Table Relation with Payment and Invoice of Vendor

Hi all,
     I have one question about Table Relation with Payment and Invoice of Vendor.
     the scenario is.
     2 Purchase Order number : 100000001/100000002
     1 Invoice document number : 200000001 which include 2 Purchase Order.
     1 Payment document number : 300000001
     How should I found out table relation from Payment document number - Invoice document number - Purchase Order number. ?
      I try to link the following table, but it does not work.
      RBKP     *     Invoice Receipt
      RSEG     *     Invoice Receipt document line item
      BKPF     *     Accounting Document Header
BSEG     *     Accounting Document Segment
PAYR          Payment Medium File
BSIK          Accounting: Secondary Index for Vendors
BSAK          Accounting: Secondary Index for Vendors (Cleared Items)
BSIS          Accounting: Secondary Index for G/L Accounts (Open Items)
Does any one know about it ?
Regards
KY Chuang

Hi Venkatesh,
Thnx a lot for the reply. This has almost solved my problem, however there's one thing left. when I'm trying to take a print out after exporting the info into an excel sheet, the information really looks scattered, i.e., is there a way where we can go ahead and get the info in a rather unscattered manner.
I've tried to take a print directly without actually transferring the info into an excel sheet, then each of the vendor is printed in a separate page, which again they feel is a problem.
So, if you have an idea pls suggest.
Thnx again for the information.
regards
sandhya

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