Temperature controllers

any recommendations on temp cont. out there?
also , as far as price which is cheaper...serial or gpib control ?
i do not need fast response...it will be used in a high temp test
environment with soaks at least 20 minutes
thanks
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>any recommendations on temp cont. out there?
>also , as far as price which is cheaper...serial or gpib control ?
>i do not need fast response...it will be used in a high temp test
>environment with soaks at least 20 minutes
>thanks
National Instruments makes several PID controllers. I have one that is no
longer offered (P/N 320563-01), but I haven't gotten it tuned up yet.
Harry
"Little Joe for the Big Heisman, '99"

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