Tags/Captions and Flickr Upload w/ PSE4

Not sure if this is a PSE problem or a Flickr problem, figured I'd ask here first to see if anyone else uploads to Flickr.
I caption and tag my pictures in PSE, then do a "write tags to file". When I upload those pictures to Flickr (using the Flickr Uploader), maybe 95% do not have a caption, and 5% does. The difference with that 5% is that those are pictures I've edited within PSE multiple times. It seems like either my PSE captions aren't getting saved with the rest of the pictures, or Flickr isn't pulling them.
Anyone have any experiences either way or ideas? Please tell me there's a way to fix this.

Initially I imagine it not being integrated directly into PSE. In other words it wouldn't be a drop down in the share button toolbar. I've done a little bit of research and poked around in the data files and haven't found a way that I could integrate it just yet but I'm still looking. This would definitely be cool to do.
When you say, "ability to chose to send tags and captions with the pictures without having to write tags to the original file," I assume you mean not writing to the meta data of the image? Here's a quick step-by-step overview of how I imagine the app working that should hopefully clarify this point as well as make it more clear how I imagine the app running.
Let me preface the description by saying I would try and write the application in such a way where it could easily be expanded to support other photo sharing services and possibly other photo cataloging apps (though this is much less of a priority).
1.) Start PSESync (this was just an initial name idea. If anybody has any name suggestions I would love to hear them).
2.) Choose a catalog to work with (file dialog, drop-down, etc).
3.) Choose a service to sync your catalog with (this would initially only be Flickr but could be branched out to another service or even a simple XML output).
5.) Enter in needed parameters for the service (in the case of Flickr the username and password of the account your using)
4.) Press the "Analyze" button.
5.) PSESync will first check to see if your catalog has ever been synced with the selected service before. If not it will create a new table in the catalog database to contain the sync information.
6.) PSESync will then sync your images (including captions and tag information) and collections with the service. No changes will be made to the images at sync time, only the data that PSE keeps (captions, tags, etc). I may include automatic resizing of images when a new image is uploaded but this would probably come after the initial release.
By syncing I mean any information that is newer in the catalog then they are in the service will overwrite data in the service and any information that is newer in the service will overwrite the data in the catalog. The details of how this process would work are still being worked out.
I'm hoping that in the next couple of days I can get the basics of PSESync scoped and also get create the project on Sourceforge (http://www.sourceforge.net) to track feature requests, bugs, etc. I'll post that information when it's available but for the time being if anybody has any suggestions I'm all ears.

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I think it is quite safe to eliminate LR as a source of the problem. It doesn't do anything else but submit an upload request to the Flickr API.
Have you tried to export the same image to say a location on the harddrive?
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Are captions and tags in backup when reloading after a computer crash?

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Question in a quick and detailed version:
(quick version: )
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(detailed version:)
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Cons: While my flickr photos are now geotagged on the web site, my photos in iPhoto remain locationless.
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Mike G.:
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Greg,
You’ve clearly used Friedl’s plugin so you must be pretty familiar with the process and concepts, so I’m not sure exactly what you are asking.     So here are a few more random thoughts….
I’m assuming you can setup an Adobe Flickr publishing service and authorise it OK, it’s a similar process to Friedl’s.
Once done you can right click the publish service and either “Create Photo Set …” or “Create Smart Photo Set …”.     These work the same way as Collections and Smart Collections but the contents of these sets are sent up to Flickr as a set with the same name as the Photo Set or Smart Photo Set in Lightroom.    I seem to recall one of the things I found less obvious with Friedl’s is that the name of the Collection shown in the Lightroom Published Services tree was not necessarily the same as that at the Flickr end.   It is specified independently – I think for me, although minor, it is unnecessary complexity.
Once a publish set has been setup and contains photos you simply just need to press the publish button. On Friedl’s I recall that it is slightly more complex to setup because you have to create the set at Flickr first using Friedl’s dialog, do a refresh of the dialog and then you can publish.    For me, although minor, it is unnecessary complexity.
Smart Photosets v’s PhotoSet….
Everyone has their own workflow, but one of the things I wanted to achieve was subdivision of my published photos into different published sets based on keywords.    I also wanted it to be very obvious when browsing my library what I have published.    To do this I have created a hierarchical keyword structure and adopted the principle that a photo must be labelled purple in order to get published.
So my Smart Collection “Wildlife” within my Flickr Publish service would say something like … include anything which contains the keyword Wildlife and is Labelled purple.     For me my Wildlife keyword is hierarchically decomposed into Bird … Raptor … and so on down i.e. a keyword tree.
I use Blue labelling to control things going into my Private published sets – higher quality stuff I want slightly more secure or friends and family stuff.    The other label colours I use during development.
Of course Friedl’s plugin can do all this too… and if you are the kind of person that wants to indiscriminately blast your published content into a variety of public Flickr groups then this is a major additional capability of Friedl’s.     I do put into other groups occasionally, but this “send everything” approach was not for me.
In summary – for me the Adobe Service does enough and is simpler to drive… for someone new to it I would suggest experimenting with the simpler out of the box Adobe service and then move to Friedl when they understand it and know they need more.
I have probably just said a load of stuff you already know, I apologise if this is the case.
Alan.
PS – If new to Smart Collections or Smart Photo sets then watch out for the silly design of the dialog box to define them … to enable more advance logic in the definition dialog box you need to hold down the ALT key (on a PC – not sure about Mac).    Very poor UI design considering the user interface is not real estate challenged here - IMHO
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