account. We are also crediting same G/L account thru VKOA settings. e.g.
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Can anyone help me in this regard ? Either both line items should get same cost center ? PC or if no cost center at all, then, same profit center in both line items
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Raj

Hi
It dosen't help.
My question is if the same G/L is getting profit center in the second line item, then why cant in the first line item also ?
First line item is determined by cash pricing procedure. Second line item is determined by condition type in regular pricing procedure. SAme G/L is deterimined in both of these line items.
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