Some IPTC fields 32 characters truncated by Lightroom

Hi,
I've got lots of images with certain IPTC fields (like "location") having length of greater than 32 characters. I'm noticing that these are being truncated to 32 characters when using "Save Metadata to File" in LR4 beta.
I'm not a metadata expert, but my understanding is that the "old" IPTC-IIM spec had character length limitations, but not XMP or "IPTC Core", which has been around for some time now. I think the following quote summarizes what I'm seeing:
Do we need to worry about older storage methods?
< snip >
This can happen several ways, but one cause is the legacy IPTC-IIM schema limits the number of characters per field. An IPTC Core field might be truncated when saved in a corresponding IPTC-IIM field. When moving back and forth between tools that only understand the legacy format and those that recognize both the newer and older formats, synchronizing the information becomes extremely important.
Source: http://www.photometadata.org/node/38
Is what I'm seeing expected? Is there some way to tell LR to allow IPTC fields (like "location") to be greater than 32 characters? Does LR3 exhibit this same behavior or is this a LR4 specific issue? (I'm not a LR3 user, considering the switch to LR though)
Thanks
Chris

If you store a 33-character text in the IPTC Sublocation field in LR, do Metadata > Save To File, and then check the metadata with Exiftool, you'll see that the IPTC:Sub-location field contains a truncated 32-character value, while XMP:Location contains the full 33-character value. This conforms to the industry standards.
The terminology is horribly confusing. In the JPEG file format, there are several sections of metadata, including EXIF, IPTC, and XMP. EXIF and IPTC are defined by older standards (cameras create EXIF metadata, and applications create and add to both EXIF and IPTC metdata). The XMP section is defined by a newer industry standard, and it was designed to incorporate all of the fields that can be stored in EXIF and IPTC; a subset of the XMP fields (a "namespace") is called the "IPTC Core" and defines fields similar to the legacy IPTC fields but without the restrictions.
A recent standard, the Metadata Working Group's Guidelines for Handling Image Metadata 2.0, defines the rules for how the three sections of metadata (EXIF, IPTC, and XMP) should be "synchronized". LR appears to mostly conform to that standard.

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My question/request for Lightroom developers: can we get some build in selectors for many of standard IPTC fields with descriptions, please? This way I would not have to spend hours each time I get a new "genre code" etc.
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Okay, I am switching from Lightroom to Aperture 2 after using Lightroom for roughly one year. Let me back up... I am trying to switch. Right off the bat, I am running into a problem that really has me perplexed... why on earth did Apple leave out certain IPTC fields, but leave in fields that are completely (at least in my humble opinion) useless to photography. Which fields? These are left out:
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I just fired up Aperture 2 after reading your Post, and I see this for one of my images:
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It is under EXIF - Expanded under the Metadata tab. Do you not see this?
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Thanks for pointing that out - no telling how long it would have been before I found it. Its a shame this isn't a question I posted, or I would give the "solved" points.
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Does anybody found the IPTC fields: categories, scenes and subject codes?
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kgelner wrote:
"Category" is there, as is "Subject Reference" (could be used as subject codes?). I'm not sure if there is something there Scene would map to.
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Message was edited by: ifarlow

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