Strange KDE gui lag

Since few weeks i have strange problem with KDE 4.7.2, witch occurs especially when i log out and log in into other account. Some gui actions have few (20-30 seconds) lag before they take place. For example when i click KDE menu button menu is rendered after few seconds. When i click shortcut to some directory dolphin opens after few seconds.
I don't know what could be the cause of that strange behavior. Machine is quite decent - i3, 4GB RAM, GTX460.
here are logs:
boot.log
http://wklej.org/id/615554/
errors.log
http://wklej.org/id/615555/
kernel.log
http://wklej.org/id/615556/
messages.log
http://wklej.org/id/615558/
xorg.log
http://wklej.org/id/615559/
Any ideas?
If i don't switch users, it works just fine. At least at my account.

I have been noticing a similar problem of late (over the last month or so).
The lag is especially noticeable immediately after startup. The K menu is unresponsive unless I wait 20-30 seconds after logging in. After that, everything seems to run normally.
I have tried out a few different things, such as disabling desktop effects and nepomuk/strigi. None of these has helped.
If anyone has any suggestions, I would be happy to hear them...
Thanks!

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[solved] laggy crappy kde gui

Hey guys,
just did a clean install of my laptop today. I installed kde (not kdemod). Now there is a really strange behaviour of the GUI:
It seems that it doesn't refresh properly, hard to discribe. I even recognize a lag with text input or in submenues.
I installed chromium and there the problem shows even on websites: randomly it shows an empty website (which shouldn't be empty though) and when I start to hover around with the pointer the scratched item show. Same in diverse submenus in the kde config.
Note: I have compiz installed and in ccsm its the same. Tried it also with/without compiz, enabled/disabled compositing.
Extremely strange to me: neither native kde apps (e.g. konsole), websites or gtk apps (e.g. openoffice) run properly. All the same strange behaviour.
Last edited by theguzz (2010-09-01 15:53:11)

Ok, seems solved now. Intel Owners shouldt start it with
LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=1 INTEL_BATCH=1 compiz --replace --indirect-rendering --sm-disable ccp &
Last edited by theguzz (2010-09-01 15:52:16)

Automount of SD card & USB external HDD with strange KDE pop up msg

Today I reviewed lots of threads posted over the last year and some bug reports too about this issue, but it's happening for me too. Both SD card and USB external HDD have autodetectable filesystems on them because I can mount them by hand with "mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 /mnt" and "mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt". But it would be nice if I didn't have to do that.
Although I didn't notice which explicit install that I did pulled them in as dependencies, I do have udisk2 and polkit installed. Also installed udiskie as a wrapper. I've been mounting these volumes by hand before now because I feel like I'm still learning the ropes of The Arch Way and guessed (apparently incorrectly) that mounting volumes by hand was just part of "The Arch Way". But based on some threads here and some bug reports, I guess this used to work in Arch but has been causing some problems for some people lately when they upgrade. I just installed Arch for the first time (using the 2015.02.01 iso image), so I don't have any background to go on.
So what is The Arch Way for automounting external drives? I've skimmed the wiki article for this and because "Development of udisks has ceased in favor of udisks2." it seems that udisks2 is preferred. But it got installed and the daemon is running for me. The user is in the wheel group. dbus is running (though like one person who filed a bug, I too have several instances of dbus in my ps -aux output and I'm not sure if that is as it should be or not). I've done no special configuration ("not wittingly" anyway; I promise, my name is not James Clapper) that I think would have affected this.
So for a newb with no special preference, how should automounting be configured in a new Arch system? In other words, what should be my first steps in trying to solve this problem for myself? I know there are lots of different ways to skin this cat, but I'd prefer the simplest and most elegant solution that does not depend on KDE or GNOME or other unnecessary tools. I've just (with this Arch system I just installed) begun using i3wm and I think I'll be sticking with it. That said, however, it's clear that I inadvertently/unwittingly managed to get some elements of KDE into memory as the following http://gamonics.org/img/2015-02-26-1731 … _scrot.png shows. This popped up both times, when I plugged in my SD card and when I plugged in my USB drive. Any thoughts on what's going on here? I did install okular explicitly because I think it's one of the best PDF viewers, but I don't understand why KDE is reporting anything to me when I'm running i3 and insert an SD card or a USB disk.
And in the terminal, I get this output (apparently from udiskie):
[root@archippocrates archie]# Failed to show notification: The connection is closed
not adding /org/freedesktop/UDisks/devices/mmcblk0: unhandled device
mounted /org/freedesktop/UDisks/devices/mmcblk0p1 on /media/3532-3338
Failed to show notification: The connection is closed
Although the volume does get mounted automatically.
Thanks for any thoughts.
-- mod edit: read the Forum Etiquette and only post thumbnails http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/For … s_and_Code [jwr] --
Last edited by Gamonics (2015-02-27 00:25:01)

I personally can't answer the question of "simplest and most elegant" way of mounting devices. It all depends on what you want. If you expect more exotic functionality, say correct unmounting of devices if they were disconnected during a sleep cycle, there's probably no way around udisks2. For that you get a complex piece of software prone to... unexpected behaviour. Mind you some of it is related to front-ends like GVFS.
As to your KDE issues, last I checked mount handling was disabled by default there, but you can control it manually (see man kcmshell4). Though I haven't followed up on KDE 5 developments. If going with udisks2, I'd recommend using devmon from the udevil package as a front-end (more details on the wiki udisks page).
PS: multiple dbus instances are expected, check the user names and specified arguments in the ps output.
edit: grammar. :X
Last edited by Alad (2015-02-27 17:03:31)

[SOLVED] Strange KDE window decorations

updated my system and all KDE apps have now problems with window decorations. Before the update:
and after:
I tested with Oxygen, Air-Oxygen... But, if I use Kwin everything seems fine?!
My system:
Kernel: 3.12.7-2-ARCH x86_64
Desktop: KDE 4.12.1
Graphics: Card-1: Intel 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller
Card-2: NVIDIA GK107M [GeForce GT 650M]
nvidia 331.38-1
nvidia-utils 331.38-1
xf86-video-intel 2.99.907-2
Any thoughts?
Last edited by cappuccino (2014-01-19 07:35:39)

Try setting the Qt graphics system to "Raster" (system settings->desktop effects->advanced->Qt graphics system).

Strange CS4 GUI problem

If I go full screen with an image and come back to windowed view the top menu bar that contains the hand, view,rotate, arrange documents and screen mode items is lost and replaced with that part of the full screen image that was in that location. There is no way of recovering the menu bar, which is still invisibly active, unless CS4 is restarted.
Otherwise CS4 is not working too bad except for the trailing images following window movements, jerky rotate and the fact that Topaz adjust throws out of memory messages unless Photoshop memory is reduced to 700Mb.
WinXPproSP3
4Gb RAM
seperate scratch disk
Cache at 8 levels
Wacom Intuos 3 with latest driver
nVidia 8600GT with latest drivers

New associated problem that might give a clue.
I also use Capture NX2 which works fine but slow. Say I have both NX2 and CS4 open and in CS4 view an image in full screen mode then return to normal view. If I then switch to NX2 I find that some of the adjustment panels are corrupt and still contain parts of the screen image from CS4.
There seems to be no way of getting rid of the corruption except by restarting NX2. The corrupt panels still seem to be functional although their controls are invisible.
There may be other programs that use OpenGL that are corrupted in this way by CS4 full screen mode. I just haven't found them yet.
BTW Adam, disabling the couple of 3rd party plugins I have installed had nil effect.

Pkgbuild: rekall - kde db front-end (like ms access)

I finally found some time to finish PKGBUILD for non-commercial version of rekall - a database front-end similar to microsoft access. I built rekall with support for 3 types of databases:
- postgresql
- mysql
- xbase/xbsql - dbf (dBase IV and Clipper) files
Rekall also supports python scripting and it should work but I'm not a python programmer so I didn't try it :-). I built rekall with kde gui. It's theoretically possible to build it only with qt and without kdelibs but it is not advised (broken, too old, etc.)
It is also possible to build OS odbc proxy support (for accessing other databases from windows hosts for conversion, etc.) for this version of rekall but I didn't have time to test it and to build more packages. Check this page if you want to try it too http://www.rekallrevealed.org/toplevel/ … vers.shtml. Commercial version features are presented here http://www.thekompany.com/products/rekall/
It would really be nice to have a precompiled package in some repository because it takes aaaaaages to compile it. Anybody?
rekall PKGBUILD
pkgname=rekall
pkgver=2.2.0
pkgrel=1
pkgdesc="Mysql/Postgresql/dbf kde front-end with python scripting"
url="http://www.rekallrevealed.org"
makedepends=('postgresql' 'mysql' 'xbsql')
depends=('python' 'kdelibs')
source=(http://www.rekallrevealed.org/packages/$pkgname-$pkgver.tar.gz)
md5sums=('cabba34f0392f4eca0373b9c0cf6b2cc')
build() {
cd $startdir/src/$pkgname-$pkgver
./configure --prefix=/opt/kde --with-gui=kde
--enable-mysql
--enable-pgsql
--enable-xbase
sed -i "/^GETVALUE/s/;//" $startdir/src/$pkgname-$pkgver/libs/kbase/kb_options.cpp
sed -i "/Q_OBJECT/s/;//" $startdir/src/$pkgname-$pkgver/libs/kbase/kb_draglist.h
sed -i "/Q_OBJECT/s/;//" $startdir/src/$pkgname-$pkgver/libs/kbase/kb_optionsdlg.h
sed -i "s/-pedantic//" $startdir/src/$pkgname-$pkgver/libs/extra/Makefile
sed -i "s/-pedantic//" $startdir/src/$pkgname-$pkgver/libs/kdeplugins/Makefile
sed -i "s/-pedantic//" $startdir/src/$pkgname-$pkgver/db/mysql/Makefile
sed -i "s/-pedantic//" $startdir/src/$pkgname-$pkgver/db/pgsql/Makefile
sed -i "s/-pedantic//" $startdir/src/$pkgname-$pkgver/db/xbase/Makefile
sed -i "s/-pedantic//" $startdir/src/$pkgname-$pkgver/script/python/Makefile
sed -i "s/-pedantic//" $startdir/src/$pkgname-$pkgver/script/python/stub/Makefile
sed -i "s/-pedantic//" $startdir/src/$pkgname-$pkgver/parts/table2/Makefile
sed -i "s/-pedantic//" $startdir/src/$pkgname-$pkgver/parts/form/Makefile
sed -i "s/-pedantic//" $startdir/src/$pkgname-$pkgver/parts/report/Makefile
sed -i "s/-pedantic//" $startdir/src/$pkgname-$pkgver/parts/query/Makefile
sed -i "s/-pedantic//" $startdir/src/$pkgname-$pkgver/parts/copier/Makefile
sed -i "s/-pedantic//" $startdir/src/$pkgname-$pkgver/parts/component/Makefile
sed -i "s/-pedantic//" $startdir/src/$pkgname-$pkgver/parts/editor/Makefile
sed -i "s/-pedantic//" $startdir/src/$pkgname-$pkgver/parts/macro/Makefile
sed -i "s/$(LN_S) $(kde_libs_htmldir)/$(LN_S) /opt/kde/share/doc/HTML/"
$startdir/src/$pkgname-$pkgver/doc/rekall/Makefile
make || return 1
make prefix=$startdir/pkg/opt/kde install
I put postgresql, mysql and xbsql as makedependencies only. I tried running rekall without mysql and xbase/xbsql installed and It seems that it can run without them fine - just complains that libs can't be found when you try to connect to mysql database for example.
xbase PKGBUILD
pkgname=xbase
pkgver=2.0.0
pkgrel=1
pkgdesc="Library for accessing dBase .dbf, .ndx, .dbt, and Clipper .ntx files"
url="http://www.rekallrevealed.org/toplevel/getting/source.shtml"
depends=('gcc' 'bash')
install=xbase.install
source=(http://www.rekallrevealed.org/packages/$pkgname-$pkgver.tgz)
md5sums=('f3a65965af6bda221c89b2f3e1d24bb0')
build() {
cd $startdir/src/$pkgname-$pkgver
./configure --prefix=/usr --enable-static
make || return 1
sed -i "s//usr/bin/install//bin/install/g"
$startdir/src/$pkgname-$pkgver/Makefile
sed -i "s//usr/bin/install//bin/install/g"
$startdir/src/$pkgname-$pkgver/bin/Makefile
sed -i "s//usr/bin/install//bin/install/g"
$startdir/src/$pkgname-$pkgver/docs/Makefile
sed -i "s//usr/bin/install//bin/install/g"
$startdir/src/$pkgname-$pkgver/examples/Makefile
sed -i "s//usr/bin/install//bin/install/g"
$startdir/src/$pkgname-$pkgver/html/Makefile
sed -i "s//usr/bin/install//bin/install/g"
$startdir/src/$pkgname-$pkgver/libtest/Makefile
sed -i "s//usr/bin/install//bin/install/g"
$startdir/src/$pkgname-$pkgver/tv/Makefile
sed -i "s//usr/bin/install//bin/install/g"
$startdir/src/$pkgname-$pkgver/xbase/Makefile
make DESTDIR=$startdir/pkg install
I'm not sure if install is really needed - it only runs ldconfig - I just followed rpm specs for other distros.
xbase.install
# arg 1: the new package version
post_install() {
/sbin/ldconfig
# arg 1: the new package version
# arg 2: the old package version
post_upgrade() {
/sbin/ldconfig
# arg 1: the old package version
pre_remove() {
/bin/true
# arg 1: the old package version
post_remove() {
/sbin/ldconfig
op=$1
shift
$op $*
xbsql PKGBUILD
pkgname=xbsql
pkgver=0.11
pkgrel=1
pkgdesc="An SQL wrapper for xbase"
url="http://www.rekallrevealed.org/toplevel/getting/source.shtml"
depends=('xbase' 'readline')
source=(http://www.rekallrevealed.org/packages/$pkgname-$pkgver.tgz)
md5sums=('7f8c8584cf0f592660fb2653a4bfc415')
build() {
cd $startdir/src/$pkgname-$pkgver
./configure --prefix=/usr
make || return 1
make DESTDIR=$startdir/pkg install
If you find something that can be improved please post it here.

being the redevelopment of the order processing modules (as described earlier).Where are these order processing modules? MS Access just stores the data. Where is the business logic to actually process the data, interface with other business systems, etc? If all that is in Access or MS-related components too, I would stand by my earlier recommendation. You dont just "inject" HTML DB as just a front-end development platform/language, like you do for example PHP, Perl or whatever.
Given that you would like to migrate the entire system over to Oracle eventually, I think starting with the front-end is a little backwards. I would suggest using data migration tools like the Oracle Migration Workbench and stuff to migrate your data over to Oracle first and then build your HTML DB application on top of it.
Thanks.

WLC 5508 / 3750 Switch LAG Problems

Hello Forum,
for presenting to the client (customer wants to buy any Cisco) I have built up in our laboratory a WLAN environment.
The structure is composed of: - WLC5508 HA cluster (7.6.110.0) - Some AP2602i - C3750E (12.2 (55) SE3)
Which reminds me strange behavior with LAG noticed that I can not explain?
The ports of the WLCs are in the LAG mode each WLC are connected with two cables at the switch. On the switch a port-channel are configured (no LACP = channel-group 8 mode on).
Failure scenario:
Deducted on the primary controller the cable from port 1 (it goes down), the port LED turns from green to orange >>>> no impact on the system, everything remains as it is and the system continues to operate. Deducted on the primary controller the cable from port 2 (goes down), the port LED remains green. HA >>>> the backup controller takes over? Primary controller boots?
That can not be true that here changes the system to the redundant WLC. The system should, as yet just keep working at switch-switch LAG?
Is this a configuration error or a BUG? Upon request, I can gladly send the WLC and Switch configuration.
Best Regards, Alexander Weitzel

The HA kicks in when the primary looses gateway, do a small test, keep a continuous ping to WLC from its gateway as source and break one of the link in the LAG and see if you drop any packet ?

Select clob column bogs down sqldeveloper GUI

Hi,
If I select a clob field, sqldeveloper completely slows down, taking seconds (many more than usual) for any GUI even.
i.e. this bogs down sqldeveloper:
select clob_col_name
from table_containing_clob_field;
I thought this may be a memory issue (as it could be downloading the whole clob, but I did not take time to verify). However even selecting one char from the clob column makes the sqldeveloper GUI lag
i.e. even this bogs down sqldeveloper:
select substr(clob_col_name, 1, 1)
from table_containing_clob_field;
Running select '' from dual; will bring the sqldeveloper GUI back to it's normal responsiveness.
IMO this is a bug, selecting 1 char from 30 records should not slow down every GUI event in the whole application.
Should I submit a bug or does anyone want to discuss this further?
Edited by: mdaly on Jul 8, 2009 6:09 PM

What version of the Oracle database?
- Oracle Database 10g Enterprise Edition Release 10.2.0.3.0 - Prod
How is the CLOB column stored? Inline or out of line?
- CREATE
TABLE "STYLESHEET"
"NAME" NVARCHAR2(60) NOT NULL ENABLE,
"VER" NUMBER NOT NULL ENABLE,
"STYLESHEET" CLOB NOT NULL ENABLE,
"DATEADDED" TIMESTAMP (6) DEFAULT SYSDATE NOT NULL ENABLE,
CONSTRAINT "STYLESHEET_NAME_PK" PRIMARY KEY ("NAME")
How large are the clobs?
- ~40kB
Why are you using Substringing one character of a CLOB does not mean that the entire clob from every column must be read into memory.
- I was using substr to test if sqldeveloper behaved the same when 1 character from the clob was selected versus not using any substr function.
Surely Oracle version or the way the clob is stored should not affect how the sqldeveloper GUI responds after a resultset is returned?

No GUI after reboot for Oracle Linux 6 installation

I am trying to resolve an Oracle Linux 6.2 (64 bit) installation issue. I selected Oracle Linux server default setup and after the reboot, the X-Window or KDE GUI graphical
interface does not come up. Instead, I get a command line prompt. Any idea how to resolve this issue to get an Oracle Linux 6 installation with graphical interface?

875554 wrote:
I am trying to resolve an Oracle Linux 6.2 (64 bit) installation issue. I selected Oracle Linux server default setup and after the reboot, the X-Window or KDE GUI graphical
interface does not come up. There is no GUI by default on Oracle Linux 6, you need to specifically select one during install. There are PLENTY of topics about this, so perhaps try searching for an issue first, next time?

10.8.3 Fix for Logic's Unresponsive GUI issue?

Well, 10.8.3 is out with a fix for the Logic GUI Lag / Non responsive plugins.... issue
-The ability to redeem iTunes gift cards in the Mac App Store using Mac’s built-in camera
-Boot Camp support for installing Windows 8
-Boot Camp support for Macs with a 3TB hard drive
-A Fix for an issue that could cause a file URL to quit apps unexpectedly
-A fix for an issue that may cause Logic Pro to become unresponsive when using certain plug-ins
-A fix for an issue that causes audio to stutter on 2011 iMacs
-Includes Safari 6.0.3
First reports are very encouraging with the one remaining client of mine who had this issue, reporting back a successful fix and no sign of the issue at all after updating this afternoon.
As I however, never had this issue myself on any of my systems here, I cannot personally confirm if the fix actually works this time or not, but please add your own experiences to this thread and hopefully this is the good news many users have been waiting for.
Cheers..

Here is the full list of fixes in 10.8.3 and Safari 6.0.3
Mountain Lion OS X 10.8.3
- The ability to redeem iTunes gift cards in the Mac App Store using your Mac’s built-in camera
- Boot Camp support for installing Windows 8
- Boot Camp support for Macs with a 3 TB hard drive
- A fix for an issue that could cause a file URL to quit apps unexpectedly
- A fix for an issue that may cause Logic Pro to become unresponsive when using certain plug-ins
- A fix for an issue that may cause audio to stutter on 2011 iMacs
- A fix for an issue in Contacts that may cause cards to print out of order
- A fix for an issue that may cause the desktop picture to change after logging out or restarting
- A fix for an issue in Messages that may cause messages to appear out of order after waking from sleep
- A fix for an issue that may cause the screen to display incorrectly after waking from sleep
- Improves compatibility with IMAP servers in the Notes app
- Allows the Slideshow screen saver to display photos located in a subfolder
- A fix for an issue in Contacts that may cause addresses to print in the wrong location
- Reliability improvements when using a Microsoft Exchange account in Mail
- Xsan reliability improvements
- A fix for an issue that could cause Active Directory accounts to be locked out after accessing the Security & Privacy pane in System Preferences
- A fix for an issue that could cause link aggregation to not complete after a restart
- A fix for an issue that could cause delays when logging into an Active Directory account on high latency networks
Safari 6.0.3
Safari 6.0.3 is included in the OS X Mountain Lion v10.8.3 Update and contains fixes that improve performance, stability, and security, including:
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- Improves scrolling while zoomed in on a webpage
- Improves performance on webpages with plug-in content
- A fix for an issue that could cause the inaccurate appearance of an alert that bookmarks can’t be changed
- A fix for an issue that could cause duplicate bookmarks to appear on an iOS device after editing bookmarks with Safari in OS X
- A fix for an issue that permitted users to access unfiltered search results when searching from google.com when Parental Controls are enabled
- A fix for an issue that could prevent Safari from restoring the last position on a webpage a user navigated back to
Note:
As always,
Please backup your current System Hard Drive before installing this update. I would suggest you use a Hard Drive Cloning program such as Carbon Copy Cloner or SuperDuper! (rather than rely on Time Machine backups) for ease of reverting back to your current setup should things goes awry after updating.

KDE theming inconsistent since qt5 apps

I have really strange KDE theming going on and have tried several things without any of them working.
Firstly I'm using i3, with some KDE apps.
I think the issue is kde5 apps in i3 refuse to get any widget/theming applied. I've tried breezy, oxygen etc.
Basically apps like:
- clipper
- konsole
- kate
- systemsettings5
http://ibin.co/1rvQsUchNttb
http://ibin.co/1rvRBXQpoyfD
Are missing their KDE themes/widget/fonts/colors etc. Specifically:
- Missing icons next to the button
- Font settings are ignored
- Color settings
- Save as dialog, looks just horrible and wrong
Apps that are working:
- kontact
- krusader
I'm pretty sure I tried installing the whole of plasma-meta and applying the theme.
But I'm willing to try whatever again to fix this.
Any ideas?

divansantana wrote:
Goresome wrote:It fails to read settings because it doesn't believe you are in kde. Try setting DESKTOP_SESSION=kde (or plasma)
Excellent thanks, one step in the right direction.
Never had to do this in kde4..., must be a qt5 thing...
I don't necessarily want to set this globally.
It's currently set to i3-with-shmlog
Hmm, I'll try think of a nice way to set it for certain qt5 apps.
Is there a qt5 config file where I can set this env variable?
I'm not aware if qt5 even has config file, however here is the root of evil:
static inline QByteArray detectDesktopEnvironment()
const QByteArray xdgCurrentDesktop = qgetenv("XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP");
if (!xdgCurrentDesktop.isEmpty())
return xdgCurrentDesktop.toUpper(); // KDE, GNOME, UNITY, LXDE, MATE, XFCE...
// Classic fallbacks
if (!qEnvironmentVariableIsEmpty("KDE_FULL_SESSION"))
return QByteArrayLiteral("KDE");
if (!qEnvironmentVariableIsEmpty("GNOME_DESKTOP_SESSION_ID"))
return QByteArrayLiteral("GNOME");
// Fallback to checking $DESKTOP_SESSION (unreliable)
const QByteArray desktopSession = qgetenv("DESKTOP_SESSION");
if (desktopSession == "gnome")
return QByteArrayLiteral("GNOME");
if (desktopSession == "xfce")
return QByteArrayLiteral("XFCE");
return QByteArrayLiteral("UNKNOWN");
qtbase src/platformsupport/services/genericunix/qgenericunixservices.cpp
When its UNKNOWN it simply fallbacks to Fusion.
Last edited by Goresome (2015-02-19 09:46:41)

Issue removing kde

Hi, I'm a new Linux user, having never installed Linux or used it up until a few days ago. Seems pretty simple and I'm picking it up quickly, but I'm having trouble getting rid of the KDE GUI. I've removed it from the daemons portion of rc.conf and I've commented it in the xinitrc file so that when I boot I'm just at the prompt and after logging into root I type in pacman -Rsn kde (also tried -R & -Rs) and it tells me:
"error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies)
:: libkipi: requires kdelibs"
What exactly am I doing wrong here? Must I skip dependancy checks or do -c to remove the offending packages that rely on kde?
Thanks for any assistance

Might be some odd glitch in pacman but I haven't run across this type of thing since i've not used kde in arch for a long, long time. I installed and uninstalled kdemod not so long ago with no problems but that's a customized form of kde so probably not relevant.
Edit: you sure you didn't install digikam or gwenview before kde as far as I can see kipi is image plugins mostly for kde. Who knows?
Last edited by bgc1954 (2008-04-26 15:41:57)

Some strange dependencies

hi all. I use gnome but i need k3b. So i installed it but pacman given me some other strange KDE packages that i can't remove with pacman -R (it says me that it can't fount that package in database): These packages are, for example, akregator, kmail, knetattach, knode, korn, ksysguard....
How can i remove them and hol only k3b?

jacopastorius wrote: These packages are, for example, akregator, kmail, knetattach, knode, korn, ksysguard....
These are just apps not actual packages. You'll need to remove the packages that they belong to.
pacman -R kdebase kdepim
will remove the apps that you listed. I don't know how they were installed (did you do 'pacman -S kde'?) as they are not dependencies for k3b.

My thoughts (and yours too!) about Arch (I'm in love already!)

Hello all! I suppose I would be called a newbie to Arch, but certainly not to Linux. I've been running Gentoo for five months. If I were running, say, Ubuntu for five months, I would probably still be considered a newbie, but five months of Gentoo has made me pretty proficient at Linux.
I (if you haven't guessed yet) am a Gentoo user , and it seems like there are a lot of Gentoo users who go to Arch. That's how I heard about it, through the Gentoo forums. I am currently looking for backups in case Gentoo comes crashing to the ground. I was perfectly content in my little bubble of happy compiling until I learned about the unrest inside of the Gentoo community. I never realized that things were in such bad shape... like a downward spiral. The result cannot be good. I feel like I'm on a sinking ship and am praying for my life here. I've seen a lot of threads at the forums lately like "If Drobbins fork Gentoo, will you follow him?" and "Will you stay with Gentoo if the Foundation is handed over to a 3rd party?" I find these a little unsettling! I understand that the Foundation is a terrible state right now, and the founder's attempt to get it back has failed, so now I don't things are going to head up. So I've started to face facts, that I better have some backup plans so that I'm not starting over from square 1 when this all burns to the ground (hopefully if, not when, because I like Gentoo and really don't want to have to give it up). Now I admit that I don't like EVERYTHING about Gentoo, but I like almost everything, and Arch seems to be like Gentoo in many respects.
Some of my personal desires in a distro:
1.Bleeding edge with rolling updates (and thus no need to ever reinstall the distribution)
2. A large repository for the package manager
3. Not a newbie distro... a distro for those who like the command line and to do things themselves
4. Good community
5. Customizable
6. The ability to choose between a stable and unstable package on a per-package basis
7. Install from source
Arch seems to satisfy 1,3, 4, and 5 correct? And pretty well satisfies 2, though I can see its package manager is not as big as Gentoo (though bigger than like Slackware).
I guess for the most part it doesn't satisfy 6 and 7 though, right? I realize that AUR is source-based, but on the whole, Arch is binary, so I'm referring to the overall tendency of the distribution.
Is there the ability to choose between stable and unstable packages though, to be as bleeding-edge as possible? (I'm thinking no but thought I'd ask)
Many other distributions such as Ubuntu probably wouldn't meet my needs at all. They seem to have a great repository and community, but I just don't want a GUI-based distro. The truth is, I want to feel like my computer needs me. It's my baby. XDDDD Okay, that's pretty sad, especially because it's a Pentium II (I can't WAIT to get my new laptop!!!!!!!!!!!), but I appreciate my Gentoo box way more than our Windows box upstairs, a lot of that having to do with the work I had to put into it to get it working correctly, and all that I had to learn. It makes me appreciate it a lot more, and it makes me a lot better at solving problems. (If it ain't broken, why not break it so you can fix it? XD)I don't want a distro that does everything for me; I won't feel needed anymore. Plus, I'm addicted to the command line. I have a window manager, sure (Thunar with Xfce), but I mostly still use the command line to view my files. Sometimes I don't even start up X (I never start it up by default) and am just as efficient as when I have it open. I insist on knowing how to do everything manually... when I wanted to make keyboard shortcuts for X, I chose to use xbindkeys rather than use the GUI with Xfce, so I could do it manually and still have it working if I ever switched desktop managers. I manually edit pretty much ALL my config files and, like I said, I am just as efficient without the GUI as I am with it. I can't go five minutes in GUI without having a virtual terminal open. So I think, in these respects, Arch would meed my needs quite well, just as Gentoo does now. I have deiced to try out Arch now anyway, regardless of the state of Gentoo, because you know, i might just like Arch better. I know a lot of Gentoo users have said they've gone to Arch. I'm trying to get my friend Evan to let me use his 8 gb hdd to try it on, because my current 6 gig drive for Gentoo is like... 99 percent full (I swear, I'm not kidding, I have 100 mg left, I REALLY have to prune XD), so once I get it, I'm going to install Arch (after unhooking my /home hard drive because I only have two slots for hard drives, and they're both already filled! I will probably end up moving the /home directory onto that 8 gig drive anyway. I realize it's hard to share things between distros, but I will at least be able to have a place to put files for both distros in the same place and would probably end up symlinking some same location to my desktop for both distros
Okay, now I'm just ranting. Back to point! I'm definitely going to try out Arch, and so far I like what I see. I even recommended it to a friend who is also thinking of leaving Gentoo (for Ubuntu, so he can support his amd64 processor). I pointed out Arch64 and he's considering it. I don't think he'd like Ubuntu any more than I. He originally used Slack and only switched to Gentoo because Slack really doesn't have a good package manager. I think he'd like Arch as well.
I've also done research on other distributions someone like me might like (especially coming from Gentoo).
This is my current list:
Arch Linux
Frugalware (based on Arch, right?)
Zen Walk
Vector Linux
CRUX (I'm leaning away from this one, as of now)
Lunar
Source Mage
Sorcerer
FreeBSD (but I've decided not to go with FreeBSD, as much as I like installing from source, because their philosophy of stability over currentness (like not having flash 9 because it's not "stable") just doesn't fly with me.. Linux is better for me, I think)
LFS.. okay, not really, but if I ever have a weekend when I'm REALLY bored.........
I've used Slack before but I would prefer to have a package manager, so I'm steering away from that direction, as much as I liked Slack.
Have I missed any other distros people in this sort of mindset like us might like? ^_^
My primary focus right now is Arch, and it's definitely my first preference as far as switching goes.
I think my biggest problem with Arch is that I REALLY like to compile everything from source (or at least, have Portage do it for me :-p), so I"d miss that. Especially USE flags. However, Source Mge/Lunar/Sorcerer don't sound as good as Arch, and FreeBSD just... isn't my thing. Their package manger seems great, it's their overall philosophy I disagree with.
This post really isn't asking for help with anything, but isn't that fine? This is just the Arch Linux General Forums, right? I just wanna talk about Arch as compared to other distros. I've wiki-ed it some, but I just think it's a fun thing to discuss.
So what things do you guys like better about Arch, and what things do you like better about Gentoo, or maybe about some other good distros?
I can't wait to try out Arch; I'm so excited! No Xubuntu for me! ^___________^ (Gnome and ESPECIALLY KDE would lag far too much for this computer)
-Megan M-

Well, I technically have 14 gigs... I have the 6 gig and a 4 gig which has /usr/portage (the portage tree probably takes up so much space it would outweigh any space saved through USE flags XD) and /var/tmp, since that can get huge while compiling and I don't have space on the 6 gig for the fluctuations in space... I had to install the binary for OpenOffice just because the temporary space required to compile it was bigger than the space I had on my hard drive!!!!and I actually have so little space left I am permanently using a ext3 formatted flash drive as my ~/Desktop (it's in my fstab and everything XD!) This gives me 4 extra gigs for all my stuff.
But anyway, just you people answering this thread so nicely confirms my feelings about the Arch community. I can easily see a thread like this simply being ignored on the Gentoo forums, or just merged with other threads. >.<
Actually, to be honest, most pakcages I am running unstable on Gentoo had to do with compile errors and such, or some feature not working correctly in the older version. The only ones that I just wanted to run unstable are.. lemme check my /etc/portage/package.keywords... Skype and Pidgin. And possibly Mplayer too, I was thinking of. Everything else was either because of problems or of it being in the Sunrise overlay (everything in there is masked as unstable since it's not an official part of the Portage tree).
How easy is it to get an older version of a package? I ask because I want Flash 9.0.48.0-r1, NOT 9.0.115.0. The newer one made my Firefox commit suicide and just close with an error when I viewed certain pages (youtube, etc. was fine, but even going to www.adobe.com made it crash *irony*). Gentoo forum users told me that then newer one was unmasked because of a security flaw found in the older one, but for me, I'd rather take my chances with the hole than have firefox crash every five minutes!!!! Is there any way to specify not to update a package either, for when you do a world update (or whatever they are called in Arch)? This also has to do with Flash... I'll give the newer one a try... maybe it was just a Gentoo issue... but if not, I'm DEFINITELY downgrading!
I like how easy it seems for Arch users to add packages to AUR so they are available to others... this is harder to do on Gentoo, despite that everything is source-based. It's most like there is a wall between the users and the developers that cannot be broken easily. This seems like a good way to let users have a little fun in the developer's world without *being* one.
One last question while I'm here.. my other friend who I sugested Arch to... I just want to confirm that Arch would support his CPU. He said to me:
"Oh, and my CPU arch is amd64 / x86-64 / emt64-t
thechnically its em64t since its an intel CPU but i am running a k8 optimized system (because I used to have a opteron)"
^_^
PS: Your forums may be smaller than those of Gentoo, but that is not necessarily a disadvantage. There is like a perfect size, I think. You can be too small OR too big... with bigger forums, it is so much easier for a thread to just get buried if no one can answer it right away, even though someone else might be able to but will never see it because it's already buried. This happened to me in the Ubuntu forums. I obviously do not run Ubuntu but posted a question there regarding mtpfs with a particular MP3 player, because I figured the forums were large enough that I'd get at least a few people with the same mp3 player and they could tell me their experiences with the program. HA! Instead, I just got 0 replies and it was simply buried. With forums, bigger isn't *always* better, imo.
PPS: What is your policy on patching the source code? For example, GTK+ recently deprecated a few features that TiLP(1 and 2) depends on. The source code will now not compile. I made a patch for it to fix it (I was supposed to submit that ebuild two days ago... grah, I really should do it tomorrow!), for otherwise it just gives errors. If it is TiLp2 you have in the repository, it is literally as simple as adding one line in the source code (and is the fix the developer himself recommended), but Gentoo did not even notice and kept the source code in the tree the same even though it would no longer compile! @_@ This kind of ticked me off, personally, which is why I have to submit that patch tomorrow! ha ha
Last edited by violagirl23 (2008-01-24 06:00:10)

Want to get my new HP-ENVY-k073 Back to Clean PC State

I don't like Windows, except for Win2kPro, and the more they change it, the less I like it. When I first got this laptop, which is last week, it drove me crazy with the rapid shifts from one view to another, and it is a hard drive hog, so I decided to replace it with Ubuntu 14.04, which being a variation on Linux, is completely free. I use it sucessfully on my older but less capable laptop and desktop. So I booted from an external usb DVD/CD drive to a LiveCD (actually a LiveDVD) image I had downloaded and burned to a DVD, and got Ubuntu installed in place of Windows 8.1. I was able to boot up and run Ubuntu fine. But then I needed to copy a usb HDD drive's contents to the new laptop's HDD so as to free up the usb HDD to allow me to reformat it as an ext4 drive, and replace the corrupted NTFS file system on it. The only tool that would tackle the NTFS drive was chkdsk.exe, and I had to run that off my wife's laptop with Win7 on it. Win8.1 proved too difficult to work with, which is why I gave up on trying to run chkdsk.exe from it when I first got the new laptop. Chkdsk.exe "fixed" some file and folder issues, but finally failed when it ran out of clusters to remap the drive's contents to. At least it appeared to give me back access to the dtored folders and files there, but appearances can be misleading. There was a lot of cross-threading there that spoiled things going forward. So, using a terminal in Ubuntu on the new laptop, I made some command line entries: mkdir ~/tmpdrive: sudo cp -rfp /media/oldefoxx/My\ Passport/* ~/tmpdrive/ The My\ Passport drive had already been mounted by clicking on it under Places in the GUI. So it started copying all the folders and files from the "My Passport" (usb HDD ) to the new /home/oldefoxx/tmpdrive folder, a process that would take hours. So I set it aside and went on to other things with my older laptop. And then I slept. The sudo statement? Gave me super-user powers for that one command. Dealt with any folders and files that I, oldefoxx, might not have access to otherwise. The cp command? Unix shorthand for the word "copy". I could have used mv ("move") in its place, but I allow for human error and leave the original in its place for later efforts in case something goes wrong. The -rfp flags on the cp command? r means reiterate (repeat) for each subfolder and file found within. f means force the replacement of any filder or file that has the same name on the destination end. p means preserve the owner/group/user flagged bits associated with the different folders and files being dealt with. Otherwise, everything gets reflagged as being "root" (what my temporary super-user status marks me as). On reviving the darkened screen (happens after a certain timeout period), I was unpleasently surprized to see I had completely run out of hard drive space on my new laptop, so the copy over was incomplete. Run out of hard drive space? No way!. I had a bit over 620GB of contents on that usb HDD, and way more than that on my new laptop! What went wrong? Two things: (1) Unfortunately, instead of just manually deleting and recreating my new ext4 and swap partitions, I had left it to the installer to do it for me, and with Ubuntu 14.04, it now recommends using a LV approach, which is suppose to simplify future partitions moves and relocations. So I allowed this, and that made the new format more bulky than I had allowed for. I won't make that mistake again. (2) The real space eater though turned out to be that chkdsk.exe had cross-threaded files and folders among each other, so that both folders and files were showing up all over the map of the usb HDD drive. The total apparent drive space required to hold all these as separate entities must have been not only gigantic (multi-Gs) but possibly tremendous (into the T's). No wonder I had not only run out of destination drive space, but had reaced zero bytes left. I had access to Ubuntu's GUI still, but with no drive space left, there was nothing I could do. To see if it would help, I decided to first do a reboot. Ubuntu came up, but gave me no login screen. So I decided to reboot to a LiveCD. But that didn't work, because the LiveCD has to build some temporary map structures somewhere, and apparently instead of using a temporary RAM (Random Access Memory) structure in memory, it must go to the internal hard drive, which at this point is so full that it won't permit this. So the LiveCD approach failed. I decided to just try and recover part of what I had had already copied over later, and just go ahead and wipe the My Passport drive of its contents and use my older laptop to run LiveCD and install Ubuntu to it, along with a complete reformat of the drive as ext4. I did that, but this effort was flawed in two respects: (1) I got the install done okay, but the install made the usb HDD the primary boot drive for GRUB2, while GRUB2 did not allow for the fact that a usb HDD is non-permanent. My old laptop lost the ability to boot when the usb HDD drive was not connected, and the usb HDD drive did not have GROB2 on it to serve as a stand-alone bootable device. I had to use two new sets of terminal commands to take carfe of this. With the usb HDD drive attached, I booted up on my old laptop,and did this in the terminal window: sudo grub-install /dev/sda sudo update-grub sudo grub-install /dev/sdb sudo update-grub That took care of it. With or without my usb HDD being attached to my old laptop, it is now bootable. the /dev/sda is how my first internal hard drive is identified. Since I only have one internal drive, my usb HDD drive becomes the next lettered drive, or /dev/sdb. Haf I two internal drives, it would be /dev/sdc, and so on. In Unix and Linux, drives are treated as folders under the /dev folder (dev being shorthand for devices). When a user mounts a device, it is added to the mounted devices list kept under /media/[username] folder. When a user is created, they get a new folder under /home and a new one under /media (in earlier times, they used /mnt instead of /media, and mnt stands for mount). There is a file named /etc/fstab that identifies what devices are mounted sutomatically whenever the system boots up.As super-user, you can make changes to this table file, but screw up, and you can make your system unbootable. All this seems aside from the point of this post. At some point, my new HP ENVY 17-k073 became unbootable. I can't get to it any more, though I;ve tried F9 (select boot device), F10 *BIOS Setup), ESC, and every other function key to try and make progress. EXC brings up a mini-grub, but I don;t know how to use it. I can type in help but the list seems endless, and I can't see most od it before it goes off screen. Working with the part I can see, I can see what a few commands say, but in most cases I don;t have enough insight to know what parameter(s) to supply. It does tell me that hd0 (hdo,msdos) has errors, but so apparently do the internal and usb CD drives. If I want to do a boot, I have to load the kernel first, but it doesn't tell me how to load the kernel. There is a lot I am missing here, and this might be the one tool at my disposal to deal with it, and I don't know how. Under F9, of devices I can pick from, is listed my old My Passport designation, but that's no longer available. I see no way to add usb-ext4 as a choice to this brief list. None of the choices shown are bringing my new laptop to life again. The one I really haven't explored at length involves the internal CD-ROM drive, for two reasons: (1) It is extremely difficult to get the drive tray to extend. Probably the flimiest thing on this Laptop, aside from getting the battery pack to properly latch in and not drop out. (2) When I could get the tray to extend and put a LiveCD in it, the PC refused to boot from it. I' can use this LiveCD elsewhere and it does it's thing, but on this laptop, it won't. I've tried other LiveCDs with no better success. But it did finally read from the usb DVD/CD RW frive for my initial install of Ubuntu. I wonder id I have a bad DVD/CD RW drive in this thing? What can I do about that? I've only had this HP EMVY 17-K073 drive three days now, taking delivery on this last Thursday, and it is now only Sunday. Anyway, I'm in a tight spot here, and want to get back to one of a few possible states here. The first one is my first choice: (1) Be able to boot from my usb-connected usb-ext4 HDD so that I can recover my transferred folders and files from the crammed-full 17-K073 drive first. (2) Be able to reboot from my externally-connected DVD/CD RW drive so that I can reattempt a complete reinstall of Ubuntu, even though this means losing my hord of stored folders and files in the process. (3)

I appreciate the thought. But as you say, that means getting into the guts of the laptop, and that should not be necessary. No, the real trick is to get the PC back into boot form somehow. I spent quite a bit of time on a support chat session last night, and though reluctant to help me at first (I had wiped out Windows 8.1, and they were disinclined to deal with a 3rd party OS), I convenced them it was now a hardware issue. That is, how to get the PD to recognize one of three boot sources if it was not going to boot up to the internal hard drive. It had to be something related to using F9 and/or F10 function keys. So we went through some of the functions of the function keys during the black screen phase of the boot process. I found out that F1 gives you information about this particular laptop, including the derial number, that F2 allows me to test memory, check the hard drive, or pick a different language. F9 lets you select a specific device to use during bootup. The oriblem was, F9 was showing the usb hdd selection as being specific to my wd (Western Digital) My Passport 0748 drive, and it now had a different name and assigned UUID due to having been reformatted from NTFS to ext4. I had to get rid of that specific drive reference, and F9 gave me no way to do it. It had to be somewhere in the Systems Settings, which are accessed via the F10 key. But I had already looked at the boot device order in the Systems Settings, and it was okay, and tried both with and without the legacy boot option. Still no go. Support gave me a few more ideas to try, but it was real late, I was tired, so I elected just to use F3 and text the built-in SSHD during my rest period (SSHD stands for Solid State Hard Drive, which is an excellent feature of this laptop, as mechanical hard drives wear out and develop problems over time). So when I woke up today, I hoped the changes made earlier would help. They didn't. I turned Legacy support back on, and tried to get the LiveCD to load properly from thr internal DVD/CD drive. This time it worked. I'm up running on the LiveCD, and tried an install, but somehow that got hung, so I just rebooted back to the LiveCD and went into Try mode, which is much like the real thing, but mostly isolated from the existing hard drives. I had to figure out how to look for any existing files on my internal HDD so that I could copy them back to the reformatted My Passport drive, now renamed usb-ext4. The search for existing hard drives under Ubuntu begins under /dev, but the LiveCD treats the devices there somewhat differently than normal. It adds a subfolder /mapper in which it keeps files that somehow manage the process, and I don;t have a clue as to how to use those files myself. But I know Ubuntu well enough to know that there is a folder named /media under which a logged in user appears by name, and when I checked with a "dir /media/" command, the LiveCd had me down as being "ubuntu". That was my username when using the LiveCD. When I did a "dir /media/ubuntu/", I saw four listings. Two were HDDs that were being identified via their UUIDs, so had about 16 mixed characters that uniquely identify each. And I had cdrom and usr-ext4. I did a change directory to the first long UUID name by typing in "cd /media/ubuntu/" then doing a screen copy-and-paste to put one of the UUIDs after the last slash ("/"). In terminal mode, copy-and-paste are slightly different than found in similar operations else where. First, what gets copued has to be highlighted with the mouse and left button held down. When you have the exact area you want to go to the clipboard highlighted, you hold down the Ctrl+Shft keys together and press the "C" key. Now it is in the clipboard. Then you use Ctrl+Shft again and press the "V" key. The copied text in the clipboard is then copied to the place on the command line where the cursor sits. Press Enter, and you have changed directories to that point. A '"dir" commanf now shows you the contents of the root folder on that drive. The contents of the first drive were not what I needed, so I repeated this process to get to the root of the 2nd HDD. This had the recognizable folders for Ubuntu in it, so this was the drive I had installed Ubuntu to, and I then used a repeat of the "dir" and "cd" commands ro walk up the home > username > foldersought > folderfilestore, where rhe username, foldersought, filderfilestore are simply representing the actual names used. When I got to folderfilestore, I was refused oermisson to enter. This happened in the GUI as well. Well, where the users may be balked, root or super-user have no problem. LiveCD does not permit you to log in as root, but in Terminal mode, you can become super-user by typing in :sudo -s" or "sudo su" and pressing Enter. From the LiveCD, you don;t even have to enter a password. I mean you are just there. To avoid further folder and file disputes over priveleges, I used the following command: "chown -R nobody:nogroup " and stuck the name of the folderfile store on the end. In a few moments, that folder and everything it contained had all priveleges revoked. Now I could selectively go through this folder from the GUI and eliminate needless or unwanted folders and files, while merging the remaining on the separate storage partition I had previously formatted on the externally connected HDD that had been My Passport. Why am I going into such detail? Because this is what you can do with a LiveCD of any distro of Linux, and you can do it all with free software that you download off the internet. I just prefer Ubuntu, because it is widely supported and most like Windows in terms of its Gnome or KDE GUIs. That means less relearning. Anf the magic that Linux is, is (1) Better, faster, smaller than Windows, (2) Completely free, (3) able to work with Microsoft volume and file formats so you don't lose everything you already have, and (4) Even run some MSDOS and Windows programs via an add-in named Wine, which is also free. You can get recovery disks for Windows, but I find having a LiveCD another effective way to deal with lots of problems. Like now, I am using it to work around a crammed hard drive problem so that I can reformat the internal drive, reinstall Ubuntu from the same LiveCD, and keep on going. I can reinstall from a Live CD without disturbing my existing account or the files already there. Or I can take over the whole drive and erase everything on it. Or I can install Ubuntu along side the existing operating system (no me though. I have no use or regard for any Windows version pass XP). Or you can install Ubuntu to run as a client of Windows (some like it this way). Or you can install a VM in your existing OS and install Ubuntu in a Virtual Machine client, which isolates it pretty well from the external world. To a lot of people, Windows is it. You need go no further, except to buy the next major release coming out of Microsoft. The biggest part of MS' profits is not enhancing existing Windows, but coming up with something a bit newer, better, or offering more features than is already on the streeets in the form of an earlier version of windows. That is profiting off ofr having created a large worldwide dependency on Windows, and just catering to people's desire to do more and more things, like fingerprint recognition, touchscreen, webcam, and playing DVDs on your PC instead of via a player attached to your TV. You can even attach your PC to the TV via a an HDML port to turn your PC into a media center. I mean this is all do-able, but why would you want to? What you are really buying into is the idea that the PC can do anything, but it takes Windows to make it happen. So you have to buy newer, faster, bigger PCs as Windows gets bigger, more bloated, and more demanding on storage space and required memory. If I buy a PC, (and this new laptop qualifies), I don't pay attention to whether it comes with Eindows 7 Pro, Windows 8, 8,2, or 8.3. I'm going to trash all that anyway. And MS' enticement, that I can have a free upgrade to Windows 10 is not something I need to hear. The ubuntu (and other Linux distros) community is worldwide and people help each other through forums. Support for Windows is not so lavished, and while some of it is free to visit and download from, you find that technical support is of the pay-extra kind or of the as covered by the warrantee nature. I won't close this thread yet. I'm at the start of a lengthy copy-reformat-reinstall-recopy effort, and just because I can boot up from a LiveCD and do some of it does not mean that I will find the PC able to boot from the internal drive when the reinstall is complete. Until then, it is a play it by ear effort still.

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