Unhappy liquid mix

howdy.
I'm back on a project I did over a month ago. Now for some reason there's no sound unless I bypass the Liquid Mix instance on the main out. If I double click on it, Liquid Mix crashes. But it's working fine on any individual channels, stereo or mono. Even more confusingly, a couple of files have opened with no problems at all.
I'm about to try my test drive (running 10.4.10), and failing that reinstall Liquid Mix, but I was wondering if anyone else has had this problem?
I'm running it off the same bus as the 828, but it was fine before. I have upgraded to Liquid Mix v.2, but I can't remember if it was before or after the end of this project.
Many thanks.

Having it run on the same bus as any other Firewire device is really more attributable to luck than anything else. Liquid Mix is a Firewire hungry device, and the new features within LM2 require a bit more bandwidth.
What you need is to run your LM off of a separate Firewire card.
jord

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B

I was testing it for a few days and it worked REALLY well for me. Considering I do have mLan Audio/Midi network which uses firewire I was expecteing only crashes but than was quite impressed-no crash at all! I made myself a few quick comparsions of Avalon vt747 comp/EQ and some Focusrite stuff I own and it´s LiquidMix emulations and -ofcourse - the emulations weren´t exactly the same , in case of vt747sp EQ low shelf the difference was actually "hearable" and I liked the sound comming from hardware much more - but still I´d buy it - it does things pretty damned good - and I never expect plugins to be EXACTLY what hardware is. I am only waiting for apple to sort their OS firewire driver (as my mLan devices audio streaming rely on this driver which is buggy now), and after that I´d probably buy it.
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Day One
I am pulling my hair out. I've been tying to get the Liquid Mix working for over 4 hours now. I can't even get logic to recognize it at boot up. Doesnt see the AU plugins. Garage Band shows it, but give me the beach ball of death when I try to select it. I get LM-runtime v0.3.1 on the LCD of the controller and nothing else. I've downloaded and installed updates from Focusrite.
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Liquid Mix Application:
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Liquid Mix Emulations:
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Liquid Mix Snapshots:
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44
88
192
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I did not hear Duende yet but it is totally different animal-as it is not emulation of Analogue stuff but as far as I know it uses the algorythms from some SSL digital console. Liquid mix emulates mostly analog devices , though I remember it probably does have some Weiss digital stuff too (not sure - and don´t say to Bob Katz that you have "liquid Weiss" :)))
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When I was looking at my computer I wanted to be able to record music through a Firewire interface and to an external Firewire drive, and didn't think that using the same Firewire bus would be stable enough for that. So what I needed was an expansion port, the ExpressCard/34. And without that port, and without Firewire, I think the Macbooks are just too limited.
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