Space designer clicks

I am often noticing little clicks about every 10 seconds or so when using space designer. Even with one only track of Ivory running, plus even a few audio tracks do it as well. Using 10.4.3 latest pro apps and Logic 7.1. Sampling at 88kz and the meter is at about half staff. Any suggestions?
G5 2.0 Dual Mac OS X (10.4.3) Raptor drive for Ivory 4.5 gigs

Have you tried increasing the audio buffer size by one notch to see if that fixes it?

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Space designer pop and clicks

Hi guys,
I have two work stations in my studio. on my secondary wrokstation, I run a 1.8 dual powermac with the latest Logic 7.2. Ever since I upgraded to OSX 10.4.10 I'm having problems with the space designer. it starts creating clicks, pops and distortions. I know it's the space designer, because when I remove it, everythings fine again.
any idea what's wrong? help is much appreciated! thanks

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I am missing "Warped Effects within my Space Designer. Please help!!!

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Space Designer Lost all Factory presets

Can anyone figure out how to get the factory presets back into Space Designer? Somehow something got corrupted. I find the factory presets in the library but only (18 Concerts & Halls) shows up in the slide out window on the plug in itself. I have tried trashing preferences, moving all presets out & back in to library, and re-installing Soundtrack Pro onto my hard drive without any success. Space Designer is a great plug-in and the factory presets are great time savers. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Lost without my Space Designer Factory Presets.

gene6,
Here is the way I get the factory presets for Space
Designer.
1) Add Space Designer as an effect to a track.
2) Click on the "advanced..." button to show the cute
knobs and sliders.
3) Right-Click on the "IR Sample" triangle located at
the top of the big circle on the left side. (If you
don't have a two-button mouse, buy one quick.)
4) This menu says "Load IR, Load IR & INIT, or Show
in FInder. I pick Load IR.
5) This then goes to the 36 folders of Impulse
Responses in the Library so you can pick an .SDIR
file like "in the shower" inside bathrooms. Then
click Open to load it into Space Designer to try it
out on that track.
6) If you like it (or twiddle with it to where you
can use it), show the user presets and click the "+"
button to add this setting to your list of User
Presets for easy retrieval.
I still don't know if there is a place for tutorials
in this forum, but this works for me.
Hope it helps.
David
Thanks David your a wiz. this totally is the solution I was looking for.
gene6
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Bug with Space Designer EQ and Filter Envelope?

In Logic Pro X I've noticed the window below the IR waveform only shows the volume envelope information. The EQ window does not appear making it impossible to use EQ. Anyone else notice this?

Jup, I checked it out and indeed doesn't happen when you startup a project and open the Space Designer for the first time. When you close Space Designer and open it again, the bug apears. And in various ways too. Sometimes the EQ window stays fixed, eventhough I click Filter Env. Sometimes the Filter Env stays fixed, eventhough I click reverse or EQ etc.
I actually just called apple support on this. The guy from the servicedesk was actually very helpfull. He's checking if the problem still exists in 10.0.4 (which will be released soon I think?). He's going to call me back in a few minutes. I think he was able to reproduce it too, so we are definately not alone on this
Hopefully it's fixed in 10.0.4 or maybe he can at least report this bug directly to the Logic developers. I'll keep you posted!

Space Designer deconvolution

I am having problems in creating Impulse Response files. When I click on "Deconvolution" I am prompted with
"load coded impulse"
I load in the recorded sweep file. (which is longer in duration than the test file)
"load test signal"
I load in the test signal.
"save IR"
I have tried saving both to the the Soundtrack library where the other responses are stored and also to the "Documents" folder. I have also tried with and without the .SDIR extension.
I have tried having the files exactly the same length and was prompted with " recorded sweep must be equal to or longer than the test signal.
All this and no file is ever saved. Can't see in the finder and can't load in the new IR file.
HELP!!!!!!!!!
Tried this MaCBOOK PRO (1 Gig ram) and PowerBook and iMac (power PC) with the same results.
Thanks

I have searched through these posts and Logic forums, as Space Designer is also part of Logic Pro. I have found nothing on creating your own IR's.
Thanks
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Using Space Designer/Automation/Exciter/channel EQ / or Plug-in ?

Hi - I'm creating a piece which has piano (midi-keyboard) (Ivory ), Jam Pack solo flutes + English Horn, and EXS pop strings as background. There's also 1 min. of Voice Over (Audio) at the beginning. The music is polyphonic.
I'd like the final sound to be so that the solo woodwind instruments- and the piano -'stand out' from the mass of sound; a bit like the feeling of embossed note-paper, or having a halo of light around the head in religious paintings, but not as a really separate solo + accompaniment.
The piece should sound very 'immediate' and not like an ensemble playing far away in a concert hall. I've tweaked the piano sound in Ivory, to a very warm- though not fuzzy- one and will do the same for the flutes/English Horn, in Logic.
It seems that I could
1) use automation to alter the dynamics
2) use different *reverb settings* for each instrument - I like *Space Designer* and chose one: Warm Organ Cabinet with a very short reverb time (0.4s). But then I felt that a) I'd actually like a little longer reverb b) when I tried out other reverb settings the original instrumental sound changed.
3) Reading the Logic Manual, I wondered if the Exciter was suitable for this.
4) or should I use the *Channel EQ* ?
Logic has so many seeming possibilities, but perhaps there's much simpler way- an effect or Plug-In which I don't know about.
Please please pass on some ideas. I'm really enjoying the experimenting but am getting bogged down.
Thanks - as always,
Kay.

Hi Kay,
Stuff you might like to mess™ with, is the binaural panning function. You can both put things up front, to the back, above, below etc etc. Try the *Planar Mode* and its' (extra) parameters.
Clickhold the output slot of the track you want to use BiP on.
This menu appears, choose binaural:
The panpot changes in a binaural panner. If you doubleclick the knoblet, you get a floating window:
If you then click the triangle bottom right, you get some extra parameters to set:
Needless to say you can automate all those parameters if you wanted to move sound around.
Binaural panning is more CPU-taxing (it is no different than a plugin) than LR panning though, so freezing BP'd audiotracks can help if the CPU's hit the red too often, even if the track has no (other) active inserts on it.
regards, Erik.

I am having trouble using reverb of any kind; it does not sound natural, but rather "pixilated." Does anyone have any ideas for a solution? I have used Silververb and Space Designer and am having the same problem...

I am using Logic Pro 9 with two MXL 990 microphones in my piano and a Rode NT1A for vocals. I have tried recording with added reverb and keeping getting not a natural reverb sound, but a rather "pixilated" one that does not sound natural. Does anyone have any ideas on how to solve this issue? I have tried using Silververb and Space Designer, and both result in the same problems. Thank you!

This is asking for the impossible! It does not sound natural because maybe it isn't and in judging so whats your reference anyway. If you are in dire need of some natural sounding room you can go and record it yourself. But even then, the chances that it sounds like you imagined it, are very slim.
There are very decent sounding reverberation plugins, based on artificial reverb generators or convolution-style, the last one is said to sound more 'natural' then the first one. Be it as it maybe, it really is like cooking food. You got all the ingredients for this delicious taste at hand and believe it or not to reach a satisfying result this is not enough, because if you do not mix the ingredients in the right proportion you will end up with a different dish you thought you'll get. This is exactly the same when one would mix audio, I dare say.
So treat yourself to some good ingredients and the rest is up to you, namely: taste and experience!
And looking at some of my past music productions I always find the same plugins for the 'ambient' task:
Altiverb by Audio Ease when I have acoustic ensembles (classical music mostly), the Sony Oxford Reverb in studio productions, Bricasti when I have to deal with drums and MMultiBandReverb from MeldaProduction for all-round stuff. Thats the base I start from, after that I can end up with dozen Reverb plugins which basically all are doing the same thing but just in a tiny different way.

One instance of Space Designer for multiple instruments

Hi - I know that if you have - for example - four instances of an instrument all using the same Space Designer setting, you can have just one instance of the SD and use buses to send all the instruments to the same - somewhere - so they can all use it.
I've tried this but I obviously placed the SD in the wrong -somewhere - since they didn't find it.
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Thanks -Kay.

Yes, that's the way to go.
It is a shame, by the way, that names assigned to Busses in the I/O labels dialog are global to all Projects, so if you go crazy at one time and use *and name* 17 Busses for parallel compression, this naming is reflected in all other Projects too. Also, configurations in older Projects ported from V6,7,8 will vary wildly as you have refined your Templates, shifted gear, sold hardware etc. over the years. I have recently worked on a Project started in 2003, and Bus names were all over the place. It is one thing to have indifferent Bus 13, Bus 14, Bus 15 shown in the Sends, but it's a whole other dimension when all the names are wrong like Guitars, Vocals, Moreme when actually they feed Delay 1, Headphone and Drums.
You can, however, work around this limitation. After copying the *IO Labels* file from User/Library/Application Support/Logic to a safe place like +Default IO Labels+, you can change the original to your liking and then copy that to your Project folder. This way you can throw the correct file back into the AppSupp folder when you're working on that Project later. You have to restart Logic for this to take effect.
Christian

Space designer causes crash - any suggestions??

Hello people
I just started running logic 8 on a new imac and I have a big problem with space designer.
Everything will be going sweet (well kinda). I open SD and things are still fine, but if I try to open any preset then it crashes. Complete freeze, have to force quite and try again...
This also stops me from opening any of my old Logic 7 songs as I use SD on most tracks, so I guess that is what is causing it to hang...
Any suggestions?
I have tried trashing the prefs, but no joy still.
Any help greatly appreciated.
Cheers
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Impulse Response editing - Do it the right way: IRs for Space Designer

Dear fellow board members,
after doing several research on this topic and many attempts to match some Impulse Responses I finally have to admit, that a little help or insight would be much appreciated. Most of the (Beamsonic) IRs, especially the Studer and Ampeg IRs, seem to have overlength (≈ 6 sec.) and some do have "silence" at the very beginning (see picture below).
I would be thankful for a helping hand explaining me, which part of this IR is of relevant importance: Do I need the "silence" tail at the end? What should I take care of when editing such IRs as the pictured one? Would only the marked yellow area be of importance? Get rid of the red areas (beginning & end)?
As many of the IRs I do have correspond to the image above, I have to go through heavy manual editing and before doing so, your help would be much appreciated.
Does anybody have gone through this before and would like to exchange some of his material for the Space Designer (IRs + corresponding Presets)? I am looking for: EMT 250, Studer A80 Tape, other Tape Sats as well, Ampeg, Westlake Studio D, other useful top quality IRs as well.
For now, many thanks in advance for sharing interest
Vic.
Mac OS X (10.3.8)

1. You maybe want to comment on what is considered to be the
"technical right way" to achieve DAW Tape Saturation via IRs, i.e.
what makes sense and what not?
Really, there is no technical right way - all we are doing is altering our recorded audio in a way that we like - it will vary depending on your tools, your tastes, the material, the artistic intent etc...
a - Insert the Convolution Reverb right on the Audio Channel
itself with Pre/Post-Compression/EQing, etc.
I will do this if I want to process an individual channel for colour. Remember to set the effect to 100% wet.
b - Send audio to a Convolution Reverb Bus (and share w/multiple
audio channels), loss of quality, etc?
You're just sending a bunch of channels - in convolution terms, the results as far as I know will be the same if you process 10 channels indivdually and sum them, compared to if you sum the 10 channels then convolute them. Remember, convolution is a static process in most tools, including Space Designer.
How would you judge the value of using "Impulse Responses"
in comparison to "Plug-Ins"?
Well, I don't think anyone's done a tape saturation plugin properly yet. I'm not an expert in this field, but had some interesting discussions with one of the Sonalksis developers over on KVR who is heavily researching into tape saturation (he's doing a doctorate in the subject) and he thinks that it is possible to do a decent tape saturation plugin - not easy by a long stretch, but possible, so I'm sure we will eventually see decent plugs appearing.
Having said that, I'm not actually a huge fan of the tape sound anyway - I like the impulses for that colour if I need it, but I certainly don't run everything through it. I don't really like the smeared transients, at least on my "less natural" pieces. Rock music (as an example) may well work better.
The plugins that do saturation in varying amounts are a mixed bag in my opinion. A lot of people love VintageWarmer, but I'm not that keen on it (again, I'm not an "expert" by a long stretch, these are just my personal opinions).
I've had some great results using Guitar Amp Pro for saturation and warming (we're talking subtle stuff here) on drums and guitars.
There are a bunch of other plugs too, but none that I have used to tape saturation. DUY's tape does saturation, but not really accurate tape simulation *from what I have heard* - I haven't used it personally myself. Charles Dye seems to like it, anyway!
. Finally: Did anybody experiance differences in quality when
comparing Convolution Reverbs (i.e. SD vs Altiverb vs Waves) in
processing the same IR?
In general, no. Mathmatical convolution is afaiu a mathmatically "perfect" process, much like the adding of audio signals in the digital realm. As long as you know how to do the maths correctly, there should be no difference, given the same IR (it's the IR that really determines the quality of the output).
Of course, different plugs implement things differently, and have different features, but by and large, the convolution engines these things use should be generally the same.
Again, I'm no expert and haven't done exhaustive testing or anything - this info comes from discussions I have and my understanding of these processes from a DSP point of view. Other may well be able to back up or debunk what I've said, so I'll leave the floor to them now...

Slow loading of IR's in Space Designer

When i load an Impulse response in space designer, it takes at least 20-30 seconds with a frozen Logic, before it loads.
I suppose Space Designer is looking for IR's but i don't know why.
Anybody experienced the same?

Slow is not so easy to calculate...
Slow as Seconds?
Minutes?
They are original Apple IRs or from 3rd Party ones?
there is some warning message during loading?
How much free space size is in your System Hard Drive?
I hope more than 25 or better 30% free space of the total disk size!
G

Space Designer tutorial ?

Hi dears,
i need to found Space Designer tutorial files, i need for sampling a room.
Please help.
Thanks in advance.

Yes, and the method I described allows you to make a sine sweep, defining the time of the sweep, and the start and end frequencies. It's in the test oscillator, there's a button you can press called sweep. Once you have set the settings, press the button that has x1 written on it. Guess what happens... A sine sweep! If, for some reason, you don't like that method, then all of Logic's synths can create sine waves, although it will be harder to get it to sweep fully as you need to define the pitchbending and then automate it. I'm not sure it the bender will go that far...
Seriously, the way I described is the way to do it. I really suggest you have another try, as it will work.

Creating impuse resposes for space designer

Can someone shed some light on this? Theres not a great deal about this subject in the manual. Has anyone actually created their own impulse responses?

I have done, with a good level of success, a good way to figure it out is to do it with another software reverb. Say the terrible Platinumverb, play a tone sweep through it, bounce it, and bounce the dry tone sweep, then open space designer. Press the De-Convolution button, and it'll ask for the coded file, which is the wet tone sweep, then the dry tone sweep, and it'll do the rest.
You can then A/B test it and see that it sounds the same, pretty amazing really. Something you can't really do when it comes to real rooms.

Space Designer / Surround / & Pops

Could someone please check this out?
1. Open a Logic template... anyone will do (even your own customized autoload etc.)
2. Insert any audio file in the arrange, into an Audio object, preferably start the file on bar 2 (so that there is some space at the beginning with no sound).
3. Set the track to Surround Output
4. Add a Space Designer (with any reverb setting) to Bus 1 (or any bus) and set this to Surround out as well.
5. Add a send on the track you added with the audio file to send to the bus with Space Designer.
6. Start playback from Bar 1, and let the audio file start. First play should sound ok.
7. Hit the Enter key (on the keypad-left) to restart playback from bar one.
At this point, is anyone else getting a few Pops??? before the audio file starts????
-Turning OFF Latency Compensation will get rid of the problem.
-Switching the tracks back to Stereo out or mono will stop the pops.
-Deleting the Space Designer Plugin instance will also stop the pops.
What's going on???
G5 dual 1.8GHz 2.5gig Ram Mac OS X (10.4.7)

Yep, same bug here…
A 5.1 impulse on an aux, give me about 2 seconds delay…
Same song opened with 9.0.2 aren't affected

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