[SOLVED] Yet another time issue...

Hi there,
I'm having some crazy, hair pulling, head banging UTC time issues on both my dual boot (Arch & Windows 8) desktop and single boot laptop.
I've been searching and following a mulitude of old threads and the official Wiki guide, however, I simply cannot get UTC time to stay correct between reboots. I've installed Arch a fair few times now, both before and after the switch to systemd and in dual and single boot setups and have never had time related issues like this before...
Here's a run down of the whole sorry story....
Fresh install - set time with hwclock --systohw utc as suggested in the beginners guide.
First boot - time an hour out - huh? cat /etc/adjtime and ls -l /etc/localtime - everything as it should be... UTC and symlink to /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/London. Nonetheless I duly follow the Time guide on the wiki, get to know timedatectl a bit, and soon after, time is set to be correct. Great.
Reboot. Time an hour out. Whaaaa??. Start googling, finding a plethora of bbs links to others with similar issues, decide to use NTP. Install, ntpd -qg. All good again. Time right. Phew...
Reboot. Nope. Arrrrgggghhhh. (Bare in mind - at this point I haven't even booted the Windows 8 disc, and I went through the exact same process on my Arch only laptop...)
More googling, thread reading. Find out that hwclock and ntp might be in conflict. Delete /etc/adjtime, reinstall tzdata, re-follow Time article to the letter and reenable NTP to start at boot.
Reboot - time is foward an hour yet again. Bang head repeatedly on desk. Then suddenly - 10 mins or so after boot - NTP kicks in, and time is magically goes back an hour to the correct time! Surely NTP should be doing this early in the boot process, not 10 minutes after? But OK, at least something is happening...
Next I dare to boot into Windows, and yup, time an hour out. Expected, but frustrating nonetheless. Add the registry tweak as suggested in the guide, and turn off the Windows time synchronisation. During which I noticed that Windows 8 time is set to UTC by default, not localtime, which is what the wiki says. Is this a Windows 8 thing?
I can't help thinking, that if this is the case, and the Wiki advise is written under the assumption that Windows time is always localtime, that perhaps this is the route of my problem....
Anyway, Windows time all good now, reboot Arch, time again wrong untill NTP finally kicks in - sigh. Reboot to Windows. Time an hour back. Gaaaahhhh - WTF?!! reset it to be correct. Try again. Same thing. Oops, forgot to mention that on each reboot, I check the BIOS clock, which remains persistently correct during the whole debarkle...
Ok, so I try without the registry hack and turn Windows sync back on. Still fucked. I try various combinations of the two, I try resetting Arch time over and over again. With NTP - late sync. With hwclock only, or both hwclock & NTP - totally fucked! Eventually, I give up on UTC in Arch, set it localtime, delete registry key, turn Windows time sync back on, and thus far all good......
TL;DR - couldn't get hwclock to set UTC time correctly across reboots. NTP worked (sort of), but after each reboot it would take ten minutes for the time to sync and the clock to move back an hour to the correct time. Localtime just works...
My question is - why is the wiki (and the timedatectl status output for that matter) - so adamant that we should use UTC? From what I can gather, as long as I boot Windows around the DST time. or manually move the clock forward or back an hour - all should be well, no? Or are there other issues that I may run into that I've missed? The thing I'm most concerned about is data corruption due to timestamp issues...
Also, why does the wiki repeatedly say that Windows uses localtime, when this doesn't appear to be the case in Eight? Does the wiki need updating or is Windows lying to me? I know which I'd put my money on ;-)
Finally can anyone explain why my time was always an hour forward after a reboot, even when the time was set correctly before, the BIOS showed the correct time, and NTP was in use?
Sorry for the crazy long posting, but this issue has been driving me totally batty!! Any light-shedding greatfully appreciated :-)
Last edited by knowayhack (2013-08-10 15:24:09)

Ok, so I set the clock back an hour in the BIOS, booted Windows - time right - YAY.
Rebooted Arch - time right. OMFG - pure joy!!!
I have to say, I still find it odd that this is how it works, and would like to confirm that things are looking as they should in the output from the following commands....
toby@archy ~ > timedatectl status
Local time: Sat 2013-08-10 15:42:56 BST
Universal time: Sat 2013-08-10 14:42:56 UTC
Timezone: Europe/London (BST, +0100)
NTP enabled: n/a
NTP synchronized: no
RTC in local TZ: no
DST active: yes
Last DST change: DST began at
Sun 2013-03-31 00:59:59 GMT
Sun 2013-03-31 02:00:00 BST
Next DST change: DST ends (the clock jumps one hour backwards) at
Sun 2013-10-27 01:59:59 BST
Sun 2013-10-27 01:00:00 GMT
toby@archy ~ > sudo hwclock --debug
sudo: timestamp too far in the future: Aug 10 16:39:24 2013
We trust you have received the usual lecture from the local System
Administrator. It usually boils down to these three things:
#1) Respect the privacy of others.
#2) Think before you type.
#3) With great power comes great responsibility.
[sudo] password for toby:
hwclock from util-linux 2.23.2
Using /dev interface to clock.
Last drift adjustment done at 1376148264 seconds after 1969
Last calibration done at 1376148264 seconds after 1969
Hardware clock is on UTC time
Assuming hardware clock is kept in UTC time.
Waiting for clock tick...
...got clock tick
Time read from Hardware Clock: 2013/08/10 14:43:20
Hw clock time : 2013/08/10 14:43:20 = 1376145800 seconds since 1969
Sat 10 Aug 2013 15:43:20 BST -0.953640 seconds
Is it OK to now reinstall NTP to keep the clock in sync on Arch, and are the Windows reg tweaks still necessary on Windows 8?
Thank you guys SOOO much for all the unbelievabley speedy help on this issue - you have no idea how much this has been stressing me out!!
Last edited by knowayhack (2013-08-10 14:54:31)

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E > F(X)=IF(TIMEVALUE(D2)−TIMEVALUE(C2)<0,DURATION(0,0,D2−C2+24,0,0,0),D2−C2)
F doesn't work. I can't think of a way. Any substitute? This is really important. Our way of estimating duration of travel (D-C), which is weird because we need E before we can "estimate".
G > F(X)=TIME(24,0,0)−(B2−A2) but is showing 23:16 (24:00-23:16 = 0:44!!!). Remove "TIME", it shows 968904:44.
- what will happen if B < A? will I get a negative time (which i want to see). also, when D < C (eg. D = 2:20, C = 14:40), it says "Duration units were removed."
Thanks.

you can try this:
E1=D1−C1
F1=CEILING(DUR2HOURS(E1), 5÷60)
G1=IF(ABS(B1−A1)≥"0m", "+", "−")&B1−A1

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