Soundtrack pro or protools comparison

Soundtrack Pro or Pro tools?
What are the limitations of Soundtrack pro in comparison to protools? Specifically with regard to video production.
i.e. if you were building a studio now, would you still use protools, or just go with soundtrack?

Soundtrack Pro's main selling feature is it's integration with Final Cut Pro. So if you're building a video facility around FCP then STP is a reasonable proposition.
If however you were building a dedicated audio facility that needed to do all kinds of work, I think it would be hard to justify STP over Protools, except maybe when comparing price points.
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Just spent a frustrating day trying to record with Soundtrack Pro and Logic
Soundtrack is working on and off
Problems:
1. Even if sounds are loaded in the multitrack editor, no sound when playing. Only the Solo (S) button make a track sound. No idea what's wrong?
2. Trying to record directly into a multitrack sometimes works, and sometimes not.
3. When making another attempt to record, the noise of death appeared (same as the long thread on Logic.
Finally I just recorded in Amadeus Pro. At least that software works. It just crazy. Look I accept there is a learning curve but this s just crazy
Apple is becoming an arrogant company that is becoming more interested in creating gadgets that providing tools that work
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BenB wrote:
I've worked on both Windows and OS X (Unix), with a few apps over the years. No one can possible work with every app on every hardware configuration possible on every OS available. So to make the statement you actually have is preposterous.
That said, Logic is the most used software in project studios. Mixing engineers like ProTools better. But the two have way more market share than anything else.
Hey Ben,
Sorry to bump your fanboy applecart... (don't mean that as derogatory as it may sound, I liked the play on words)
From everything that's happening here and the west coast (USA) many of the Logic users I know have switched to other software, the two Logic studios here have gone to ProTools mainly because Logic version 8 was so unstable, there are no more Logic studios here. The studio with the most business uses a Radar system, the second busiest studio is running Sonar. There is a fellow with a mobile system using a MBP and Logic but he uses version 7.
The University here took bids 3 years ago and opted for PC/Nuendo/RME setups.
So yes, Logic may indeed have the most project studio percentage but since every jerk can download it for free what is the quality coming out of these project studios? My point is, for professionals, Logic is becoming less and less of an option, most everyone that used it professionally has been disappointed in Apples support of the product, a long time between upgrades and except for user boards like this... literally zero professional support. You know there's problems when you call up Apple and know far more about Logic than the support staff. It seems like both of those are starting to improve but I think it's a little too late. Also... there's still the "blast of white noise" problem that hasn't been addressed, no professional studio can take that kind of chance.
Apple is using Logic to sell hardware, smart business, absolutely. However, cutting the price in half, removing the copy protection and throwing in the kitchen sink plus seemingly not giving a d@mn that the program is pirated leaves a very bad taste in my mouth.
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Popping/Crackling in Soundtrack Pro

I recently bought a new Mac Pro (Dual quad 3.0 with 4 GB Memory, tyvm...) and installed STP 1.0.3; I downloaded and installed all available updates.
Problem: when I am using the program, working on a project, both the samples i am
previewing as well as the exported project (exported as a .aif file) have a crackle or popping which is quite severe- I am not clipping, ie, the output levels are OK; I checked all the audio connections (although since it happens while I'm
working on a project and just previewing clips in the browser, I realize audio connectios aren't at fault here.
I am using internal 750 gb hardrives, and have the application on hardrive 1, with my data, samples, etc, on hardrive2.
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I found this in the archives: sounds VERY similar- Could this be the problem??
If so, couldn't one just cover the openings????
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I just upgraded from Tiger to Leopard having waited for ProTools LE to be compatible with the new OS. Now that I upgraded to OS 10.5.4 and ProTools LE 7.4.2, every time I play anything through Soundtrack Pro (v2.0.2) I get clicking or popping or stuttering, whatever you want to call it, during playback. I didn't change any settings, but I'm no sound engineer, so I'm not sure what to check to see what is causing it. I can take the same file and play it through ProTools, Quicktime, iMovie, anything, and it will play fine, just not in Soundtrack Pro. I'm up to date on all software upgrades.
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My particular G5 model has a known bug. Spent over an hour online with an Apple Tech who went through several possibilities until he found the answer. The problem is the optical ports on the backside of the computer. IF they are not being used, there might be an issue with stray or ambient light wreaking havoc with the sample rate of Soundtrack Pro. I'm not making this up. The solution was to go buy a Toslink optical cable and plug it into both ports creating a loop. The sample rate clock was jumping back and forth from 44.1 kHz to 48 kHz and causing the popping when playing anything in Soundtrack Pro. Problem has been solved. It didn't appear until I upgraded to Leopard, have no idea why, but I feel better now that it wasn't something I did that I couldn't figure out.
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I haven't encountered this problem, however it sounds to me as though the waveform editor is sensing that the incoming signal is too hot & is automatically pulling down the gain to compensate and overcompensating to the point where the audio is barely intelligible.
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Select All Command (Apple) A then
Shift Command L. This gives you a window that allows you to boost the level. As the signal is so low, try 100%. If the signal is still too low do the same again. The Adjust Amplitude Filters will appear in the Actions List to the left of the Waveform. This is a nondestructive process & each Adjust Amplitude can be toggled on/off by unchecking it so that you can do a before & after comparison.
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How many of you out there, is using Logic for Post Production (or Soundtrack Pro)? I know a couple of people myself, out there using Logic Pro for Post and absolutely love it. Wanted to see if there are more of you out there and what your experiences have been with Logic Pro in the area of TV, motion picture and video sound. How is it, working in a majority Pro Tools realm? Are you finding it harder to interface with other studios, running Pro Tools?
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I find that Logic is not a substitute for Pro Tools as a post editor DAW. Having been a Logic user since 96' and a ProTools user since 92' , I cannot imagine trying to post something other than music using Logic. Of course, it could be done but, it is a matter of interchange ability and the simple editing found in Pro Tools that is easy for Post applications. Conversely, I would not be tempted to make music in a Pro Tools session,unless it was an all audio scenario without virtual midi plugins.
I love Logic for music and ProTools for post and this comes after years of messing with both in everyday real commercial environments . If you have success using Logic as a good Post audio editorial
device,then enlighten me! But,right now, I wouldn't want to make music without Logic and I would never try to mix a movie on anything else but ProTools because these are the devices I use everyday.
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Can anyone point me in the right direction please? I was hoping that the Roles facility in FCPx would enable a kind of round tripping to soundtrack pro, but so far Ive not been able to achieve getting any audio into STP. Under the import menu in Soundtrack it asks for AAF files, but FCPx does not appear to be able to export them in that format. What am I doing wrong?
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Sound engineer feedback on soundtrack pro

Hi..
the following comments are my feedback based on my job in sound engineering for tv commercials.
I love the software, nevertheless there are some features that I would love to see changed as soon as possible.
The faders' curve is so odd.. It makes them really hard to use, becouse the most important dB range, close to 0 (both up and down), have a really small room..
this way, mix precision is impossible
it looks like a classic fader with inverted curve...
same for metering and for track automation. that's really nasty.. please change it!!!
Also, metering without dB indicators is pretty annoying and many times useless (same as protools, a feature that I really hate).

I personally think that the 'Pro' suffix was a little premature. I would love to be able to use Soundtrack Pro for professional work, but it lacks so many of the features of the big guys!
Having to switch between editors to do simple fades for example, remind me of ProTools from 12 years ago. That is simply not good enough.
I would really love to know if any one is really using STPro for tv spots, documentaries etc... I keep trying, but with the lack of simple editing options found in other packages, I just keep going back to them. I mean, even LogicPro is better for spotting effects and editing 'post' audio.
I have been though the manual several times, after thinking, 'I must be missing something'.....

Soundtrack pro to pro tools

I have a project that needs to be done on pro tools but since I"m using a lot of sounds from soundtrack pro sound effects I want to do it in stp, export it, and import it into pro tools. When I export all tracks it exports the whole sound, not the edited sound. I trimmed the sound effects that were long to make it fit. How can I get stp to export the trimmed down sounds and not the whole file?

ok...
Then here is what you need to do... and it wont take long at all...
Set your marker at the VERY BEGINING of the piece. THen at the end of the piece (or end of the audio for that track)...
Then export Track 1, then Track 2, etc etc... as AIFF
Then just drag and drop each AIFF into Protools LE, the files will be laid out properly, and if you want to, you can delete the blank space / cut it out...
THats really the only option I can think of...

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Hi all. I was wondering if I can use an Mbox 2 to record audio with Soundtrack Pro, or do I have to use ProTools?

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Hi again
I'm wondering if how Soundtrack pro shapes up as a stereo editor? As I'm now Mac based I miss my old Wavelab badly and can't seem to fall in love with Peak. Also it's very expensivo!
I'm wondering if Soundtrack Pro is a comparable program and if it could become my first call stereo editor? Or maybe it is a much simpler program. I've never seen it in the flesh so would appreciate others real life experiences.

Wavelab and soundforge are both great but because I'm on a mac I am looking for something Mac based.
I have Audacity and have been using Peak but I wonder if I buy Logic Studio, will I find Soundtrack Pro to be a useable stereo edito or will I find it too simple and not powerful enough?
I also do forensic restoration and basically buying peak will cost a lot more and I wont get Logic in the deal.
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I cant find any comarison of features on the apple site!
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Is it possible to buy soundtrack pro alone...I want to do some mastering

I am also looking for some answers to this question. Can someone post some sort of feature list / comparison table? It would be great to compare Soundtrack, Soundtrack Pro, GarageBand and Logic if possible.
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Not sure if I am being clear enough...tried some searches but am not turning up much except that Apples "Pro" app won't support OMF, which is ridiculous if you ask me.
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